KIRKWOOD, Mo Gunman Opens Fire at City Council Meeting; Several Reported Dead - The Orange Mane

TDmvp · 02-07-2008, 09:54 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329767,00.html

Report: Gunman Kills 2 Officers, Shoots Mayor at Meeting in St. Louis Suburb

Spider · 02-07-2008, 09:56 PM

whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

Arkansas Bronco · 02-07-2008, 10:00 PM

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whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

Meck take notes. Just kidding and best of luck to you.

Meck77 · 02-07-2008, 10:02 PM

Nah I'm hammering city council members with facts. They mine as well be bullets the way they look away and run for cover though.

Sad situation in St louis.

TDmvp · 02-07-2008, 10:08 PM

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Nah I'm hammering city council members with facts. They mine as well be bullets the way they look away and run for cover though.

Sad situation in St louis.

get em Meckman ...cuz what they are trying to do to you and other is just the start ....

Spider · 02-07-2008, 10:11 PM

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get em Meckman ...cuz what they are trying to do to you and other is just the start ....

aint that the truth . hell they are even pulling that **** up here in Casper Wyoming of all places ...... miles and miles of nothing but parie land , and they want to **** the people out of their property right here in town

TexanBob · 02-07-2008, 10:18 PM

My cousins used to live in Kirkwood, MO. It really is a very tame sort of community...at least until tonight.

I wonder if City Hall was one of those "gun-free zones"?

TDmvp · 02-07-2008, 10:25 PM

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My cousins used to live in Kirkwood, MO. It really is a very tame sort of community...at least until tonight.

I wonder if City Hall was one of those "gun-free zones"?

gun free for anyone who could stop someone who breaks the gun free law ... after seeing the story of the lady at the bank that was permitted but didn't bring it into the bank cuz of the gun free law , and someone held up the bank killing her parents ... while her gun was in her car ... seems fair , take away the one thing that could stop this ... a fair person with a gun ...

Florida_Bronco · 02-07-2008, 10:42 PM

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gun free for anyone who could stop someone who breaks the gun free law ... after seeing the story of the lady at the bank that was permitted but didn't bring it into the bank cuz of the gun free law , and someone held up the bank killing her parents ... while her gun was in her car ... seems fair , take away the one thing that could stop this ... a fair person with a gun ...

Exactly. I don't want to use this sad situation to get up on my soapbox, but if history has proven anything it's that "gun free zones" don't stop anything.

Spider · 02-07-2008, 10:54 PM

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gun free for anyone who could stop someone who breaks the gun free law ... after seeing the story of the lady at the bank that was permitted but didn't bring it into the bank cuz of the gun free law , and someone held up the bank killing her parents ... while her gun was in her car ... seems fair , take away the one thing that could stop this ... a fair person with a gun ...

are you sure she could have stopped it ? you can guarantee she doesnt miss and hit an innocent person increasing the death toll ?

TDmvp · 02-07-2008, 10:58 PM

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are you sure she could have stopped it ? you can guarantee she doesnt miss and hit an innocent person increasing the death toll ?

o come on ... i know your a lefty but dont start ... i still love you tho spider ... and i know , you would hit it ... "suzanna hupp" :O) ...

Suzanna Hupp Suzanna Gratia Hupp (born 1959) is a former Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives, who represented traditionally Democratic District 54 (Bell, Burnet, and Lampasas counties) for ten years from 1997-2007. Hupp is recognized as a leading advocate for the Second Amendment and an individual's right to carry a concealed weapon. She was elected to her first term in 1996 but did not seek a sixth two-year term in 2006.

, 1991, Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's in Killeen. She had left her handgun in her car to comply with Texas state law at the time which forbade carrying a concealed weapon. When George Hennard drove his truck into the cafeteria and opened fire on the patrons, Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her weapon, but it was in her vehicle. Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush Hennard and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Instead she watched as Hennard killed her parents and twenty-one other persons. He also wounded some twenty others. As a survivor of the Luby's massacre, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws. She said that had there been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant.

next question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

Florida_Bronco · 02-07-2008, 11:03 PM

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are you sure she could have stopped it ? you can guarantee she doesnt miss and hit an innocent person increasing the death toll ?

You raise a good point spider, and when it comes right down to it, it's basically a rhetorical question. However, I can say this...in all of my research into firearms I have never heard of a case where a citzen who was legally carrying a firearm struck another citzen rather than the armed criminal. That's not to say it hasn't happened, but it's minimal at best and the chances of it happening are very small.

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:05 PM

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o come on ... i know your a lefty but dont start ... i still love you tho spider ... and i know , you would hit it ... "suzanna hupp" :O) ...

Yeah I would hit it

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Suzanna Hupp Suzanna Gratia Hupp (born 1959) is a former Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives, who represented traditionally Democratic District 54 (Bell, Burnet, and Lampasas counties) for ten years from 1997-2007. Hupp is recognized as a leading advocate for the Second Amendment and an individual's right to carry a concealed weapon. She was elected to her first term in 1996 but did not seek a sixth two-year term in 2006.

, 1991, Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's in Killeen. She had left her handgun in her car to comply with Texas state law at the time which forbade carrying a concealed weapon. When George Hennard drove his truck into the cafeteria and opened fire on the patrons, Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her weapon, but it was in her vehicle. Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush Hennard and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Instead she watched as Hennard killed her parents and twenty-one other persons. He also wounded some twenty others. As a survivor of the Luby's massacre, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws. She said that had there been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant.

next question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

I know , but I have seen with My own eyes ( watching my dad get shot , then my uncle John, then the nieghbors on both sides of us in Denver get into a shoot out ) people while they have good intentions tend to do more harm then good with firearms in a public place ..... dont care if people carry guns , I just dont want the John Wyane , Rambo , Charles Bronson attitude with it .... seing people shot isnt something I care to see again ....but I am speaking from personal expierence

Florida_Bronco · 02-07-2008, 11:07 PM

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Yeah I would hit it

I know , but I have seen with My own eyes ( watching my dad get shot , then my uncle John, then the nieghbors on both sides of us in Denver get into a shoot out ) people while they have good intentions tend to do more harm then good with firearms in a public place ..... dont care if people carry guns , I just dont want the John Wyane , Rambo , Charles Bronson attitude with it .... seing people shot isnt something I care to see again ....but I am speaking from personal expierence

Agree 100%.

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:09 PM

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Agree 100%.

it was bound to happen soon or later

Florida_Bronco · 02-07-2008, 11:11 PM

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it was bound to happen soon or later

You're my buddy, even if we do butt heads on political issues.

TDmvp · 02-07-2008, 11:11 PM

where the hell do you live spider .... the gaza strip

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:12 PM

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You're my buddy, even if we do butt heads on political issues.

well wait untill the Democrats take charge , 99.9% chance Iwill bash the hell out of em also

Florida_Bronco · 02-07-2008, 11:14 PM

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well wait untill the Democrats take charge , 99.9% chance Iwill bash the hell out of em also

I think 99.9% of politcians suck in general.

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:16 PM

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where the hell do you live spider .... the gaza strip

No but you might know these places . 1974 6 th and Federal , Jolly Rodgers bar , my dad was shot in a robery attempt ......
1977 19 th street exit and I 25 , traffic altercation , me and my cousins were in the car , Uncle John gets into a fight , the guy fires 6 rounds hitting John 4 times , one bullet struck the roof of the car and went who only knows were , the other struck the trunk of a 65 ford galaxy hittng the spare tire ...
1981 6th and Bannok , Nieghbor to the south gets tired of the nieghbors dog to the north ****ting in his yard , a fight breaks out , they come back out with guns open fire , one was hit in the stomache , the other the leg ......lot of blood

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:21 PM

Then I pulled up to a Gas O Mat in brighton Colo back in 84 , just mintues after a guy shot another guy over some prepaid gas . but i didnt witness that one , but there was still plenty of blood arond the pumps

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:29 PM

why did this thread get moved ?

TDmvp · 02-07-2008, 11:30 PM

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why did this thread get moved ?

don't ask questions .... or you get banned cused at and never told why or who ... and im still waiting ....

Spider · 02-07-2008, 11:33 PM

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don't ask questions .... or you get banned cused at and never told why or who ... and im still waiting ....

well it was a good topic , very civil debate .......for the record Iam not anti gun , just fully automatic weapons ......

Los Broncos · 02-07-2008, 11:44 PM

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whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

When i first read it i thought it might of been in Denver, whew....

02-07-2008, 09:54 PM	#1
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,053	KIRKWOOD, Mo Gunman Opens Fire at City Council Meeting; Several Reported Dead http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329767,00.html Report: Gunman Kills 2 Officers, Shoots Mayor at Meeting in St. Louis Suburb

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02-07-2008, 09:56 PM	#2
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

02-07-2008, 10:02 PM	#4
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,312	Nah I'm hammering city council members with facts. They mine as well be bullets the way they look away and run for cover though. Sad situation in St louis.

02-07-2008, 10:18 PM	#7
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	My cousins used to live in Kirkwood, MO. It really is a very tame sort of community...at least until tonight. I wonder if City Hall was one of those "gun-free zones"?

02-07-2008, 11:11 PM	#17
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,053	where the hell do you live spider .... the gaza strip

02-07-2008, 11:21 PM	#21
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Then I pulled up to a Gas O Mat in brighton Colo back in 84 , just mintues after a guy shot another guy over some prepaid gas . but i didnt witness that one , but there was still plenty of blood arond the pumps

02-07-2008, 11:29 PM	#22
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	why did this thread get moved ?