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Tastee Freeze
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According to Rasmussen.
Democrats 38.7% Republicans 33.1% A net advantage of 5.6% Also meaning 28.2 percent are Independents http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...artisan_trends So lets pretend. All the Democrats go out and vote for Obama or Hillary. All the Republicans go out to vote against either of them. That means over 60% of the Independents would have to vote Republican to keep either Obama or Hillary out of the White House. You know that isn't going to happen for Obama, and I doubt there are 60% of the Independents that hate Hillary that much either. Discuss amongst yourselves. |
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Livin' the dream!
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Interesting, probably will need a higher number of Independents for McCain because I KNOW there will be a high number of republican people sitting home.
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71.8% of Americans are suckers.
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Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla!
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What a coincidence that W*GS should say that.
That's pretty close to the percentage of Americans who don't approve of his boy Dubya. |
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Democrats and Republicans, it you add the numbers up. Doesn't he sort of pride himself on being a Libertarian? I used the 28.2% number for Independents as more or less a generic number for people who weren't Democrats or Republicans - the Libertarians, the Greens, Communists, Reform party, Constitution party, Natural Law Party, and what the hell ever else someone is, as well as people who actually don't belong to any party. |
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Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla!
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I guess the point I was getting at is that in November 2004
the ratio was 38.6 Democrats to 37.1 Republicans, with 24.3 as Independents. So with only a 1.5 point difference, the Independents mattered more. Only 53% of the Independents had to vote Republican to give Bush the White House. So the Democrats have to screw up big time to lose the 2008 election. The knock against Hillary is she would rally the conservative base. But there aren't enough Republicans to matter this time around and assuming that things don't get so bitter that she can't keep all the Democrats, she only has to win over 40% of the Independents and she is POTUS. |
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Only an idiot like you can't figure out that 38.7 + 33.1 = 78.1.
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The wildcard is that we don't know how many people will actually vote. Getting all the people in that Rasmussen poll to the voting booth in November could prove problematic. On paper, your theory doesn't look good for the Republicans. However, on paper, Ron Paul should be running away with the nomination with all the internet support he has...
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Now get to the part where 38% equals a majority of Americans.
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Not some internet geek's fantasy poll where every Paulista rushes in to stuff the ballot box for Ron Paul. Now for the major candidates the polling firms are screwing the pooch big time. But for Ron Paul most have been fairly accurate. Take the Super Tuesday projected and actuals for Ron Paul from the Real Clear Politics averages for state primaries. State - projected - actual Alabama 5.3 - 2.7 Arizona 4.0 - 4.2 California 4.5 - 4.2 Connecticut 4.0 - 4.0 Georgia 4.5 - 2.9 Illinois 7.3 - 5.0 Massachusetts 2.7 - 2.7 Missouri 4.0 - 4.5 New Jersey 4.5 - 4.8 New York 4.0 - 6.4 Tennessee 6.0 - 5.6 Nowhere in any primary was Ron Paul predicted to be in double digits and nowhere in any primary states did Ron Paul break double digits. *Ron Paul did pull double digits in some caucuses, but a caucus is much harder to poll so most polling organizations skipped them. And caucuses tend to attract more of the fanatics, so they don't really reflect the mood of the average voter who will vote in a general election. Even primaries are somewhat biased because the voters in a primary are more dedicated. |
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Another bad sign for Republicans.
Democrats Hugely Outvoting GOP After Super Tuesday, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) has every right to declare himself the Republican presidential frontrunner, but he has miles to go in getting himself and his party in shape to face his Democratic opponent. One measure of his task is that more than 14.6 million Democrats went to the polls on Tuesday and only 9 million Republicans -- indicating a vast enthusiasm gap between the parties. McCain polls reasonably well against both Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.), but they have a sagging economy and a massive national desire for change going for them in addition to the energetic desire among Democrats to get the White House back. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ocrats_hu.html |
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Too Old Dems will thank McCain for siding with them on key issues, further alienating the base. Will Goldwater'd McCain by overplaying the 100 years in Iraq comment among other comments about the situation. McCain is not presidential. A whole host of ideas the Dems can destroy McCain on... |
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Your right McCain does not look presidential.
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LMFAO!
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Presidents don't create jobs.
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