Big Pharm is killing you...

[baja]

http://downloads.truthpublishing.com...rRayStrand.pdf

[Meck77]

Just read the first few pages but that is enough for me to agree. My old man stop taking prescription drugs when he was a very sick man in his 50's. He was told by several doctors he wouldn't see 60. Well he he's done things his way without them and he's now 83. His kitchen is basically a fruit farm.

[alkemical]

http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2008/01...ys-everything/

“Martin Seligman, former president of the American Psychological Association on medication:

“First, it’s important to know that in general there are two kinds of medications. There are palliatives, cosmetics like quinine for malaria, which suppress the symptoms for as long as you take them; when you stop taking quinine, the malaria returns at full force. Then there are curative drugs, like antibiotics for bacterial infection. When you stop taking those the bacteria are dead and don’t recur. The dirty little secret of biological psychiatry is that every single drug in the psychopharmacopia is palliative. That is, all of them are symptom suppressors, and when you stop taking them you’re back at square one.“

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2008/01...ys-everything/

“Martin Seligman, former president of the American Psychological Association on medication:

“First, it’s important to know that in general there are two kinds of medications. There are palliatives, cosmetics like quinine for malaria, which suppress the symptoms for as long as you take them; when you stop taking quinine, the malaria returns at full force. Then there are curative drugs, like antibiotics for bacterial infection. When you stop taking those the bacteria are dead and don’t recur. The dirty little secret of biological psychiatry is that every single drug in the psychopharmacopia is palliative. That is, all of them are symptom suppressors, and when you stop taking them you’re back at square one.“

Isn't that sort of the same deal with insulin though? You body is lacking
in some hormone and so it is introduced from an external source.
Someone stops taking insulin they die. Insulin never cured anyone
of diabetes either.
In this case it is a chemical the brain isn't producing in the needed
brain chemicals in the right amount. So in this case when someone
stops taking their meds and they go whacky again because they
aren't getting this brain chemical in the right amount anymore.
How is this different than injecting insulin?

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Isn't that sort of the same deal with insulin though? You body is lacking
in some hormone and so it is introduced from an external source.
Someone stops taking insulin they die. Insulin never cured anyone
of diabetes either.
In this case it is a chemical the brain isn't producing in the needed
brain chemicals in the right amount. So in this case when someone
stops taking their meds and they go whacky again because they
aren't getting this brain chemical in the right amount anymore.
How is this different than injecting insulin?

Totally depends on the condition it's prescribed for.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Isn't that sort of the same deal with insulin though? You body is lacking
in some hormone and so it is introduced from an external source.
Someone stops taking insulin they die. Insulin never cured anyone
of diabetes either.
In this case it is a chemical the brain isn't producing in the needed
brain chemicals in the right amount. So in this case when someone
stops taking their meds and they go whacky again because they
aren't getting this brain chemical in the right amount anymore.
How is this different than injecting insulin?

Most diabetes is curable with simple dietary changes.

[Hotrod]

My father controls his diabetes with diet and exercise.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

My father controls his diabetes with diet and exercise.

thats how I control mine

[baja]

Here is a great web site on this topic.

http://www.naturalnews.com/021789.html

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by baja

Most diabetes is curable with simple dietary changes.

Doesn't that depend on what type of diabetes a person has?
Like type 1 or type 2.

[baja]

Yes it does Type II is the most common by far and it is totally curable with diet changes and exercise.

[snowspot66]

It's true. Most people don't know it. Doctors may or may not mention it. Patients almost always want the injections. It's "easier".

[baja]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

It's true. Most people don't know it. Doctors may or may not mention it. Patients almost always want the injections. It's "easier".

Another important truth most people do not know is almost every case of degenerative disease is preventable / curable with diet exercise and supplementation / herbs including cancer and heart disease the No ! and No. 2 killers in America.

[baja]

Dr. Strand: That’s true, you know. I always use one thing that really points out the fact, which is that,
once the FDA approves the medication or a drug for use by the general public, they know less than half of
the serious adverse drug reactions when that drug is released. It is just impossible to know them all. Well,
they find out, and the next question should be, "How do they find out the others?" Well, it's owing to you,
the public, or what I call in my book, “the great clinical trial.” It is you who finds out.
But it is a voluntary reporting system. Less than one percent of these adverse drug reactions are really
reported back to the FDA, because doctors and hospitals are not required to report them back. It is
voluntary. Then, it is reported to a committee in the FDA that has no authority. Once enough of these red
flags come in on a drug, then they'll send it back to the original committee that approved the drug in the
first place. I do not feel that they have an unbiased representation when they look at this. That’s why over
99 percent of the time all that happens is a change to the drug label or what we call a package insert. This
usually goes unnoticed even if they send out a "dear doctor" letter warning doctors about these drugs,
and that they better be careful here. There have been studies that show doctors don’t pay much attention
to that. So it’s not a very good system.

[TheDave]

There is a lot more to this than what is being talked about here...

Are we over medicating ourselves... yes

Do we rely too much on taking a pill to quite the symptoms without properly investigating the cause... yes

Are the negative interactions of drugs under-reported... yes (to a degree)


On the other hand modern chemistry and western medicine has helped to add 2 years of average lifespan every decade since the 1950's. We now live about a decade longer than we did just 50 years ago. People need to get more involved in their health and well being, beyond going in for an annual check up and occasionally asking your Dr. if cialis is right for you. I agree there should be a mandatory system in which side effects and drug interactions are monitored, but if you attempt to with hold treatments until all possible interactions are known, beneficial drugs will be delayed from the market for decades.

What I'm trying to say here is that there are pros and cons to this argument. Big pharma isn't all evil. They are an easy target, partially because of their business practices. This is an industry that needs to be heavily regulated in some areas but also highly subsidized and supported in others... it is an interesting topic.


One other thing.... ALL drug commercials should be banned from TV. we managed to take cigarette ads off in the 1970's we should be able to do the same thing now.

[Spider]

Speaking of Meds , I need to see thedoctor about my restless leg syndrom , and I need to refill my Viagra prespition

[baja]

Have you ever had an erection last for more than 4 hours

and if so does that lead to restless leg syndrome?

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by Spider

Speaking of Meds , I need to see thedoctor about my restless leg syndrom , and I need to refill my Viagra prespition

Is it just me or does "Restless leg syndrome" seem like it could be easily cured by taking 1 pill of "Get off your ass and do something"

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by baja

Have you ever had an erection last for more than 4 hours

Doesn't everyones?

[baja]

well you could urethane it in full erection and in theory it would last forever.

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by TheDave

Is it just me or does "Restless leg syndrome" seem like it could be easily cured by taking 1 pill of "Get off your ass and do something"

RLS is something my wife suffers from and there aint no get off your ass cure...it is a real problem for her and she exercises regularly. She has to!

She rarely has more than one or two nights in a week where she can sleep through the night....usually wakes up about 2-3AM and goes and rides her exercise bike for anywhere from 1/2 to 1 hour before her legs stop twitching and allow her to get to sleep again. Some nights she gets less than 1-2 hours of sleep. Hot baths, showers and exercise (MOVING the legs) are the only things that give her any relief. Usually she can't sit for more than an hour or so without moving (movies and airplane rides are problematic).
Her mother had the same thing and it gets progressively worse as she got /gets older.

My wife absolutley refuses to use drugs for now....so she puts up with the lousy sleep patterns and struggles through. The side effects of the drugs are more than she cares to risk, put up with. Eventually she might have to, because she doesn't get enough rest as of now.

One benefit is that due to all the bike riding and treadmill work she has fabulous looking legs for 55....even if they drive her crazy at night.

Exercise doesn't cure it...just relieves the symptoms for a while.

I have no doubt there may be some who could benefit, but true RLS sufferers
have a real problem.

[baja]

Found this Scott,

http://www.restlesslegscured.com/mir...FRIUagod8SY4eQ

don't know anything about it though.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

RLS is something my wife suffers from and there aint no get off your ass cure...it is a real problem for her and she exercises regularly. She has to!

She rarely has more than one or two nights in a week where she can sleep through the night....usually wakes up about 2-3AM and goes and rides her exercise bike for anywhere from 1/2 to 1 hour before her legs stop twitching and allow her to get to sleep again. Some nights she gets less than 1-2 hours of sleep. Hot baths, showers and exercise (MOVING the legs) are the only things that give her any relief. Usually she can't sit for more than an hour or so without moving (movies and airplane rides are problematic).
Her mother had the same thing and it gets progressively worse as she got /gets older.

My wife absolutley refuses to use drugs for now....so she puts up with the lousy sleep patterns and struggles through. The side effects of the drugs are more than she cares to risk, put up with. Eventually she might have to, because she doesn't get enough rest as of now.

One benefit is that due to all the bike riding and treadmill work she has fabulous looking legs for 55....even if they drive her crazy at night.

Exercise doesn't cure it...just relieves the symptoms for a while.

I have no doubt there may be some who could benefit, but true RLS sufferers
have a real problem.

I should of known someone was going to have a family member with a serious case of said disease... I apologize.

[baja]

Ya you thoughtless prick...

You probably lied about the 4 hour erection too.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by baja

Have you ever had an erection last for more than 4 hours

and if so does that lead to restless leg syndrome?

well kinda .... they got a pill , if your hard on last more then 4 hours, they give you a pill that makes where you cant move , then they sit you in front of a TV and you have ot watch Rosie and Ellen look alikes do some dirty dancin , then love making .......
by the time the pill wears off , your hard on is gone, and you cant get your legs to move fast enough to get away