Ahnold Will Endorse McCain

[Rohirrim]

Being reported by Newsweek and MSNBC. I don't whether this helps or hurts McCain. Many in the GOP consider Ahnold a renegade.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Many in the GOP consider Ahnold a renegade.

Those would be the same "many" who hoped the voters only remembered Arnie from "Commando" and "The Terminator."

[spdirty]

surprise surprise...a liberal endorsing a liberal.

[Bronco Bob]

Good grief. I just got through watching the GOP debate on CNN
and McCain was terrible. All he was doing the whole time is trying
to twist Romney's statements. When McCain was asked what
he would do about the economy, his whole answer boiled down
to "I was a POW, so vote for me."

I would rate the debate in order of best performance as

1) Huckabee
2) Ron Paul
3) Romney
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.
.
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97) McCain

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[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Good grief. I just got through watching the GOP debate on CNN
and McCain was terrible. All he was doing the whole time is trying
to twist Romney's statements. When McCain was asked what
he would do about the economy, his whole answer boiled down
to "I was a POW, so vote for me."

I would rate the debate in order of best performance as

1) Huckabee
2) Ron Paul
3) Romney
.
.
.
.
97) McCain

.

Someone is clearly reacting to the following:

McCain now leads Clinton 48% to 40%

[24champ]

Originally Posted by spdirty

surprise surprise...a liberal endorsing a liberal.

Yeap, a republican that caves in to liberals endorsing another repub that caves into liberals. Not surprised.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Someone is clearly reacting to the following:

McCain now leads Clinton 48% to 40%

Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll. Jan. 18-22, 2008.

John McCain 42%
Hillary Clinton 46%

Yes, because we all know how accurate the polls are.
Maybe you could have a conversation with Rudy Giuliani
about polls.


No, I was reacting to McCain giving a lousy debate performance.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Someone is clearly reacting to the following:

McCain now leads Clinton 48% to 40%

McCain will get Goldwater'd and Dole'd by Clinton Inc...

By the way Polls showed 6 months ago Rudy was going to sweep everyone. The polls also showed the same in 1980 when Reagan was the nominee where apparently the Polls showed Carter up on Reagan early on in the General. My point is what the polls show now about what people think about who they like in November are essentially worthless.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by 24champbailey

McCain will get Goldwater'd and Dole'd by Clinton Inc...

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Hahah....ok, dude....yeah, the one guy on our side that can actually get middle of the road votes is going to get blown out by a lady who has consistently high negatives (40s).

Let's see whether you really believe what you are saying or not.....Dole lost by about 8 and Goldwater lost by 23, the average of the two is about 15.5 percent. If Senator Clinton wins the nomination and Senator McCain wins the nomination and Senator Clinton defeats him by at least 15.5 percentage points (in terms of actual votes), I'll carry a pro-LA team sig of your choice for a month. If she doesn't, you will have to carry an anti-LA team/LA fan sig of my choice in your sig for a month.


Deal?

[Bronco Bob]

Maybe McCain "I was a POW, vote for me" shtick will win him the general election. It's way too early to predict.

I just felt he gave a lousy debate performance.

If we are forced to have a Republican president, I'd a lot sooner
have someone like Huckabee, or Ron Paul, or even Romney.
And least they could address the issues and didn't have to
resort to lying about each other's positions and records
to score cheap points.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Hahah....ok, dude....yeah, the one guy on our side that can actually get middle of the road votes is going to get blown out by a lady who has consistently high negatives (40s).

Let's see whether you really believe what you are saying or not.....Dole lost by about 8 and Goldwater lost by 23, the average of the two is about 15.5 percent. If Senator Clinton wins the nomination and Senator McCain wins the nomination and Senator Clinton defeats him by at least 15.5 percentage points (in terms of actual votes), I'll carry a pro-LA team sig of your choice for a month. If she doesn't, you will have to carry an anti-LA team/LA fan sig of my choice in your sig for a month.


Deal?

she will win by at least 5 points...7 if Ron Paul runs as an indy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Maybe McCain "I was a POW, vote for me" shtick will win him the general election. It's way too early to predict.

Memo to Hillary:

Just keep showing this photo every hour on the hour:



This should guarantee your victory.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Hahah....ok, dude....yeah, the one guy on our side that can actually get middle of the road votes is going to get blown out by a lady who has consistently high negatives (40s).

Essentially...yes.

Let's see whether you really believe what you are saying or not.....Dole lost by about 8 and Goldwater lost by 23, the average of the two is about 15.5 percent. If Senator Clinton wins the nomination and Senator McCain wins the nomination and Senator Clinton defeats him by at least 15.5 percentage points (in terms of actual votes), I'll carry a pro-LA team sig of your choice for a month. If she doesn't, you will have to carry an anti-LA team/LA fan sig of my choice in your sig for a month.


Deal?

I don't know about the numbers of Hillary beating McCain by 15% or so. I'd say that would happen if Obama is nominated. If you want to bet, I would bet my sig for a month that McCain loses to either potential nominee by at least 5-8%. I'd like to hold off on that bet since we don't know whether Ron Paul or possibly Bloomberg joins the fray.

[Rohirrim]

Judging purely by the numbers, I'd say the GOP has little chance of holding on to the WH. The Dems are coming out to vote in far greater numbers. Regardless of who they select, the Repugs candidate is George W. Bush.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Judging purely by the numbers, I'd say the GOP has little chance of holding on to the WH. The Dems are coming out to vote in far greater numbers. Regardless of who they select, the Repugs candidate is George W. Bush.

They might need a little help from their friends again...

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Judging purely by the numbers, I'd say the GOP has little chance of holding on to the WH. The Dems are coming out to vote in far greater numbers. Regardless of who they select, the Repugs candidate is George W. Bush.

In the abstract, sure, the Dems have the advantage. There is great unhappiness with the current administration, the war, the economic situation, a large majority think the country is going "in the wrong direction" etc. But this isn't a race that operates in the abstract. There are some counterbalancing influences here, especially in a Clinton-McCain race. You've got a Republican candidate that can make serious inroads with the crucial center, independents generally etc. There is also the Clinton problem...specifically the negatives problem, the people that are just generally repulsed by her etc. These are not insignificant things, especially the high negatives/percentage of likely voters who will not cast a ballot for Clinton regardless issue, that makes it alot easier for an opponent if they start out only 5-8% away from the prize. McCain also registers very highly in terms of trust, personal qualities etc. and people often find this factor to be significant in the overall analysis (for me personally, I don't really care about personal qualifies that much, but I'll still be voting for McCain anyway though, because I agree with his many of his stances etc. and despise Clinton). Do these items completely balance out the other elements discussed above that are firmly in the Dems favor? I don't know, but I think at the very least, it ensures a pretty competitive race.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

McCain also registers very highly in terms of trust, personal qualities etc. and people often find this factor to be significant in the overall analysis (for me personally, I don't really care about personal qualifies that much, but I'll still be voting for McCain anyway though, because I agree with his many of his stances etc. and despise Clinton).

Sadly people like you may well be why McCain may win. People don't seem
to care about who would be the more competent president. Who would be
more likely to solve the mess here in this country and over in Iraq. In that
regard Hillary wins hands down over McCain. (Obama too for that matter)
Instead, just like with Bush, they just want someone they could go have
a beer with.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Sadly people like you may well be why McCain may win. People don't seem to care about who would be the more competent president. Who would be more likely to solve the mess here in this country and over in Iraq. In thatregard Hillary wins hands down over McCain. (Obama too for that matter) Instead, just like with Bush, they just want someone they could go have a beer with.

Did you read my post carefully? Apparently not. I just said I'm NOT voting on the basis of personal qualities, I don't care about that and am on record before saying that those things are irrelevant to me, so I'm not sure why you are pinning on me this whole "sadly its people like you.....they just want someone they could have a beer with" (BTW, I HATE beer, its disgusting)...I'm voting for McCain because I agree with him on alot of issues (I consider myself a moderate Republican) and there are many things I dislike about your candidate and her history. The issue of competence and better handling of issues is a subjective one, you like to sit there and say "well she wins on that hands down" when that is simply your opinion, colored by your beliefs, values and preferred policy positions. You don't have a monopoly on wisdom. People reasonably disagree.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Did you read my post carefully? Apparently not. I just said I'm NOT voting on the basis of personal qualities, I don't care about that and am on record before saying that those things are irrelevant to me, so I'm not sure why you are pinning on me this whole "sadly its people like you.....they just want someone they could have a beer with" (BTW, I HATE beer, its disgusting)...

I had to stop reading right there...


...I am so disapointed in you.

[Spider]

I can kick Ahnolds ass ........

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

In the abstract, sure, the Dems have the advantage. There is great unhappiness with the current administration, the war, the economic situation, a large majority think the country is going "in the wrong direction" etc. But this isn't a race that operates in the abstract. There are some counterbalancing influences here, especially in a Clinton-McCain race. You've got a Republican candidate that can make serious inroads with the crucial center, independents generally etc. There is also the Clinton problem...specifically the negatives problem, the people that are just generally repulsed by her etc. These are not insignificant things, especially the high negatives/percentage of likely voters who will not cast a ballot for Clinton regardless issue, that makes it alot easier for an opponent if they start out only 5-8% away from the prize. McCain also registers very highly in terms of trust, personal qualities etc. and people often find this factor to be significant in the overall analysis (for me personally, I don't really care about personal qualifies that much, but I'll still be voting for McCain anyway though, because I agree with his many of his stances etc. and despise Clinton). Do these items completely balance out the other elements discussed above that are firmly in the Dems favor? I don't know, but I think at the very least, it ensures a pretty competitive race.

I think the key is not the general numbers but the party numbers. McCain is viewed favorably in the GOP by 66%. Billary is viewed favorably by the Dems at 80%. Given that the turnout is larger on the Dem side, those numbers aren't good for McCain. Of course, that's assuming Billary gets the nomination. Favorability ratings are all across the board for independents (with Obama doing the best) so its hard to predict where they will go when there are only two candidates. In fact, judging by the numbers, McCain might prefer that Billary wins the nomination.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I think the key is not the general numbers but the party numbers. McCain is viewed favorably in the GOP by 66%. Billary is viewed favorably by the Dems at 80%. Given that the turnout is larger on the Dem side, those numbers aren't good for McCain. Of course, that's assuming Billary gets the nomination. Favorability ratings are all across the board for independents (with Obama doing the best) so its hard to predict where they will go when there are only two candidates. In fact, judging by the numbers, McCain might prefer that Billary wins the nomination.

A lot of people make a big deal about Hillary's unfavorables. But they
ignore her favorables. While a lot of people don't like Hillary, in
most polls more people like her than dislike her.
In a recent ABC/Washington Post polls it was 58% favorable for
Hillary vs 40% unfavorable. 2% are undecided.
For John McCain it was 59% vs 30%, 11% undecided
So while 40% is a lot higher than 30% of the people that don't
like them, they are about equal with people who do like them.
All Hillary has to do is make the people that like both of them
like her more, and get those 11% undecided to like McCain less.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

A lot of people make a big deal about Hillary's unfavorables. But they
ignore her favorables. While a lot of people don't like Hillary, in
most polls more people like her than dislike her.
In a recent ABC/Washington Post polls it was 58% favorable for
Hillary vs 40% unfavorable. 2% are undecided.
For John McCain it was 59% vs 30%, 11% undecided
So while 40% is a lot higher than 30% of the people that don't
like them, they are about equal with people who do like them.
All Hillary has to do is make the people that like both of them
like her more, and get those 11% undecided to like McCain less.

Whats ironic is that in a McCain vs Hillary race, Rush, Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, and Coulter benefit the hell out of Hillary.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by spdirty

Whats ironic is that in a McCain vs Hillary race, Rush, Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, and Coulter benefit the hell out of Hillary.

Without Bill Clinton no one would have ever heard of Rush Limbaugh.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Without Bill Clinton no one would have ever heard of Rush Limbaugh.

Rush was a big hit before Clinton was even thought of on a national scale.