Rumor--cowboys are shopping Bobby Carpenter and Marcus Spears - The Orange Mane

broncofan7 · 01-22-2008, 02:28 PM

Any interest here? I was thinking about Carpenter adding some depth to our LB corp--he was a 1st round talent. I am not that enamored with Spears. Dallas is loaded at LB, with Bradie James, Akin Odyelle and Kevin burnett on the inside and on the outside Dallas has Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis and the rookie from purdue whose name escapes my mind. Carpenter was pretty good on special teams from what I recall from this past season as well. If Dallas is asking for a 4th, would we do it? I lwould be for it.....

TheReverend · 01-22-2008, 02:31 PM

I think Spears could handle a 1 technique...

TheDave · 01-22-2008, 02:34 PM

dangle Foxworth out there and see what happens...

HEAV · 01-22-2008, 02:37 PM

Javon? Glenn is done.

PRBronco · 01-22-2008, 02:51 PM

Oh nice, I always thought Carpenter would make a nice SAM, not worth a first rounder, but a surefire upgrade for us. Spears is no slouch either. Maybe they really want a small crappy linebacker and an(other) injury prone wide receiver who's an a-hole.

alkemical · 01-22-2008, 03:07 PM

nah, two 4th rounders should do it

Gcver2ver3 · 01-22-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by broncofan7

I was thinking about Carpenter adding some depth to our LB corp--he was a 1st round talent. I am not that enamored with Spears.

thats funny...i'm on the flip side...

not high on carpentor but spears intrigues me some....

ayjackson · 01-22-2008, 03:52 PM

I like Spears out of the two for our 4-3. He's 6'4" and 300 lbs and very stout against the run. If we could nab him for our 4th rounder, we'd be looking a lot better at DT. Throw in Corey Williams and we could forget about DT in the draft.

ayjackson · 01-22-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

dangle Foxworth out there and see what happens...

I think they'd be interested in upgrading Reeves in their nickel. I was thinking Foxworth for Spears earlier this month. I'm not sure if it is even up or not.

PRBronco · 01-22-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ayjackson

I like Spears out of the two for our 3-4. He's 6'4" and 300 lbs and very stout against the run. If we could nab him for our 4th rounder, we'd be looking a lot better at DT. Throw in Corey Williams and we could forget about DT in the draft.

Does anyone have that ascii facepalm picture? This calls for a facepalm.

Drek · 01-22-2008, 03:58 PM

I hope they both enjoy south beach, because thats where they're going.

Spears, Carpenter, and some package of picks will get Dallas up to #1 and land Jerry Jones his boy, Darren McFadden. If we're smart we'll get in on that. Send #12 and #42 for both their 1sts, and their 2nd. Maybe try to squeeze a 4th out of them too.

After getting a late 3rd for Foxworth we'd be looking at a good crop of picks. Use #22 to get an impact player, maybe flip #30 to move back or even potentially turn it into a mid/late 2nd this year and an '09 1st.

Beantown Bronco · 01-22-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

Spears, Carpenter, and some package of picks will get Dallas up to #1 and land Jerry Jones his boy, Darren McFadden. If we're smart we'll get in on that. Send #12 and #42 for both their 1sts, and their 2nd. Maybe try to squeeze a 4th out of them too.

If the Cowboys really want that #1 pick....or even a top 5 pick overall....there's no way they trade their first rounders and their 2nd rounder to Denver for #12 and #42. They'd lose serious "trade up" ammo there IMO.

BroncoBuff · 01-22-2008, 04:09 PM

We shouldda traded for Greg Ellis when I suggested it ... Summer 2006.

Gcver2ver3 · 01-22-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

We shouldda traded for Greg Ellis when I suggested it ... Summer 2006.

we would've wasted him at DE....

RhymesayersDU · 01-22-2008, 04:39 PM

Why would Dallas want McFadden? I mean, yeah, I know, he's this year's "Once a year" guy, but still, Barber is great.

Although if that's true, let's trade for Barber.

TheDave · 01-22-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Why would Dallas want McFadden? I mean, yeah, I know, he's this year's "Once a year" guy, but still, Barber is great.

Although if that's true, let's trade for Barber.

I'll bet the entire DMAC / Cowboys interest is a media creation... but that's just me.

Drek · 01-22-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

If the Cowboys really want that #1 pick....or even a top 5 pick overall....there's no way they trade their first rounders and their 2nd rounder to Denver for #12 and #42. They'd lose serious "trade up" ammo there IMO.

No team is going to drop from #1 all the way to #22.

Their two firsts and second for our 1st and 2nd is pretty even on points. If they then packaged both of those picks, their '09 first, and two of Carpenter, Spears, and Fasano I doubt Parcells would pass that up.

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Originally Posted by TheDave

I'll bet the entire DMAC / Cowboys interest is a media creation... but that's just me.

Jerry Jones is an Arkansas football alum. Barber and Jones are each either FAs this year or next. He loves to make the big splash and a 1st overall contract isn't going to give him pause.

This is one of those cases where the smoke is likely coming from a real fire.

Beantown Bronco · 01-22-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

No team is going to drop from #1 all the way to #22.

Their two firsts and second for our 1st and 2nd is pretty even on points. If they then packaged both of those picks, their '09 first, and two of Carpenter, Spears, and Fasano I doubt Parcells would pass that up.

gotcha...I wasn't sure you were including the 09 pick.

That's a hell of a lot to give up for one guy: two firsts this year, a first next year, a second this year, and two "quality" starters. And then you have to sign him. Yikes.

That one player better pan out if you are going to give up that much to get him.

Drek · 01-22-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

gotcha...I wasn't sure you were including the 09 pick.

That's a hell of a lot to give up for one guy: two firsts this year, a first next year, a second this year, and two "quality" starters. And then you have to sign him. Yikes.

That one player better pan out if you are going to give up that much to get him.

Carpenter and Fasano are only role players for the Cowboys. Spears looks movable since Ratliff did such a great job at NT in place of Ferguson. One of them could move out to end for next year.

Its a lot to give up, sure, but thats what it costs to get those marquee types of players. You put McFadden on the Cowboys with basically no other key losses and how many games do they lose in the NFC? They wouldn't be getting knocked out of the playoffs like they did this year, Romo being ineffective so they can't move the ball and the Giants controlling the clock running on them late. McFadden picks up the slack for when Romo doesn't show up and he keeps the other team's offense off the field late in games.

That One Guy · 01-22-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

gotcha...I wasn't sure you were including the 09 pick.

That's a hell of a lot to give up for one guy: two firsts this year, a first next year, a second this year, and two "quality" starters. And then you have to sign him. Yikes.

That one player better pan out if you are going to give up that much to get him.

I agree, too much to offer. If we were talking Cleveland Browns of the last 5 years, then maybe they trade the farm for someone they can build around even if it isn't the QB. Dallas had the inside track for the NFC SB representatives, they can't afford to dismantle things to get a player for a position that isn't necessarily in need. They plug a few things in and they could be much better next year; a RB wouldn't do that for em.

mattob14 · 01-22-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

I hope they both enjoy south beach, because thats where they're going.

Spears, Carpenter, and some package of picks will get Dallas up to #1 and land Jerry Jones his boy, Darren McFadden. If we're smart we'll get in on that. Send #12 and #42 for both their 1sts, and their 2nd. Maybe try to squeeze a 4th out of them too.

After getting a late 3rd for Foxworth we'd be looking at a good crop of picks. Use #22 to get an impact player, maybe flip #30 to move back or even potentially turn it into a mid/late 2nd this year and an '09 1st.

Exactly right, if Dallas and Miami are talking trade, we need to try to help facilitate a deal, similar to the Jets/Falcons trade a couple of years ago. In a deal like that, there will be a lot of moving parts and we could certainly get good value for our role. Miami and Dallas could both use a CB and it wouldn't surprise me to see Denver move Foxworth and #12 for #22 and #29, keeping our own 2nd. That'd give us 3 picks in the top 41, I believe. Who knows, we may even be able to squeeze an extra mid-rounder out of the deal.

PRBronco · 01-22-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mattob14

Exactly right, if Dallas and Miami are talking trade, we need to try to help facilitate a deal, similar to the Jets/Falcons trade a couple of years ago. In a deal like that, there will be a lot of moving parts and we could certainly get good value for our role. Miami and Dallas could both use a CB and it wouldn't surprise me to see Denver move Foxworth and #12 for #22 and #29, keeping our own 2nd. That'd give us 3 picks in the top 41, I believe. Who knows, we may even be able to squeeze an extra mid-rounder out of the deal.

Ahh, the old Shanny 3 way

Throw in Bobby Carpenter and I'm in!

Killericon · 01-22-2008, 06:54 PM

I'd love Carpenter, but Spears is a a pipe dream.

Drek · 01-22-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by killericon

I'd love Carpenter, but Spears is a a pipe dream.

You never know, Shanny is a master of the three way trade. Look what he managed to get for Lelie, we're still reaping rewards for that.

I don't really care for Spears on our team though. He was a prototypical 3-4 DE coming out, he played in a 3-4 and has further enforced that fact.

His best value that I can see is being flipped to Miami who I'm sure Parcells will convert into a 3-4 team. The only front four talent they really have worth caring about can all be or have been impact players in the 3-4 defense.

rovolution · 01-22-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

You never know, Shanny is a master of the three way trade. Look what he managed to get for Lelie, we're still reaping rewards for that.

I don't really care for Spears on our team though. He was a prototypical 3-4 DE coming out, he played in a 3-4 and has further enforced that fact.

His best value that I can see is being flipped to Miami who I'm sure Parcells will convert into a 3-4 team. The only front four talent they really have worth caring about can all be or have been impact players in the 3-4 defense.

Miami has been running 3-4 since the Nick Saban era.

Dom Capers brought it there when he was hired and they have run it ever since, ran it quite effectively during Jason Taylor's Defensive MVP season in 06.

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ayjackson Pro Bowler Not so new to the forum Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 699 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I like Spears out of the two for our 4-3. He's 6'4" and 300 lbs and very stout against the run. If we could nab him for our 4th rounder, we'd be looking a lot better at DT. Throw in Corey Williams and we could forget about DT in the draft. Last edited by ayjackson; 01-22-2008 at 03:55 PM.. Reason: dyslexia

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01-22-2008, 02:28 PM	#1
broncofan7 AKA "THE STANDARD" BQ looks ALMOST as good as I do Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BIG D Posts: 6,022	Rumor--cowboys are shopping Bobby Carpenter and Marcus Spears Any interest here? I was thinking about Carpenter adding some depth to our LB corp--he was a 1st round talent. I am not that enamored with Spears. Dallas is loaded at LB, with Bradie James, Akin Odyelle and Kevin burnett on the inside and on the outside Dallas has Demarcus Ware, Greg Ellis and the rookie from purdue whose name escapes my mind. Carpenter was pretty good on special teams from what I recall from this past season as well. If Dallas is asking for a 4th, would we do it? I lwould be for it.....

01-22-2008, 02:31 PM	#2
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ "not an athlete" Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,348 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	I think Spears could handle a 1 technique...

01-22-2008, 02:34 PM	#3
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	dangle Foxworth out there and see what happens...

01-22-2008, 02:37 PM	#4
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Javon? Glenn is done.

01-22-2008, 02:51 PM	#5
PRBronco FML less Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,206 Adopt-a-Bronco: I'm so alone	Oh nice, I always thought Carpenter would make a nice SAM, not worth a first rounder, but a surefire upgrade for us. Spears is no slouch either. Maybe they really want a small crappy linebacker and an(other) injury prone wide receiver who's an a-hole.

01-22-2008, 03:07 PM	#6
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	nah, two 4th rounders should do it

01-22-2008, 03:58 PM	#11
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,359	I hope they both enjoy south beach, because thats where they're going. Spears, Carpenter, and some package of picks will get Dallas up to #1 and land Jerry Jones his boy, Darren McFadden. If we're smart we'll get in on that. Send #12 and #42 for both their 1sts, and their 2nd. Maybe try to squeeze a 4th out of them too. After getting a late 3rd for Foxworth we'd be looking at a good crop of picks. Use #22 to get an impact player, maybe flip #30 to move back or even potentially turn it into a mid/late 2nd this year and an '09 1st.

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BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,470 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	We shouldda traded for Greg Ellis when I suggested it ... Summer 2006.

01-22-2008, 04:39 PM	#15
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Why would Dallas want McFadden? I mean, yeah, I know, he's this year's "Once a year" guy, but still, Barber is great. Although if that's true, let's trade for Barber.

01-22-2008, 06:54 PM	#23
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	I'd love Carpenter, but Spears is a a pipe dream.