Let's see how split the Mane is on our needs - The Orange Mane

Gcver2ver3 · 01-21-2008, 08:14 PM

Nice debate going on this....can't seem to get a consensus...

Let's put it to a vote....

With our 1st pick...what should we draft?

Of course this is barring any potential free agent acquisitions....

Doggcow · 01-21-2008, 08:25 PM

Oline

Los Broncos · 01-21-2008, 08:41 PM

Offensive line.

want2bAbronco2 · 01-21-2008, 08:43 PM

I picked BA, take the best at anyone of those positions would work for me.

Tombstone RJ · 01-21-2008, 08:44 PM

No thanks on the oline in the first round.

Oline should be addressed in later rounds and especially in FA. The Broncos have a great history under Shanny for bringing in FA olineman like Zimmerman and Schlereth, and I think Habib was a FA too.

rovolution · 01-21-2008, 08:47 PM

OT.

with Slowicks promotion it looks like were going back to the Coyer blitz defense of 2005.

Talented D-linemen are not a priority in that scheme.

Pears is a joke at tackle and Harris is an untested 3rd rounder, so a first round stud at OT would be great to protect Jay.

rovolution · 01-21-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

No thanks on the oline in the first round.

Oline should be addressed in later rounds and especially in FA. The Broncos have a great history under Shanny for bringing in FA olineman like Zimmerman and Schlereth, and I think Habib was a FA too.

Zimmerman was brought in a trade by Wade Phillips and Habib was signed by Wade.

Drek · 01-21-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

No thanks on the oline in the first round.

Oline should be addressed in later rounds and especially in FA. The Broncos have a great history under Shanny for bringing in FA olineman like Zimmerman and Schlereth, and I think Habib was a FA too.

And that mindset is exactly what is screwing us over now.

Back in the 90s linemen where either big and strong or athletic and quick. Now you can get big maulers who can still move well enough for the ZBS. Everyone else has been drafting them, but we keep relying on weak but mobile late rounders and UDFAs.

Add that our team should move to a style that relies less on the ZBS because 1. its being milked around the league and teams are getting better at stopping it and 2. Cutler is a good enough QB that he should be the center of our offense.

I chose OT because that will be the best available talent at #12 if we stay there. But if we move down it should be all about best reasonable talent. Don't go drafting a QB or something, but if we're looking at an OT, LB, DT, and S then take the best available.

yavoon · 01-21-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

And that mindset is exactly what is screwing us over now.

Back in the 90s linemen where either big and strong or athletic and quick. Now you can get big maulers who can still move well enough for the ZBS. Everyone else has been drafting them, but we keep relying on weak but mobile late rounders and UDFAs.

Add that our team should move to a style that relies less on the ZBS because 1. its being milked around the league and teams are getting better at stopping it and 2. Cutler is a good enough QB that he should be the center of our offense.

I chose OT because that will be the best available talent at #12 if we stay there. But if we move down it should be all about best reasonable talent. Don't go drafting a QB or something, but if we're looking at an OT, LB, DT, and S then take the best available.

I agree, many more ppl run zone blocking now, and they do it w/ real mansized olineman. though you can still be small(indy's oline is puny), we atleast have to stop the gimmick and recognize the importance of pass blocking.

Inkana7 · 01-21-2008, 08:53 PM

Don't be surprised to see Kenny Phillips playing S next year.

Northman · 01-21-2008, 08:55 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=65291

RhymesayersDU · 01-21-2008, 08:57 PM

You really should have added QB to the list, just to mess with people.

Kaylore · 01-21-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkana7

Don't be surprised to see Kenny Phillips playing S next year.

Of course he's going to play safety next year. He's probably going to be the first safety off the board.

Tombstone RJ · 01-21-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

And that mindset is exactly what is screwing us over now.

Back in the 90s linemen where either big and strong or athletic and quick. Now you can get big maulers who can still move well enough for the ZBS. Everyone else has been drafting them, but we keep relying on weak but mobile late rounders and UDFAs.

Add that our team should move to a style that relies less on the ZBS because 1. its being milked around the league and teams are getting better at stopping it and 2. Cutler is a good enough QB that he should be the center of our offense.

I chose OT because that will be the best available talent at #12 if we stay there. But if we move down it should be all about best reasonable talent. Don't go drafting a QB or something, but if we're looking at an OT, LB, DT, and S then take the best available.

I disagree. Look at the Broncos statistics for running the ball and sacks the last 10 years and you will not see a significant drop off this year in running and sacks.

Hell, peeps on this board were b****ing and moaning about the oline back when Griese was getting sacked all the damn time. FACT IS, Griese was immobile and he couldn't evade a sack so he got dropped alot.

The only real difference is RED ZONE SCORING. Not rushing, not receptions, not sacks, just scoring points.

Inkana7 · 01-21-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Of course he's going to play safety next year. He's probably going to be the first safety off the board.

....for us. Sorry.

Tombstone RJ · 01-21-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

Zimmerman was brought in a trade by Wade Phillips and Habib was signed by Wade.

Cool. At least Wade did two things right.

Kaylore · 01-21-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkana7

....for us. Sorry.

Ah. A lot of people have us taking him in round one. I really don't like taking safeties, tight ends, guards and running backs higher than pick twenty. Frankly I'd rather use a first round pick on any position than those. I suppose if he was the best available it would be ok, but I'm not real jazzed about him. Ask Miami fans what they think of him and you'll hear words like "disappointing" and "underachieved."

I'd like to trade down and look at offensive line or receiver.

2KBack · 01-21-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Cool. At least Wade did two things right.

I believe he also picked up Rod

Blueflame · 01-21-2008, 09:24 PM

In the first round, we need help "in the trenches". However, if a very good LB or S is available, I would not be unhappy at all if they took him.

Tombstone RJ · 01-21-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

I believe he also picked up Rod

The man was a genius.

Gcver2ver3 · 01-21-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

You really should have added QB to the list, just to mess with people.

sadly it would've gotten a few votes....

Gcver2ver3 · 01-21-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=65291

no "Best Available" option....

rovolution · 01-21-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

I believe he also picked up Rod

he also drafted Elam and Nalen

drafted Allen Aldridge, signed Ray Crockett...

Wade did alot for this ballclub personell-wise

Triplelefthook · 01-21-2008, 10:23 PM

OT or DT

Spider · 01-21-2008, 10:35 PM

Iam thinking along the lines of Cheerleaders

View Poll Results: What should we draft?
OT	72	37.11%
DT	48	24.74%
RB	5	2.58%
MLB	11	5.67%
OLB	5	2.58%
S	9	4.64%
Best Available	44	22.68%
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01-21-2008, 08:14 PM	#1
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	Let's see how split the Mane is on our needs Nice debate going on this....can't seem to get a consensus... Let's put it to a vote.... With our 1st pick...what should we draft? Of course this is barring any potential free agent acquisitions....

01-21-2008, 08:25 PM	#2
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Oline

01-21-2008, 08:41 PM	#3
Los Broncos Ring of farmers Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim Hills, Santa Ana Mountains CA Posts: 18,766 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	Offensive line.

01-21-2008, 08:43 PM	#4
want2bAbronco2 Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 618	I picked BA, take the best at anyone of those positions would work for me.

01-21-2008, 08:44 PM	#5
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,274 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	No thanks on the oline in the first round. Oline should be addressed in later rounds and especially in FA. The Broncos have a great history under Shanny for bringing in FA olineman like Zimmerman and Schlereth, and I think Habib was a FA too.

01-21-2008, 08:47 PM	#6
rovolution Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 2,949 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	OT. with Slowicks promotion it looks like were going back to the Coyer blitz defense of 2005. Talented D-linemen are not a priority in that scheme. Pears is a joke at tackle and Harris is an untested 3rd rounder, so a first round stud at OT would be great to protect Jay.

01-21-2008, 08:53 PM	#10
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,229 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	Don't be surprised to see Kenny Phillips playing S next year.

01-21-2008, 08:55 PM	#11
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=65291

01-21-2008, 08:57 PM	#12
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	You really should have added QB to the list, just to mess with people.

01-21-2008, 09:24 PM	#19
Blueflame Miss Congeniality Welcome to Peyton's Place Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: in my cups... lol Posts: 33,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Randy Gradishar	In the first round, we need help "in the trenches". However, if a very good LB or S is available, I would not be unhappy at all if they took him.

01-21-2008, 10:23 PM	#24
Triplelefthook Pro Bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 678 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	OT or DT

01-21-2008, 10:35 PM	#25
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Iam thinking along the lines of Cheerleaders