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smalltowngrll · 03-31-2008, 07:18 PM

I have to wonder if we've met the person in the coffin. Or, if the person in the coffin is not someone that was from the island.

Jens1893 · 03-31-2008, 10:25 PM

Aaron is definitely one of the Six

And as for the guy in the coffin, this is a screencap of the newspaper clipping

TexanBob · 04-01-2008, 03:33 AM

The newspaper clipping may not be relevant for what it says. It's an old cinematic trick to take random newsprint and superimpose a different headline. It's not meant to actually be read by viewers. At best, the clipping would point to a man with a last name of "__antham" from New York which wouldn't seem to match anyone in the show, unless possibly Walt is living under an alias but then why would he receive a funeral in L.A. if he was raised in N.Y. and Europe? And why would it cause Jack's reaction to it? Why when he was asked at the funeral home "friend or family?" would he reply "neither"?

The preview above is a bit telling however in that it is *Sun* holding the baby, not Claire. What's happened to Claire that she'd be separated from her baby? I think she gets killed. Her part has been shrinking ever since mopey Charlie died.

BroncoBuff · 04-01-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltowngrll

Aaron wasn't on the manifest...so, he technically wouldn't be considered one of the six.

The baby in the crib was not an infant by any means. He was definitely older than an infant. He had a lot of blonde hair. He could have easily been 12-16 months old in the flash forward.

Aaron is the sixth .... and you're right, he looks older than I thought.

It's obviously the same Aaron, so what gives with Kate calling him her son? Maybe Claire will extract a pomise Kate take care of him? Maybe Kate thinks having a baby will win her sympathy in the criminal deal? If that's it - it definitely worked. Mom declined to testify because of the kid, right?

Biggest question I have now is ... when Kate met Jack of the LAX runway in the very fist flash-forward and said, "I've gotta go, he'll wonder where I am." WTF is she referring to? Not any of the Six obviously ... but she used the simple 'he' pronoun to Jack, so Jack must be every familiar with who it is ...

Rohirrim · 04-02-2008, 02:27 PM

Given the conniving slut that Kate is, she probably ends up hooked up with Ben. They're perfect for each other. The guy in the coffin is Michael.

TexanBob · 04-02-2008, 11:34 PM

I think Kate attempts to pass herself off as Claire so she can be rescued without being arrested. How she winds up with Aaron, we'd have to wait and see.

Off the wall theory...maybe Miles gets the $3.2 million from Ben and the *he* Kate tells Jack about is Miles. I'll bet Miles thought getting roughed up by Kate was "hot" and she obviously can't resist a man with money to screw over. Miles probably doesn't do "taco night" either.

TexanBob · 04-25-2008, 06:33 PM

Wow. So Ben tries to bluff his way through keeping his own daughter from getting killed and loses the bet - so now he's going to hunt down Penny.

("Changing the rules" I presume is some code for an unwritten agreement with Widmore not to kill the other's immediate family)

And Ben obviously has a way to summon the Smoke Monster (so why is he then so afraid Widmore's guys can take over the island?)

So does this mean Ben will eventually hire Sayid to kill Penny (in "The Economist", he's already shown a willingness to kill women) only to be opposed by Desmond?

smalltowngrll · 04-25-2008, 07:13 PM

My gut tells me that Ben and Charles Widmore have an agreement and cannot kill each other.

What if they are each others constant (that would be a good reason to NOT kill your enemy. Ben is confident that those coming after him are not there to kill him) and in the course of time were able to go back in time and forward in time in order to orchestrate those that would be on the plane? Ben is obviously able to travel anywhere under any name, as we've seen with all of the passports that he had.

The oceanic 6 talk of going back and elude to those they left. What if they each had to have a constant in order to leave the island so that they could live in the outside world? Claire would give Aaron the ability to live in the real world so she would be his constant. Sawyer loves Kate so he would be her constant. That way Kate could care for Aaron. So, it's not that everyone else on the plane dies, it's that these are the only ones that are able to return because everyone would now need a constant.

TexanBob · 04-25-2008, 07:22 PM

Interesting thought, however, why would anyone who *stays* on the island need a constant? And why would anyone who doesn't intend to return need a constant? Desmond's constant was always in the "real world".

It does bring up the question, though, that if Penny dies would Desmond have an anuerysm? I think the only people who need a constant are those who go through time travel.

TexanBob · 05-02-2008, 12:18 PM

We're getting closer to understanding why Jack had an issue with Claire's baby (obviously somehow tying in that Jack and Claire have the same father which neither presently knows). And while Jack and Kate are now happy together and getting engaged, there are still secrets between them that Jack is insistent on learning. Kate promised something to Sawyer? Wonder what that is?

Dandaman · 05-27-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TexanBob

We're getting closer to understanding why Jack had an issue with Claire's baby (obviously somehow tying in that Jack and Claire have the same father which neither presently knows). And while Jack and Kate are now happy together and getting engaged, there are still secrets between them that Jack is insistent on learning. Kate promised something to Sawyer? Wonder what that is?

Now we know that Jack did know how Aaron is related to him.

Can't wait for the season finale this Thursday!

TexanBob · 05-27-2008, 12:24 PM

I found the whole memorial scene implausable. Jack's father has a memorial service, presumably in Los Angeles, and this woman flies halfway around the world just to tell Jack that his father had sired a child in Australia he wasn't aware of.

"Because I thought you needed to know".

Why? Dad's dead. Claire (for as much as anyone knows) is dead. Jack's preparing to move on. Why go through all this effort just to drop this bomb on him (other than the plot line demands it)? And, FWIW, I don't really get why Jack has such a major problem with Aaron's parentage.

Plus, we still don't know who Aaron's father is. That may still be the mystery we learn later.

===================

I'm waiting to see how the Ocenaic Six wind up back together. Currently, Hurley is at the Orchid, Jack is with Sawyer leaving from the helicopter, Kate and Sayid have just been captured by (I think) the Others near the Temple. Sun and Aaron are on the freighter. So, somehow in the finale those six and only those six get rescued and make up the whole set of lies they plan to tell the outside world.

smalltowngrll · 05-27-2008, 04:00 PM

Aaron's father was Thomas. He was an artist and you will also find that one of his paintings is in Charles Widmore's office.

I believe it was in Season 1 where we met Thomas. Remember, he was really excited about having the baby at first, but then decided he all of a sudden was not so excited about it and left. That's what led Claire to adoption and thus her being on the plane.

smalltowngrll · 05-29-2008, 12:42 PM

Season Finale!!! TONIGHT! yeah!

Beantown Bronco · 05-29-2008, 02:44 PM

I'll admit it. I'm fired up!

Pseudofool · 05-29-2008, 02:57 PM

It's too bad it's so easy to see where this is going.
Probable spoiler: This episode catches up to the future. And Season 5 is about the Oceanic Six getting back to the Island (along with Ben?).

TexanBob · 05-29-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by smalltowngrll

Aaron's father was Thomas. He was an artist and you will also find that one of his paintings is in Charles Widmore's office.

I believe it was in Season 1 where we met Thomas. Remember, he was really excited about having the baby at first, but then decided he all of a sudden was not so excited about it and left. That's what led Claire to adoption and thus her being on the plane.

But perhaps he lost interest when he found out he wasn't really the father. I'm wondering if there might be some incest going on here that hasn't been revealed. It would certainly explain Jack's resistence to raising Aaron and maybe explain why Hurley/Charlie are warning him away from raising the child.

BTW, when the entire series is over in a couple of years, I'd really like to see someone re-edit this show and present it in total chronological order. It would probably need to be done as a DVD release or possibly as a syndication series.

smalltowngrll · 05-29-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanBob

But perhaps he lost interest when he found out he wasn't really the father. I'm wondering if there might be some incest going on here that hasn't been revealed. It would certainly explain Jack's resistence to raising Aaron and maybe explain why Hurley/Charlie are warning him away from raising the child.

Hmm, I'm not quite sure that I'd agree with the idea that Thomas isn't the father. And, I'm not too keen on the whole incest thing. Christian only visited Claire as a baby and stopped when she was older. Remember when her mom was in the hospital on life support (after the car accident) and he paid for it all, came out and tried to convince Claire to turn off the machines? She said to him that she didn't even know his name. She barely knew him.

I tend to wonder if this whole time travel thing has Ben and Charles Widmore orchestrating events that would cause people to make certain decisions in life that, in the end, would put them on the island...for Ben's and Charle's own benefits. Thomas was all gung ho about the child, saying it would give them hope and a new direction, then suddenly changed his mind. Did Ben or Charles get to him in some way and change his mind? Was the psychic somehow involved, too?

TexanBob · 05-29-2008, 03:34 PM

You make a good point about Claire not recognizing Christian in the hospital...yet in the cabin, she calls him "Daddy" and they are all chums. Makes it difficult sometimes to follow with the time warp factor.

smalltowngrll · 05-29-2008, 03:51 PM

Yeah, I know. It gets tricky to keep it all straight.

I've found that lostpedia has been helpful in remember episode content and little factual trinkets of info.

BroncoBuff · 05-29-2008, 04:07 PM

Tonight's The Night!!!

smalltowngrll · 05-29-2008, 04:29 PM

Yup, I'm totally psyched.

However, there is one tiny downside...

No more lost until January 2009!!! UGH!

Master___Pain · 05-30-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltowngrll

I have to wonder if we've met the person in the coffin. Or, if the person in the coffin is not someone that was from the island.

Um, yeah, I'd say we knew who was in the coffin

Beantown Bronco · 05-30-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Um, yeah, I'd say we knew who was in the coffin

Great episode.....and that was an awesome ending.

TexanBob · 05-30-2008, 11:13 AM

Actually, I found the season's ending a bit contrived and ragged - particularly the old tired act of the villain (Keamy) coming back from the dead so he could be killed off one more time. Death seems to be a temporary thing on this island anyway, sort of like in cartoons.

If Ben says they all must come back to the island, doesn't that include Desmond? And if not, why not? And if Ben destroyed his "way-back machine", how is he able to keep showing up in other parts of the world?

I'm not sure how they can twist the remaining plot lines for three more seasons without making a totally mockery of themselves.

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03-31-2008, 07:18 PM	#76
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	I have to wonder if we've met the person in the coffin. Or, if the person in the coffin is not someone that was from the island.

03-31-2008, 10:25 PM	#77
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	Aaron is definitely one of the Six And as for the guy in the coffin, this is a screencap of the newspaper clipping

04-01-2008, 03:33 AM	#78
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	The newspaper clipping may not be relevant for what it says. It's an old cinematic trick to take random newsprint and superimpose a different headline. It's not meant to actually be read by viewers. At best, the clipping would point to a man with a last name of "__antham" from New York which wouldn't seem to match anyone in the show, unless possibly Walt is living under an alias but then why would he receive a funeral in L.A. if he was raised in N.Y. and Europe? And why would it cause Jack's reaction to it? Why when he was asked at the funeral home "friend or family?" would he reply "neither"? The preview above is a bit telling however in that it is Sun holding the baby, not Claire. What's happened to Claire that she'd be separated from her baby? I think she gets killed. Her part has been shrinking ever since mopey Charlie died.

04-02-2008, 02:27 PM	#80
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,104	Given the conniving slut that Kate is, she probably ends up hooked up with Ben. They're perfect for each other. The guy in the coffin is Michael.

04-02-2008, 11:34 PM	#81
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	I think Kate attempts to pass herself off as Claire so she can be rescued without being arrested. How she winds up with Aaron, we'd have to wait and see. Off the wall theory...maybe Miles gets the $3.2 million from Ben and the he Kate tells Jack about is Miles. I'll bet Miles thought getting roughed up by Kate was "hot" and she obviously can't resist a man with money to screw over. Miles probably doesn't do "taco night" either.

04-25-2008, 06:33 PM	#82
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Wow. So Ben tries to bluff his way through keeping his own daughter from getting killed and loses the bet - so now he's going to hunt down Penny. ("Changing the rules" I presume is some code for an unwritten agreement with Widmore not to kill the other's immediate family) And Ben obviously has a way to summon the Smoke Monster (so why is he then so afraid Widmore's guys can take over the island?) So does this mean Ben will eventually hire Sayid to kill Penny (in "The Economist", he's already shown a willingness to kill women) only to be opposed by Desmond?

04-25-2008, 07:13 PM	#83
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	My gut tells me that Ben and Charles Widmore have an agreement and cannot kill each other. What if they are each others constant (that would be a good reason to NOT kill your enemy. Ben is confident that those coming after him are not there to kill him) and in the course of time were able to go back in time and forward in time in order to orchestrate those that would be on the plane? Ben is obviously able to travel anywhere under any name, as we've seen with all of the passports that he had. The oceanic 6 talk of going back and elude to those they left. What if they each had to have a constant in order to leave the island so that they could live in the outside world? Claire would give Aaron the ability to live in the real world so she would be his constant. Sawyer loves Kate so he would be her constant. That way Kate could care for Aaron. So, it's not that everyone else on the plane dies, it's that these are the only ones that are able to return because everyone would now need a constant.

04-25-2008, 07:22 PM	#84
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Interesting thought, however, why would anyone who stays on the island need a constant? And why would anyone who doesn't intend to return need a constant? Desmond's constant was always in the "real world". It does bring up the question, though, that if Penny dies would Desmond have an anuerysm? I think the only people who need a constant are those who go through time travel.

05-02-2008, 12:18 PM	#85
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	We're getting closer to understanding why Jack had an issue with Claire's baby (obviously somehow tying in that Jack and Claire have the same father which neither presently knows). And while Jack and Kate are now happy together and getting engaged, there are still secrets between them that Jack is insistent on learning. Kate promised something to Sawyer? Wonder what that is?

05-27-2008, 12:24 PM	#87
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	I found the whole memorial scene implausable. Jack's father has a memorial service, presumably in Los Angeles, and this woman flies halfway around the world just to tell Jack that his father had sired a child in Australia he wasn't aware of. "Because I thought you needed to know". Why? Dad's dead. Claire (for as much as anyone knows) is dead. Jack's preparing to move on. Why go through all this effort just to drop this bomb on him (other than the plot line demands it)? And, FWIW, I don't really get why Jack has such a major problem with Aaron's parentage. Plus, we still don't know who Aaron's father is. That may still be the mystery we learn later. =================== I'm waiting to see how the Ocenaic Six wind up back together. Currently, Hurley is at the Orchid, Jack is with Sawyer leaving from the helicopter, Kate and Sayid have just been captured by (I think) the Others near the Temple. Sun and Aaron are on the freighter. So, somehow in the finale those six and only those six get rescued and make up the whole set of lies they plan to tell the outside world.

05-29-2008, 02:44 PM	#90
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	I'll admit it. I'm fired up!

05-27-2008, 04:00 PM	#88
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	Aaron's father was Thomas. He was an artist and you will also find that one of his paintings is in Charles Widmore's office. I believe it was in Season 1 where we met Thomas. Remember, he was really excited about having the baby at first, but then decided he all of a sudden was not so excited about it and left. That's what led Claire to adoption and thus her being on the plane.

05-29-2008, 12:42 PM	#89
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	Season Finale!!! TONIGHT! yeah!

05-29-2008, 02:57 PM	#91
Pseudofool Cynic at Large Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Solipsism Posts: 2,893 Adopt-a-Bronco: Me?	It's too bad it's so easy to see where this is going. Probable spoiler: This episode catches up to the future. And Season 5 is about the Oceanic Six getting back to the Island (along with Ben?).

05-29-2008, 03:34 PM	#94
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	You make a good point about Claire not recognizing Christian in the hospital...yet in the cabin, she calls him "Daddy" and they are all chums. Makes it difficult sometimes to follow with the time warp factor.

05-29-2008, 03:51 PM	#95
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	Yeah, I know. It gets tricky to keep it all straight. I've found that lostpedia has been helpful in remember episode content and little factual trinkets of info.

05-29-2008, 04:07 PM	#96
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,470 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Tonight's The Night!!!

05-29-2008, 04:29 PM	#97
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	Yup, I'm totally psyched. However, there is one tiny downside... No more lost until January 2009!!! UGH!

05-30-2008, 11:13 AM	#100
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Actually, I found the season's ending a bit contrived and ragged - particularly the old tired act of the villain (Keamy) coming back from the dead so he could be killed off one more time. Death seems to be a temporary thing on this island anyway, sort of like in cartoons. If Ben says they all must come back to the island, doesn't that include Desmond? And if not, why not? And if Ben destroyed his "way-back machine", how is he able to keep showing up in other parts of the world? I'm not sure how they can twist the remaining plot lines for three more seasons without making a totally mockery of themselves.