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[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by smalltowngrll

A couple of things come to mind.

Could the island be some sort of time warp? We see hurley and that radio in one of the episoldes where the music was playing and he says "maybe it's from a different time. Just kidding." Then we have the idea of flash backs in time and now with this new season, flash forwards in time. Jack says to Kate, "We have to go back"...could he mean back to the island and time? Hurley said the same thing.

Just a few things I thought about...not really thought through, though!

Close IMO.

[Don't read if you didn't watch last night]



Last night sealed the deal for me. It appears to be a ripoff of Stephen King's "The Langoliers". In King's book/movie, they were essentially stuck in a parallel time that was just a few seconds or so ahead of "real time". And this was caused (and later cured) by flying through a very specific spot in the sky.

In last night's episode, when the missile was shot from the boat to the scientist on the island with Jack and the pilot.....he looked at the clock inside it, it was a 1/2 hour off from "real time". And later, when the scientist gave instructions to the pilot on how to get back to the ship, he specifically told him that he had to fly using the exact bearings he used to get to the island from the ship.

[TexanBob]

I think you are right about the time warp thing although it doesn't explain everything. Why, for example, can they have a phone call with the freighter without waiting the additional time, etc.

We know Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sayid are four of the "Oceanic Six" (which we assume are the only ones rescued but possibly not). Let's remember that the only reason Charlie went to his end was because Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter.

I'm also curious what happens to Sun and Jin since Sun is pregnant and pregnancy is supposed to be a death sentence on the island. I don't think the writers are going to let Sun die. Perhaps Juliet miraculously cures Sun and she stays on the island.

There are a few unresolved contrivances that I am still wondering if the writers will ever re-visit:

1) Why was Ekko on a plane from Sydney to Los Angeles? He came out of the back end of the plane but they never gave a good reason why an African who occasionally travels to London would be on a plane going from Australia to the U.S.

2) Christian (Jack's drunk father) turns out also to be Claire's father. With Charlie gone, are we ever going to see Jack and Claire start a romance that will end with the horrifying realization that they are actually blood relatives?

3) We now know that there are "The Gifted" who can communicate with island and possibly Jacob. Ben, Locke and Walt seem to be "gifted" and the writers are beginning to imply that Hurley, too, is gaining giftomhood. Yet, Hurley still chooses to leave the island while all the other "Gifteds" seem to be willing to defend the island by any means necessary. Why?

[Doggcow]

It's going to end with "Hahaha God is ****ing with them" and then everyone will be pissed off. I see it comming.

[smalltowngrll]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I think you are right about the time warp thing although it doesn't explain everything. Why, for example, can they have a phone call with the freighter without waiting the additional time, etc.

We know Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sayid are four of the "Oceanic Six" (which we assume are the only ones rescued but possibly not). Let's remember that the only reason Charlie went to his end was because Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter.

I'm also curious what happens to Sun and Jin since Sun is pregnant and pregnancy is supposed to be a death sentence on the island. I don't think the writers are going to let Sun die. Perhaps Juliet miraculously cures Sun and she stays on the island.

There are a few unresolved contrivances that I am still wondering if the writers will ever re-visit:

1) Why was Ekko on a plane from Sydney to Los Angeles? He came out of the back end of the plane but they never gave a good reason why an African who occasionally travels to London would be on a plane going from Australia to the U.S.

2) Christian (Jack's drunk father) turns out also to be Claire's father. With Charlie gone, are we ever going to see Jack and Claire start a romance that will end with the horrifying realization that they are actually blood relatives?

3) We now know that there are "The Gifted" who can communicate with island and possibly Jacob. Ben, Locke and Walt seem to be "gifted" and the writers are beginning to imply that Hurley, too, is gaining giftomhood. Yet, Hurley still chooses to leave the island while all the other "Gifteds" seem to be willing to defend the island by any means necessary. Why?

This is good!!

I doubt they will revisit Ekko since he's no longer alive and will probably not add any more value to the program, although I really did like Ekko.

Do not read below if you've not seen the episode from the 14th!

I do have to wonder if Ben has hired Sayid to kill off anyone who has figured out how to get to the island. These people came specifically for Ben. Also, seeing all of the various pasports and various travel documents eludes to the fact that Ben can come and go on the island as he pleases.

Also, with the idea that there is only one 'corridor' that will lead you in and out of the island, one would have to realize that Michael and Walt never made it off the island.

[TexanBob]

We know Michael reappears in the series this season but how and for what purposes, I can't tell you.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

In last night's episode, when the missile was shot from the boat to the scientist on the island with Jack and the pilot.....he looked at the clock inside it, it was a 1/2 hour off from "real time". And later, when the scientist gave instructions to the pilot on how to get back to the ship, he specifically told him that he had to fly using the exact bearings he used to get to the island from the ship.

31 minutes actually... I only correct you because exact numbers have proven so important on the island. Was '31' one of the numbers on Hurley's Lottery or Desmond's keyboard entry? Stg predicted this time warp thing before last night's episode. Nice job stg

Anybody flip out when Linus was fixing up Sayid? Not my favorite development thus far ... Sayid becoming a hired killer under Linus's thumb in the real world is not a future I'm too excited to see actually ... but you gotta hand it to these writers, this is one amazing show.... amazing.

Texas Bob, imo Ekko won't matter anymore, but the Jack/Claire thing will come around again. And your point #3 is at the core of the whole island experience. Those spritual aspects and "special" people make me less and less certain the show's ultimate "answers" will be simple time/magnetism warp, science-type answers. In fact, this "Sayid as Linus's hit-man" makes me less and less sure they'll ever be able to explain this show fully ...



They are some really excellent actors on this show ... Terry O'Quinn has always been an fine supporting actor, and the new actor playing Miles is great. But that Josh Hollaway is the most amazing, a rare talent. I bet he's a movie star soon ... it's rare for a macho stud type actor to exhibit so much depth and feeling, and still retain the macho stud elements of his character.

Funny, but I saw Holloway on "The View" last summer, and he is one goofy, dorky somb**** in real life. NOTHING AT ALL like Sawyer.

[BroncoBuff]

O'Quinn and Holloway ... great, GREAT actors.

Look close at Holloway's face - that's obviously not Sawyer, that's the goofy guy I saw on The View

[TexanBob]

The writers actually took away one of their better plot lines. They've spent the last few episodes with various people threatening to kill off Ben and now they've let it slip that he's not going to die. The man has had very recent spinal surgery and been beaten to a bloody pulp by Jack, Rousseau and Sawyer among others while the New Others (the ones from the freighter) seem rather eager to kill him off too yet it seems that plot line is over since we now know he'll be healthy and well enough to treat Sayid's wound some time in the future.

BTW, I recognized Michael Emerson's (Ben's) voice from the moment he told Sayid to remove his shirt. The man's voice has a rather distinct cadence and I knew instantly who it was even though the director tried in vain to disguise his voice so you wouldn't know until you saw his face.

This also means Ben, at some point, regains control enough that he has power to keep Sayid as a hostage while the other castaways are living lives of paranoia and misery back in California.

[BroncoBuff]

Ben might turn out to be a good guy. How, you ask?

Well let's see ... Sayid is with him and Sayid could've taken his Oceanic settlement and lived happily ... so maybe Ben uncovered that Dharma was doing something very, very evil - breeding polar bears and humans together or something - and that's why he massacred the Dharma people.

But then why would he shoot Locke like he did? I find Benjamin Linus near impossible to project into the future as a good person ... but Benjamin as the ultimate good guy is looking more and more possible now.

[TexanBob]

That's going to take some real work to make Ben the hero. Although Ben certainly looks no worse than Mr. Abbadon, the big chief of the New Others.

I think the survivors are trapped in a major blood fued between The Others and the New Others who are too busy trying to figure out how to destroy each other to get the survivors off the island.

I think Juliet and Desmond will be soon to leave (how *did* a submarine sail through a time warp?) and we may never know how the Desmond-Penelope thing turns out.

What would be really cool is if the survivors stumble upon a cottage with a very thin elderly woman in it that turns out to be Amelia Earhardt.

[Rohirrim]

Ben is a great, fictional villain. You don't kill off the villain in the second act. Imagine Star Wars with no Darth Vader. I agree with you, BB, on not being too happy to see the direction Sayid takes. I guess once a torturer always a torturer, or killer, at any rate.

Regarding where the island is, here may be a clue. The guy on the boat is named Minkowski, which also is the name of a famed German mathemetician, Hermann Minkowski. Here, if you can make heads or tails of it, is an explanation of space/time referred to as Minkowski Space:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

Another odd thing that really stuck out for me, Charlotte finding the collar of the Dharma Hydra station on a polar bear skeleton in Tunisia. Weird.

[TexanBob]

With Charlotte and Elsa, it really seems like someone in casting has an eye for fair-skinned redheads and strawberry blondes. If you look at a lot of the Caucasian chicks in the story (Juliet, Claire, Penny, the hottie from Season 1, Jack's ex-wife, the chick who was with Paulo, Charlotte, Elsa) you start to notice similarities in their appearance. Not that that's a bad thing.

I was disappointed, though, to learn that post-production teams go in and play with the actor's eye colors and other computer tricks to make the women seem more attractive than possibly they really are.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I was disappointed, though, to learn that post-production teams go in and play with the actor's eye colors and other computer tricks to make the women seem more attractive than possibly they really are.

I can now name at least one Maner that's been burned by the lights going on at last call and realizing that the chick he's been talking to for the last 2 hours doesn't quite look the same as she did 5 minutes ago.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I can now name at least one Maner that's been burned by the lights going on at last call and realizing that the chick he's been talking to for the last 2 hours doesn't quite look the same as she did 5 minutes ago.

Actually, no, but I have noticed that women always look better to me when I am feeling sick. For whatever reason, women are always better looking when I'm seemingly in the worst position to take advantage of it.

[Doggcow]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I can now name at least one Maner that's been burned by the lights going on at last call and realizing that the chick he's been talking to for the last 2 hours doesn't quite look the same as she did 5 minutes ago.

By last call you should be inebriated enough not to notice/care until the morning.

[Rohirrim]

I like the new direction the show is taking. A whole new puzzle. I'll tell you one thing, though. I wouldn't get within twenty feet of a woman like Kate. She's crazy as a cat. Women like that disturb me. I like that Locke is finally starting to wise up. I'm sure that his new persuasion technique will be successful. The story of Ben will be interesting to unravel. There's more to him than I first thought.

[ak1971]

my wife and I ended up watching the first 3 seasons of this thing in a week and half..hooked.


Had a question......(possible spoiler)





Was the Kate's baby in the flash forward Claires?

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by ak1971

my wife and I ended up watching the first 3 seasons of this thing in a week and half..hooked.


Had a question......(possible spoiler)





Was the Kate's baby in the flash forward Claires?

The child in the Flash Forward is named Aaron so, assuming this is the same boy, that is Claire's child.

Putting together the pieces Potential Spoiler Alert,







Desmond saw a "flash" of Claire and Aaron getting onto a helicopter which he interpreted as getting rescued which he told Charlie so Charlie would sacrifice himself to get Claire rescued.

What if the girl with the baby in Desmond's flash wasn't really Claire but Kate disguised as Claire? I don't know why Claire would allow that to happen (but she was willing to give him up before he was born) or if, perhaps, Claire is killed on the island.

Kate, being a fugitive, may have tried to pass herself off as Claire during the early stages of the rescue to avoid going to prison and used Aaron as a prop to enhance the disguise. But her secret is found out and, in last night's episode, you see her pleading guilty but receives probation because "I have a son" (yes, the "mommy defense" once again turns justice on its head) that turns out to be Aaron.

Now, here's a few other connections. Kate's mother just wants to see her "grandson". But she may figure out the child has no resemblance to Kate so Kate never wants her to see him.

The court scenes were obviously before the drugged out suicidal Jack we saw in the Flash Forward at the end of Season Three. In that episode, he also visits a funeral home to view a small casket that nobody is viewing. The funeral director asks Jack "Friend or family?" and Jack says "neither". He later tells Kate he expected to see her there. Could Aaron be the one in the casket?

And what of Kate telling Jack this week that she understands why he won't come to see Aaron but she won't go out with him until he does? We know that Jack and Claire are related through his father but neither seems to know this. Could Jack actually be Aaron's biological father? Claire has a boyfriend in the beginning that she fights with but perhaps the baby isn't his.

One last SPOILER thought is that Penny's father is the Mister Evil behind the freighter group (and also Elsa's "economist"). That's why Naomi could have had the photo of Desmond and Penny and why Penny might be unaware of the freighter.

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

The child in the Flash Forward is named Aaron so, assuming this is the same boy, that is Claire's child.

Putting together the pieces Potential Spoiler Alert,







Desmond saw a "flash" of Claire and Aaron getting onto a helicopter which he interpreted as getting rescued which he told Charlie so Charlie would sacrifice himself to get Claire rescued.

What if the girl with the baby in Desmond's flash wasn't really Claire but Kate disguised as Claire? I don't know why Claire would allow that to happen (but she was willing to give him up before he was born) or if, perhaps, Claire is killed on the island.

Kate, being a fugitive, may have tried to pass herself off as Claire during the early stages of the rescue to avoid going to prison and used Aaron as a prop to enhance the disguise. But her secret is found out and, in last night's episode, you see her pleading guilty but receives probation because "I have a son" (yes, the "mommy defense" once again turns justice on its head) that turns out to be Aaron.

Now, here's a few other connections. Kate's mother just wants to see her "grandson". But she may figure out the child has no resemblance to Kate so Kate never wants her to see him.

The court scenes were obviously before the drugged out suicidal Jack we saw in the Flash Forward at the end of Season Three. In that episode, he also visits a funeral home to view a small casket that nobody is viewing. The funeral director asks Jack "Friend or family?" and Jack says "neither". He later tells Kate he expected to see her there. Could Aaron be the one in the casket?

And what of Kate telling Jack this week that she understands why he won't come to see Aaron but she won't go out with him until he does? We know that Jack and Claire are related through his father but neither seems to know this. Could Jack actually be Aaron's biological father? Claire has a boyfriend in the beginning that she fights with but perhaps the baby isn't his.

One last SPOILER thought is that Penny's father is the Mister Evil behind the freighter group (and also Elsa's "economist"). That's why Naomi could have had the photo of Desmond and Penny and why Penny might be unaware of the freighter.

I was thinking that the 'new' others have something to do with the old Darhma project. They are there to kill/capture Ben, who killed everyone in the Darhma project when he was younger..am I off base here?

[TexanBob]

More potential spoilerOne last note is Jack's testimony that only eight people survived the crash and six were rescued (which he has twisted into turning Kate becoming the major "hero" of the story), so there needs to be a future accounting of two "survivors" who die on the island and all the other true survivors are said to have died in the wreckage but many probably chose to stay with Locke on the island.

We know four of the "Oceanic Six" are Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sayid. Earlier in this thread, I thought Claire was one of the other two but now I think Kate was actually in Desmond's flash disguised as Claire.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by ak1971

I was thinking that the 'new' others have something to do with the old Darhma project. They are there to kill/capture Ben, who killed everyone in the Darhma project when he was younger..am I off base here?

I'm not yet sold on that thought but it could be possible.

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I'm not yet sold on that thought but it could be possible.

The Darhma Project was financed by some arms dealer, so it could be some twist on that. and here I was thinking..is it possible that the financiers of the Darhma project to didnt know that it had been killed off until recently (thus the food drop, etc)

[TexanBob]

I did forget about the food drop. The crazy thing about that, though, is that the drop was near the place with the TRS-80 that blew up - way away from the Others' camp. You'd think the Dharma folks would already know that Ben had staged his coup through other tell-tale signs that things were not normal (the jammed signals, etc.)

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by ak1971

I was thinking that the 'new' others have something to do with the old Darhma project. They are there to kill/capture Ben, who killed everyone in the Darhma project when he was younger..am I off base here?

That would make too much sense ... actually, Dharma trying to get Ben to avenge the massacre makes LOTS of sense, and the new others could easily be the Dharma-hired revenge mercenaries.

And Kate masquerading as Claire to avoid prosecution also sounds good, but I kinda doubt that too .... I also doubt that this new Aaron is Claire's Aaron. Remember they talked about 8 survivors, but only 6 made it back. Perhaps Claire and Aaron went down with that particular chopper, leaving just the 6? I'm having a very hard time picturing Kate stealing Claire's kid ... maybe she named her own kid Aaron after Claire's dead Aaron? After all, Kate's baby looked maybe 6 or 8 months old ... it makes no sense that all the rescue, medical recovery, house buying, trial prep and trial could ALL happen in just 4months (seeing that Claire's Aaron is 3 months old now, pre-rescue). It's a different kid.


I'm telling you guys, there's eventually gonna be some wild, evil Dharma objective - like breeding polar bears with humans to create a world-conquering hybrid race run by rich Republicans like the guy Sayid killed on the golf course. An other-worldly evil Dharma/New Others objective seems the only reason Sayid would turn killer and not kill Ben. Remember, Dharma was not such a holy group themselves. And, moral relativism being relative, after all, makes me think Ben could morph into a quasi-hero of some kind.



PS: Obviously the woman Sayid killed in Berlin is affiliated with the New Others?

[ak1971]

I was thinking Sun's father might still come into play (He did have the guy threaten Jin in the bathroom in Austraila) with all of this also.