the us is officially a nation of pussies

[tsiguy96]

the govt has everyone in this country so scared of terrorists that they feel they will do whatever they want without limits, its just ridiculous. "well it will help stop terrorism"

BULL****!
terrorism is NOT a threat to this country, no one is going to try to dismantle the unarguably strongest country in the world. if someone wants to blow him and a dozen other people up, there is no way we can stop it. national ID cards, radio frequency chips, super power govt authority, all this does nothing except intrude on the lives of the average citizen and does nothing to keep them secure.

its almost sickening to see how much power the govt is giving itself and how willing people are to accept it in the name of preventing terrorism.

[tsiguy96]

btw i wonder how many more times guliani can mention 9/11 in the next 2 weeks. the republican party makes me sick, im glad ron paul is there pissing them all off, he will single handedly keep them out of office.

[cutthemdown]

Who is advocating radio frequency chips? Also I don't think there will be a National ID card I'm against that and so are IMO 70 percent of all Americans. Don't go thinking every idea you hear is going to become the law of the land. We still have Congress we can lobby to stop things we don't like, the immigration bill comes to mind.

I for one will not go along with a national id card or and radio chip implanted on Americans.

[tsiguy96]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Who is advocating radio frequency chips? Also I don't think there will be a National ID card I'm against that and so are IMO 70 percent of all Americans. Don't go thinking every idea you hear is going to become the law of the land. We still have Congress we can lobby to stop things we don't like, the immigration bill comes to mind.

I for one will not go along with a national id card or and radio chip implanted on Americans.

the fact that they are being introduced into congress and our moronic president has agreed to sign the bill stating them is a start. the lack of any sort of public outcry to stop the govt from giving itself more power is another step in the wrong direction.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Who is advocating radio frequency chips?

Your party!

In a vote that largely divided along party lines, the U.S. House of Representatives approved a Republican-backed measure that would compel states to design their driver's licenses by 2008 to comply with federal antiterrorist standards. Federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to everything from airplanes to national parks and some courthouses.

The congressional maneuvering takes place as governments are growing more interested in implanting technology in ID cards to make them smarter and more secure. The U.S. State Department soon will begin issuing passports with radio frequency identification, or RFID, chips embedded in them, and Virginia may become the first state to glue RFID tags into all its driver's licenses.

http://www.news.com/National-ID-card...3-5573414.html

House backs major shift to electronic IDs

The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver's licenses.

Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver's licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined "machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements" that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation.

http://www.news.com/House-backs-majo...html?tag=st.nl

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So much for the GOP being the "states' rights" party, eh?

[cutthemdown]

Oh ok that isn't what I thought you were talking about. I thought you meant the were going to put chips in our bodies etc. This would be like a smart drivers liceanse that when scanned would tell authorites your record right? who you are etc. I don't have a problem with that really. I still don't like the National ID card though because then I have to have my drivers liceanse and my national id and my passport. It's just too much to keep track of. As long as the radio chips only send info when scanned its not so bad. Now if they transmit where I am all the time I have a big problem with that.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

the govt has everyone in this country so scared of terrorists that they feel they will do whatever they want without limits, its just ridiculous. "well it will help stop terrorism"

BULL****!
terrorism is NOT a threat to this country, no one is going to try to dismantle the unarguably strongest country in the world. if someone wants to blow him and a dozen other people up, there is no way we can stop it. national ID cards, radio frequency chips, super power govt authority, all this does nothing except intrude on the lives of the average citizen and does nothing to keep them secure.

its almost sickening to see how much power the govt is giving itself and how willing people are to accept it in the name of preventing terrorism.

Great post, new guy

Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

To offer some real-world experience, I just took a train 1,200 miles up the coast, and they barely give a flip about IDs. And the only card I've ever shown to enter a federal courthouse - and even then only very rarely - is my ABA Bar card.




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[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

btw i wonder how many more times guliani can mention 9/11 in the next 2 weeks. the republican party makes me sick, im glad ron paul is there pissing them all off, he will single handedly keep them out of office.

Basically any sentence that Giuliani speaks consists of a noun, a verb, and 9/11.

[gunns]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Who is advocating radio frequency chips? Also I don't think there will be a National ID card I'm against that and so are IMO 70 percent of all Americans. Don't go thinking every idea you hear is going to become the law of the land. We still have Congress we can lobby to stop things we don't like, the immigration bill comes to mind.

I for one will not go along with a national id card or and radio chip implanted on Americans.

While I think the majority of Americans, including me, would agree with you on this I find it extremely short sighted to think that just because the majority of Americans are against something or for something, it won't or will happen. The last 8 years have made it quite clear that this is no longer a government for the people, of the people, or especially by the people.

[gunns]

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

the govt has everyone in this country so scared of terrorists that they feel they will do whatever they want without limits, its just ridiculous. "well it will help stop terrorism"

BULL****!
terrorism is NOT a threat to this country, no one is going to try to dismantle the unarguably strongest country in the world. if someone wants to blow him and a dozen other people up, there is no way we can stop it. national ID cards, radio frequency chips, super power govt authority, all this does nothing except intrude on the lives of the average citizen and does nothing to keep them secure.

its almost sickening to see how much power the govt is giving itself and how willing people are to accept it in the name of preventing terrorism.

I don't for a minute think our government is afraid of terroism. It's being used as a way to achieve their means. They are counting on us being the one's that are afraid.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Also I don't think there will be a National ID card I'm against that and so are IMO 70 percent of all Americans.

The REAL ID Act of 2005 has already passed. A Federal ID card is already law. They've delayed its implementation until Jan 1, 2010. Basically, we've got two years before this goes into full effect. Some states are fighting it, but the federal government is simply taking the position "feel free to do so, but state drivers liscences that do not comply cannot be accepted for any Federal identification purpose." IE. No social security, no welfare. People will revolt once these payments stop being made, and state politicians will have no choice but to relent to the people's demands to "get right" with the federal ID.

This is no conspiracy theory. This is law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act


Most of the candidates are in favor of this. There is one, however... not so much.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by gunns

I don't for a minute think our government is afraid of terroism. It's being used as a way to achieve their means. They are counting on us being the one's that are afraid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...122901736.html

[cutthemdown]

So basically it's just a different state ID? Or will I have to have one state id, and then a national id also? As long as I only need one ID I won't care much but it would suck to have to have a state id, a national id, a passport and a partridge in a pear tree. Also I don't care if future id's have some sort of chip inside that can be readable, as long as it doesn't store where I have been or transmit where I am etc.

I can undertand why people don't like it though and I don't blame you. All I can say is write your congressman and senators, gov etc and complain. Outside of that I don't know.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Taco John

The REAL ID Act of 2005 has already passed. A Federal ID card is already law.

Yep.

The GOP Congress was able to slip the act past the American people in 2005 by attaching it to the "Emergency Supplemental Appropriation for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005" (H.R. 1268, P.L. 109-13).

[tsiguy96]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Yep.

The GOP Congress was able to slip the act past the American people in 2005 by attaching it to the "Emergency Supplemental Appropriation for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005" (H.R. 1268, P.L. 109-13).

its sick that they would do that. the law HAD to pass, democrats could not vote no to it, if they did they would vote no to sending money that would be used directly on the troops as well to help them.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Taco John

The REAL ID Act of 2005 has already passed. A Federal ID card is already law. They've delayed its implementation until Jan 1, 2010. Basically, we've got two years before this goes into full effect. Some states are fighting it, but the federal government is simply taking the position "feel free to do so, but state drivers liscences that do not comply cannot be accepted for any Federal identification purpose." IE. No social security, no welfare. People will revolt once these payments stop being made, and state politicians will have no choice but to relent to the people's demands to "get right" with the federal ID.

This is no conspiracy theory. This is law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act


Most of the candidates are in favor of this. There is one, however... not so much.

Who, who, Taco? Who's the candidate against it?

Actually, there WILL BE massive citizen campaigns to alter and/or deactivate the RFID component, you can bet the mortgage on that. As sure as I'm sitting here, there will be viral Web info on how to alter the RFID so that it gives faulty info, and/or how to deactivate it altogether.

[baja]

If the American people accept this than I will really become an expat in heart mind & spirit because the country I know and love will be dead.