I know most of us here are draft junkies but......

[iforgotmypassword]

alot of us are seriously talking about trading Champ Bailey. Wow.

I'm just curious as to who all here would actually do it.

My vote goes to trading him ****ONLY**** with the attention of trading up for Mcfadden

[iforgotmypassword]

another thought.... what if we trade him straight up with NE, they release Samuel and we pick him up.... that would be f'ing amazing, get younger with almost zero drop off at corner, and pick up Mcfadden

[lex]

My vote goes for going after McFadden with additional layer(s). I think trading Champ is a good idea on its own merit even without getting McFadden. A cornerback is only as good as the front 7 will allow him to be. I love Champ but trading him gives us too much flexibility to address a variety of issues.

People may want to say that a running back is only as good as his blockers. This is only somewhat true. Its true up until the RB breaks in the secondary. Selvin Young has been sprung to the next level several times so he has had more long runs (far more than Henry) but he hasnt really been able to finish. McFadden will turn the 3 yard runs into 5 yard runs, the 7 yard runs into 12 yard runs and the 20 yard runs into 60 yard runs. He has the speed and an incredible stiff arm. He is an attitude player who will make attitude plays that will affect how other guys on the offense play.

But yeah, Im in the camp that says we should take that says go after McFadden. We need to address the offensive line and have a great running game again. Again, cornerback is only as effective as the front 7 allows them to be....additionally, we need to worry just as much about our worst corner as much as we do our best...probably more.

We also have one of the great young QBs in this game and the best way to help him is by giving him a running game. It would truly be pick your poison. And last of all, I think there is a bigger drop off between McFadden and the second best RB than there is between the best LB and the next best LB.

BTW, Im sure some of the more discerning draft junkies will probably disapprove of this move and will cite "needs" which can be translated as "Ive read up on several players and multiple draft picks allows me to demonstrate my familiarity with the draft and those in it." But really, there is such a thing as being too clever.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63804

Stupid idea - again!

[lex]

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63804

Stupid idea - again!

Yawn

[SoCalBronco]

If we were in really bad shape, I would be in favor of this, because we would know that by the time we got things going, he would definitely be in the downside, but I don't think we are in that bad shape. We have a very strong base established already...we have a franchise QB, a pro bowl caliber WR, another pro bowl caliber WR when healthy, two very useful TEs, a decent young interior line and some decent backs. We have already injected the DL with a good deal of young, solid talent at DE, we have a young, very athletic and able LB and are very deep at corner. There is a foundation here, we are also well under the cap for the first time in a long time, so it will not take a whole lot to turn things around, IMO, we can get back to the Super Bowl in 2 years and back to the playoffs next year..., so there is no reason to completely tear everything apart and trade him, although I do see where lex is coming from.

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

If we were in really bad shape, I would be in favor of this, because we would know that by the time we got things going, he would definitely be in the downside, but I don't think we are in that bad shape. We have a very strong base established already...we have a franchise QB, a pro bowl caliber WR, another pro bowl caliber WR when healthy, two very useful TEs, a decent young interior line and some decent backs. We have already injected the DL with a good deal of young, solid talent at DE, we have a young, very athletic and able LB and are very deep at corner. There is a foundation here, we are also well under the cap for the first time in a long time, so it will not take a whole lot to turn things around, IMO, we can get back to the Super Bowl in 2 years and back to the playoffs next year..., so there is no reason to completely tear everything apart and trade him, although I do see where lex is coming from.

I voted for 2 Firsts and it pained me I love McFadden. I think we have too many holes we need to bolster OL and DL or LB positions. I do not think Shanny is good enough to bolster a team in 1 or 2 offseasons unless all our moves work out which isn't likely. I like the young corps we have but, we have tons of work to do.

I think we are very weak at DT MLB OLB S both T spots and we need a WR and another RB.

Do you think we can make the playoffs in 08 if we just bolstered OL and DT positions?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by lex

Yawn

When I first saw your posts, I was sure Majicman was back with a new username. It's painfully obvious that cannot be the case as he knew 10 times what you do about the game of football.

[lex]

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

When I first saw your posts, I was sure Majicman was back with a new username. It's painfully obvious that cannot be the case as he knew 10 times what you do about the game of football.

Run along, troll.

[Broncos_OTM]

I am not as high on Dmac as i am on AP last year....i think we could find a RB at our pick if we wanted to go that route. that kid from Illinois should be pretty decent.

[Ratboy]

He's not going anywhere. He's the best defensive player in the league and you just don't trade that away for 2 unproven 1st round picks.

You guys are dumb.

[Ratboy]

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

When I first saw your posts, I was sure Majicman was back with a new username. It's painfully obvious that cannot be the case as he knew 10 times what you do about the game of football.

Post of the week!

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by lex

Run along, troll.

You of all people here saying that is, how do I put it? Rich!

[Northman]

RB is not a priority for this team.

[ohiobronco2]

I wouldn't trade Champ Bailey for one night with Jessica Simpson, Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel.

[ohiobronco2]

Originally Posted by Anubis

RB is not a priority for this team.

DING DING DING. What do we have for them Johnny. Exactly. If you improve the blockers in front of the RB, the RB's job becomes much easier. While Travis Henry is a worthless human being, with a decent offensive line, he can be a red zone back. I think we can hold off one more year, with the RB talent we have now. Some pretty good backs are going to be free agents in a few years I believe (Steven Jackson and Brandon Jacobs) and depending on what Junior RB's come out this year, next year will be much deeper. Let's atleast see who is going to come out. I mean currently we are pretty sure that McFadden is coming out because his mother has said so, but no other Junior RB's have officially declared and the top senior is Mike Hart.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

I voted for 2 Firsts and it pained me I love McFadden. I think we have too many holes we need to bolster OL and DL or LB positions. I do not think Shanny is good enough to bolster a team in 1 or 2 offseasons unless all our moves work out which isn't likely. I like the young corps we have but, we have tons of work to do.

I think we are very weak at DT MLB OLB S both T spots and we need a WR and another RB.

Do you think we can make the playoffs in 08 if we just bolstered OL and DT positions?

I agree. Sorry, but this team needs help all over. Everywhere.
Theres the usual homers though that will say having Champ makes this team really good, but so far thats been BS. DEN has done jack squat since Champ got here and no one here can prove me otherwise.
Oh ive heard all about the reg season win %, or the cool picks he makes here and there and i can appreciate them as much as the next fan.
All i ever hear are excuses about some other player that didnt do there job or a INT in 1 playoff game which was meaningless since the next game was a embarassing loss.
Sorry but the CB is only as good as the Front 7 on defense and this team needs help there bad. No, not 1 guy here or there, but at least 3 players to "begin to right the ship".
The only way this team can begin to rebuild, and yes, this team is in a rebuilding mode, only many here are just in denial, is to get as many top picks as possible in a very talent heavy draft, and start building!
This is becoming very evident as Shenigans has made it clear that he's cutting heads and just looking for any reason to get rid of players.
Its called rebuilding and Darren McFadden is the best possible foundation along with Cutler and Marshall.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

If we were in really bad shape, I would be in favor of this, because we would know that by the time we got things going, he would definitely be in the downside, but I don't think we are in that bad shape. We have a very strong base established already...we have a franchise QB, a pro bowl caliber WR, another pro bowl caliber WR when healthy, two very useful TEs, a decent young interior line and some decent backs. We have already injected the DL with a good deal of young, solid talent at DE, we have a young, very athletic and able LB and are very deep at corner. There is a foundation here, we are also well under the cap for the first time in a long time, so it will not take a whole lot to turn things around, IMO, we can get back to the Super Bowl in 2 years and back to the playoffs next year..., so there is no reason to completely tear everything apart and trade him, although I do see where lex is coming from.

Basically DEN doesnt need to draft a QB, TE, DE or CB (yet) but every other position needs to be addressed right?

Thats called rebuilding!

[ohiobronco2]

Originally Posted by socalorado

I agree. Sorry, but this team needs help all over. Everywhere.
Theres the usual homers though that will say having Champ makes this team really good, but so far thats been BS. DEN has done jack squat since Champ got here and no one here can prove me otherwise.
Oh ive heard all about the reg season win %, or the cool picks he makes here and there and i can appreciate them as much as the next fan.
All i ever hear are excuses about some other player that didnt do there job or a INT in 1 playoff game which was meaningless since the next game was a embarassing loss.
Sorry but the CB is only as good as the Front 7 on defense and this team needs help there bad. No, not 1 guy here or there, but at least 3 players to "begin to right the ship".
The only way this team can begin to rebuild, and yes, this team is in a rebuilding mode, only many here are just in denial, is to get as many top picks as possible in a very talent heavy draft, and start building!
This is becoming very evident as Shenigans has made it clear that he's cutting heads and just looking for any reason to get rid of players.
Its called rebuilding and Darren McFadden is the best possible foundation along with Cutler and Marshall.

Yeah it's a brilliant move to trade an all pro defensive player in the prime of his career to take a gamble in the nfl draft. I'm a big CHAMP fan, but unless the offer really blows me away, I'm not going to trade him. If you trade champ thats just another hole you have to fill. If you have a leak you just don't keep moving the plug around, you leave the plug in one place and go out and get more plugs. The Draft is a crap shoot. I would have to get at a min 7 first day picks for Champ and that means atleast 3 first round picks.

[lex]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

You of all people here saying that is, how do I put it? Rich!

Once again you put your ignorance on full display. The whole premise for that other thread was to attack people who think its more beneficial to have a higher draft pick. Its the other way around. You're confused.

[lex]

Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

DING DING DING. What do we have for them Johnny. Exactly. If you improve the blockers in front of the RB, the RB's job becomes much easier. While Travis Henry is a worthless human being, with a decent offensive line, he can be a red zone back. I think we can hold off one more year, with the RB talent we have now. Some pretty good backs are going to be free agents in a few years I believe (Steven Jackson and Brandon Jacobs) and depending on what Junior RB's come out this year, next year will be much deeper. Let's atleast see who is going to come out. I mean currently we are pretty sure that McFadden is coming out because his mother has said so, but no other Junior RB's have officially declared and the top senior is Mike Hart.

You need to lay off the game shows. Really.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by lex

Once again you put your ignorance on full display. The whole premise for that other thread was to attack people who think its more beneficial to have a higher draft pick. Its the other way around. You're confused.

You are a moronic idiot. Go back to the kiddy board where you belong

[lex]

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

You are a moronic idiot. Go back to the kiddy board where you belong

You're a dumb stupid guy.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

Yeah it's a brilliant move to trade an all pro defensive player in the prime of his career to take a gamble in the nfl draft. I'm a big CHAMP fan, but unless the offer really blows me away, I'm not going to trade him. If you trade champ thats just another hole you have to fill. If you have a leak you just don't keep moving the plug around, you leave the plug in one place and go out and get more plugs. The Draft is a crap shoot. I would have to get at a min 7 first day picks for Champ and that means atleast 3 first round picks.

I am a big champ fan too! Who ISNT a big champ fan Big Deal! Put down the homer cape for a second.
The drafts a gamble huh?? Well its also the best way this team is going to begin rebuilding.
Your theory is to still use the draft and try to find a way to plug the holes right?!?!? At least you've taken the 1st step out of denial! DEN has a lot of holes to fill!!
Moving the plug around huh?
My mock hypothetically of course has DEN "plugging" a **** load of holes,(and YES they have a **** load!) in 2 drafts. (The 1st draft is on another thread)
I have DEN getting 2 1st round picks straight up for Champ.
DEN would have 2 1st rounders over the next 2 years to address the rebuilding phase of the team.

[ohiobronco2]

Originally Posted by socalorado

I am a big champ fan too! Who ISNT a big champ fan Big Deal! Put down the homer cape for a second.
The drafts a gamble huh?? Well its also the best way this team is going to begin rebuilding.
Your theory is to still use the draft and try to find a way to plug the holes right?!?!? At least you've taken the 1st step out of denial! DEN has a lot of holes to fill!!
Moving the plug around huh?
My mock hypothetically of course has DEN "plugging" a **** load of holes,(and YES they have a **** load!) in 2 drafts. (The 1st draft is on another thread)
I have DEN getting 2 1st round picks straight up for Champ.
DEN would have 2 1st rounders over the next 2 years to address the rebuilding phase of the team.

I understand what your saying. I'm in agreement that the draft is the best way to cure many of our problems instead of the FA route which didn't help us this previous offseason. But, I'm not going to trade away our all pro cornerback unless the deal is incredibly sweet and to me that is more than 2 first round picks. Now if nearly all of the Juniors that are out there that are great prospects declare and there is a great cornerback options in FA who fit the mold of a Champ Bailey, fine I'd consider it. But I don't see all of those stars aligning. Plus, let's all be honest here, we don't have an excellent draft record with the exception of the 2006 class. We need to keep Shanahan the coach and find someone a little better at evaluating overall talent.