FBI Now Admits Evidence Used to Connect Oswald to Kennedy Assasination Was Bogus ;)

[alkemical]

FBI Now Admits Evidence Used to Connect Oswald to Kennedy Assasination Was Bogus

The front page of the Sunday Washington Post features, "FBI Forensic Test Full of Holes." It claims that hundreds of defendants sitting in prisons nationwide have been convicted with the help of an FBI forensic tool that has been found to be completely full of inconsistent results and has actually been discarded by the FBI for such reasons more than two years ago. But the FBI lab has failed to take or attempt to alert any of the affected defendants or courts, even though the window for appealing convictions is closing.

As early as 1991, the FBI conducted studies on the reliability of the "bullet-lead" analysis used to connect bullets found at the scene of a crime to bullets in thepossession of a suspect. The studies found that lead composition of bullets in the same box didn't always match, which should have been a sign that the test was completely unreliable. Further analysis discovered that bullets packaged15 months apart in different areas of the country in different boxes, unexpectedly matched - a gap the forensic testing originally claimed had different bullet lead make-up.

The Innocence Project is a group of individuals who have committed their time and finances to investigate claims of innocence in convicted cases where DNA testing was never available. To date, over 200 individuals have been set free due to the DNA analysis of many rape cases confirming that the child born from a rape victim's DNA didn't match the accused and convicted individual. Hopefully, they will pick this flawed forensic test up and begin to look at the tens of thousands of people estimated to have been placed in prison solely on this bogus "bullet-lead analysis."

This is just the tip of the iceberg. The test, now confirmed by the FBI's own admittance, has actually been used to connect people to crimes they never committed. The test was first initiated and used on July 8, 1964 by order of J Edgar Hoover for the Warren Commission to connect Lee Harvey Oswald to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy. Throughout the following decades, this same test has been used to convict civil rights activists and gang members, many of which have maintained their "innocence."

The forensic test was the only major connection Oswald had to the actual scene of the crime. For Kennedy assasination researchers, this is a big leap. For years, the only evidence outside this forensic connection has been completely circumstantial. Oswald never confessed to the murder and actually stated to the public that he believed he was being made a patsy. Oswald was only picked up because an APB had been ordered in Dallas in his description, even though no one saw the shooter.

Oswald maintained that he had gone down to the parade to see the President's motorcade pass, as did everyone, when he was working that day. A famous picture surfaced that many researchers believe identifies Oswald in the doorway of the School Book Depository as the motorcade passed and was not in the sixth-floor window as he was accused to have been.

The interrogation which took place for several hours was not recorded, a violation of standard operating procedure. Oswald was murdered the next morning on live television while being transported in the parking garage at the local jail. Jack Ruby, the man who shot Oswald, was a major mafia/CIA connected nightclub owner and hated Kennedy with a passion. Kennedy's younger brother, Bobby Kennedy, was mounting a large scale war against organized crime, even though the Kennedy's had used the mafia in voter fraud crimes to get elected. The Kennedy empire was built from bootleging alcohol in an organized crime syndicate that Joe Kennedy, John and Bobby's father, ran with connections to Al Capone. Of the many odd factors in the assasination of the former president, it turns out Jack Ruby ran bootleging in Chicago for crime boss Al Capone in his early years as well.

[TheDave]

I'm tellin' ya, it was the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll

[Rigs11]

nothing to see here people..move along..

[The Lone Bolt]

JFK was killed by MINI-NUKES!!!

(just really really tiny mini-nukes!)

[Old Dude]

How do we know for sure that it was really JFK who was killed? Maybe Oswald was having an affair with Jackie, and JFK disguised himself as a grassy knoll, and tried to shoot Jackie with mini-nukes, but they missed and hit Oswald instead? And then they used all their trick photography stuff including the manufacture of Oswald's supposed murder of a police officer less than an hour later and his armed resistance of arrest less than 30 minutes after that.

Because, after all, Oswald never did confess, and if he really did shoot JFK, then he would certainly have confessed (because all murderers always confess at the earliest opportunity) and we'd have it on tape too.

[The Lone Bolt]

Originally Posted by Old Dude

How do we know for sure that it was really JFK who was killed? Maybe Oswald was having an affair with Jackie, and JFK disguised himself as a grassy knoll, and tried to shoot Jackie with mini-nukes, but they missed and hit Oswald instead? And then they used all their trick photography stuff including the manufacture of Oswald's supposed murder of a police officer less than an hour later and his armed resistance of arrest less than 30 minutes after that.

Because, after all, Oswald never did confess, and if he really did shoot JFK, then he would certainly have confessed (because all murderers always confess at the earliest opportunity) and we'd have it on tape too.

You've solved the case! Well done!!!

[baja]

I think I still have a half a case of old "Question Authority" bumper stickers left over from the 60's out in the garage. I'll send each of you one, you could use the reminder.

[The Lone Bolt]

Originally Posted by baja

I think I still have a half a case of old "Question Authority" bumper stickers left over from the 60's out in the garage. I'll send each of you one, you could use the reminder.

Do you have any "Question Paranoid Conspiracy Theories" bumper stickers?

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Do you have any "Question Paranoid Conspiracy Theories" bumper stickers?

I don't think those would of been a big seller in the 60's...

on the other hand, I wonder if he has any "No mini-nukes" stickers

[baja]

Amazing how otherwise smart people can think there is no dark force out there that might be forwarding an agenda contrary to what is good for the general population. The brain washing has successfully gone through a double spin cycle an is now being hung out to dry I guess.

These explanations would not have been so readily accepted in the sixties, maybe there is something in the water now.

[DomCasual]

I find it hard to believe that the FBI would ever lie to us.

[baja]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

I find it hard to believe that the FBI would ever lie to us.

Wasn't J Eager Hoover an eagle scout?

[DomCasual]

Originally Posted by baja

Wasn't J Eager Hoover an eagle scout?

I don't know. I saw a show the other night that said he was a Mason. And there were always rumors that he was gay (not that there's anything wrong with that).

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by baja

Amazing how otherwise smart people can think there is no dark force out there that might be forwarding an agenda contrary to what is good for the general population. The brain washing has successfully gone through a double spin cycle an is now being hung out to dry I guess.

These explanations would not have been so readily accepted in the sixties, maybe there is something in the water now.

Also, why were/are the records "sealed" for like 100 years?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Do you have any "Question Paranoid Conspiracy Theories" bumper stickers?

I'll bet a child of the Reagan revolution like you has a few of those tucked away somewhere (probably right next to the "government is the problem" stickers.)

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by baja

Amazing how otherwise smart people can think there is no dark force out there that might be forwarding an agenda contrary to what is good for the general population. The brain washing has successfully gone through a double spin cycle an is now being hung out to dry I guess.

These explanations would not have been so readily accepted in the sixties, maybe there is something in the water now.

Maybe some people are just too smart for their own good. Or at least
have too big an imagination. I'll concede it does take a bit of thinking
to come up with some of the wild, convoluted tales being spun
about how Kennedy was supposedly killed.
If I am allowed to do a bit of thinking too, I think the problem
a lot of people have is that Kennedy was a very charming man who
was stirring the pot. And he has grown larger than life in his death,
a hero to many people, almost a god-like figure.
So to many people it just seems inconceivable that a nothing,
a nobody like Lee Harvey Oswald could take a rifle, hide in the upper
floor of a building, and kill a god.
But Kennedy was just a man and Oswald was a man who knew
how to shoot and had a very easy shot that any of use who know
how to handle a gun could make.
So for a smart person, the easy answer is just that, too easy.
Thus the brain gets no challenge accepting that and must get
more exercise by dreaming up wild scenarios filled with CIA
agents and Commies and Mafia gangsters and FBI labs cooking
the evidence and other stuff you'd find in a Tom Clancy novel.

[SoCalBronco]

Water is wet.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

FBI Now Admits Evidence Used to Connect Oswald to Kennedy Assasination Was Bogus

Oswald was murdered the next morning on live television while being transported in the parking garage at the local jail. Jack Ruby, the man who shot Oswald, was a major mafia/CIA connected nightclub owner

Not true. Ruby was a mafia wanna-be that the mafia regarded as a bit of
a joke.

and hated Kennedy with a passion.

Again not true. Ruby loved Jack Kennedy an became irate when Oswald
killed Kennedy. That's why Ruby killed Oswald. There have been numerous
interviews of strippers who worked for Ruby who have testified to this.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Maybe some people are just too smart for their own good. Or at least
have too big an imagination. I'll concede it does take a bit of thinking
to come up with some of the wild, convoluted tales being spun
about how Kennedy was supposedly killed.
If I am allowed to do a bit of thinking too, I think the problem
a lot of people have is that Kennedy was a very charming man who
was stirring the pot. And he has grown larger than life in his death,
a hero to many people, almost a god-like figure.
So to many people it just seems inconceivable that a nothing,
a nobody like Lee Harvey Oswald could take a rifle, hide in the upper
floor of a building, and kill a god.
But Kennedy was just a man and Oswald was a man who knew
how to shoot and had a very easy shot that any of use who know
how to handle a gun could make.
So for a smart person, the easy answer is just that, too easy.
Thus the brain gets no challenge accepting that and must get
more exercise by dreaming up wild scenarios filled with CIA
agents and Commies and Mafia gangsters and FBI labs cooking
the evidence and other stuff you'd find in a Tom Clancy novel.

By the way BB I watched that video you linked in the other thread regarding this.... Very good interview and that guy seriously knows his stuff. I was struck by the fact that the majority of the Conspiracy Theories were nothing more than completely fabricated stories that had no basis in fact... magic bullet, Oswald wasn't a good shot, Kennedy's head moved "back and to the left", etc.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by baja

Amazing how otherwise smart people can think there is no dark force out there that might be forwarding an agenda contrary to what is good for the general population. The brain washing has successfully gone through a double spin cycle an is now being hung out to dry I guess.

These explanations would not have been so readily accepted in the sixties, maybe there is something in the water now.

no...there was somewthing in the water back then...I believe it was called Ell Ess Dee

[mhgaffney]

something in the water -- like LSD -- could expain Bronco Bob's posts on this issue.

Intelligent people can and do disagree -- however, Bob's above post is not intelligent. In fact, several others are in the same category.

Bob, check out the following scientific paper published in 2001 -- an acoustic study of the various tapes recorded on Nov 22 1963 at Dealey Plaza. The authors concluded from the evidence that five shots were fired that day -- which means there had to be at least two shooters. By definition this means it was a conspiracy.

What I'd like t know is why all of you knee jerks are so quick to swallow whatever your government tells you. Like a bunch of force fed idiots.

As Michael Moore put it: "I don't believe any of those crazy wacked out conspiracy theories -- that is -- except for the ones that are correct.."

Here are the details:

D.B Thomas, "Echo correlation analysis and the acoustic evidence in the Kennedy assassination revisited," Science and Justice 41 (2001): 21-32.

[TheDave]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...indexed=google

We have revisited the acoustic evidence in the Kennedy assassination--recordings of the two Dallas police radio channels upon which our original NRC report (Ramsey NF et al., Report of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics. National Research Council (US). Washington: National Academy Press, 1982. Posted at http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10264.html) was based--in response to the assertion by DB Thomas (Echo correlation analysis and the acoustic evidence in the Kennedy assassination revisited. Science and Justice 2001; 41: 21-32) that alleged gunshot sounds (on Channel 1), apparently recorded from a motorcycle officer's stuck-open microphone, occur at the exact time of the assassination (as established by emergency communications on Channel 2). We have critically reviewed these two publications, and have performed additional analyses. In particular we have used recorded 60 Hz hum and correlation methods to obtain accurate speed calibrations for recordings made on both channels, cepstral analysis to seek instances of repeated segments during playback of Channel 2 (which could result from groove jumping), and spectrographic and correlation methods to analyze instances of putative crosstalk used to synchronize the two channels. This paper identifies serious errors in the Thomas paper and corrects errors in the NRC report. We reaffirm the earlier conclusion of the NRC report that the alleged "shot" sounds were recorded approximately one minute after the assassination.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

something in the water -- like LSD -- could expain Bronco Bob's posts on this issue.

Intelligent people can and do disagree -- however, Bob's above post is not intelligent. In fact, several others are in the same category.

That's rich, coming from Captain Mini-nukes.

Bob, check out the following scientific paper published in 2001 -- an acoustic study of the various tapes recorded on Nov 22 1963 at Dealey Plaza. The authors concluded from the evidence that five shots were fired that day -- which means there had to be at least two shooters.

Other analysis has proven this to be false.

[Rohirrim]

"I find this discussion... interesting."

[Spider]

we all know al Davis was the shooter from the Grassy knoll .....