What were the comments on Cutler's release time? - The Orange Mane

The MVPlaya · 12-14-2007, 02:33 AM

I missed the segment on this... how fast is his release and how does it compare with the greats?

Kaylore · 12-14-2007, 02:36 AM

They timed his release with Elway's and Elway apparently has a .7 of a millisecond on Cutler. They also said Cutler needs to work on this, though why they are worried about this I have no idea. It's not like his passes are getting hit out of his hands during throws. Cutler's release is the least of my worries. It's not even slow by NFL standards.

The MVPlaya · 12-14-2007, 02:39 AM

Do you have the exact time?

Wait .7 MILLISECOND? Or .7 second? Say Elways release was 1.0 second(s)...Jay's would be 1.7 seconds?

Vegas_Bronco · 12-14-2007, 02:45 AM

Will Demps could have had a nice night on Cutler! 2 dropped INTs.

Kaylore · 12-14-2007, 02:45 AM

No I believe it was 3 milliseconds for Elway and 3.7 for Cutler. It was kind of a dumb segment. It's like they were looking for things for Cutler to work on and that's what they decided "he needs to work on." I thought it was lame.

Now Phillip Rivers, you know the one with the vaunted "quick release", well if he as to throw it further than fifteen yards he has to wind up like he's tossing a javelin. That has to be the longest release in the NFL next to Byron Leftwich's.

BowlenBall · 12-14-2007, 02:46 AM

I believe they said the difference was .30 seconds (Elway) vs. .37 seconds (Cutler).

Although they should measure Elway's release time from that little hand pat he always gave the ball right before he let it rip...

The MVPlaya · 12-14-2007, 02:49 AM

Aaron Brooks had a long release too...his was pretty bad. Yeah Rivers wind up is pretty pitiful for an NFL QB.

I remember the segmant last year or the year before...Bulger has the quickest in the NFL...Marino had the quickest ever though.

Kaylore · 12-14-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ExpatFan

I believe they said the difference was .30 seconds (Elway) vs. .37 seconds (Cutler).

Although they should measure Elway's release time from that little hand pat he always gave the ball right before he let it rip...

That's a good point on the ball slap. And thanks for the correction on the time.

Anyway the point is that unless you're molasses slow, ball release isn't important so long as your decision making speed is ok. If you know what your doing and have a that internal clock working, the actual speed that your arm moves isn't a huge deal. Peyton Manning likes to keep his really short to limit defenders' reaction time, but overall it's not a big deal. Look how much that pump hurt Elway's career!

The MVPlaya · 12-14-2007, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

That's a good point on the ball slap. And thanks for the correction on the time.

Anyway the point is that unless you're molasses slow, ball release isn't important so long as your decision making speed is ok. If you know what your doing and have a that internal clock working, the actual speed that your arm moves isn't a huge deal. Peyton Manning likes to keep his really short to limit defenders' reaction time, but overall it's not a big deal. Look how much that pump hurt Elway's career!

Exactly..it's not a big deal. If you can make your decisions quicker and TIME things correctly, it will help you overcome any deficiency of arm speed, which Cutler really doesn't have.

However, the velocity of his throws are worth that extra time he needs to take...even though that time isn't even bad by any means.

yavoon · 12-14-2007, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExpatFan

I believe they said the difference was .30 seconds (Elway) vs. .37 seconds (Cutler).

Although they should measure Elway's release time from that little hand pat he always gave the ball right before he let it rip...

yah you gotta count the handpat.

and I put troy smith and byron leftwich both have insanely long releases.

Cito Pelon · 12-16-2007, 07:35 PM

Release time is a big deal. Cutler has a horrible windup, plus a low release point. Generally, QB's with a windup like that go the way of Aaron Brooks.

TheDave · 12-16-2007, 07:39 PM

They had one of those guys calling the game on 950 TheFan... according to him all the great ones were between .30 and .40 so my guess is he will be alright.

Cito Pelon · 12-16-2007, 07:48 PM

There's times I've seen Cutler throw without the windup. But that is his basic throwing motion. He needs to work on that as well as his footwork.

12-14-2007, 02:33 AM	#1
The MVPlaya Denver Broncos out with the old, IN WITH THE NEW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5,384	What were the comments on Cutler's release time? I missed the segment on this... how fast is his release and how does it compare with the greats?

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Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,049 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	No I believe it was 3 milliseconds for Elway and 3.7 for Cutler. It was kind of a dumb segment. It's like they were looking for things for Cutler to work on and that's what they decided "he needs to work on." I thought it was lame. Now Phillip Rivers, you know the one with the vaunted "quick release", well if he as to throw it further than fifteen yards he has to wind up like he's tossing a javelin. That has to be the longest release in the NFL next to Byron Leftwich's. Last edited by Kaylore; 12-14-2007 at 02:58 AM..

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12-14-2007, 02:36 AM	#2
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,049 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	They timed his release with Elway's and Elway apparently has a .7 of a millisecond on Cutler. They also said Cutler needs to work on this, though why they are worried about this I have no idea. It's not like his passes are getting hit out of his hands during throws. Cutler's release is the least of my worries. It's not even slow by NFL standards.

12-14-2007, 02:39 AM	#3
The MVPlaya Denver Broncos out with the old, IN WITH THE NEW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5,384	Do you have the exact time? Wait .7 MILLISECOND? Or .7 second? Say Elways release was 1.0 second(s)...Jay's would be 1.7 seconds?

12-14-2007, 02:45 AM	#4
Vegas_Bronco Ring of Famer Fear is a lack of preparation. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 63 Yards Out Posts: 4,028 Adopt-a-Bronco: 1 Elam 1	Will Demps could have had a nice night on Cutler! 2 dropped INTs.

12-14-2007, 02:46 AM	#6
BowlenBall Owner. Philanthropist. Pimp. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 4,346 Adopt-a-Bronco: Lucas Reed	I believe they said the difference was .30 seconds (Elway) vs. .37 seconds (Cutler). Although they should measure Elway's release time from that little hand pat he always gave the ball right before he let it rip...

12-14-2007, 02:49 AM	#7
The MVPlaya Denver Broncos out with the old, IN WITH THE NEW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5,384	Aaron Brooks had a long release too...his was pretty bad. Yeah Rivers wind up is pretty pitiful for an NFL QB. I remember the segmant last year or the year before...Bulger has the quickest in the NFL...Marino had the quickest ever though.

12-16-2007, 07:35 PM	#11
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Release time is a big deal. Cutler has a horrible windup, plus a low release point. Generally, QB's with a windup like that go the way of Aaron Brooks.

12-16-2007, 07:39 PM	#12
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	They had one of those guys calling the game on 950 TheFan... according to him all the great ones were between .30 and .40 so my guess is he will be alright.

12-16-2007, 07:48 PM	#13
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,194 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	There's times I've seen Cutler throw without the windup. But that is his basic throwing motion. He needs to work on that as well as his footwork.