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Old 12-13-2007, 03:19 PM   #76
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:21 PM   #77
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I pulled up the PDF of the Mitchell Report and ran a search for some players names...

i found most of the ones i searched for but I didn't find Nomar Garciapara...

I searched "Nomar" and came up empty....

Does anyone know if he's on there?
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:21 PM   #78
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Doesn't matter...he's employed by a specific team and his findings cannot be treated as objective under any light.

True, but when a guy yells "water is wet" i usually believe him regardless of his employer...
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:23 PM   #79
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Must suck to be Ozzie Canseco. Your career sucked and your ballsack is smaller than it used to be. Was it worth it Ozzie?

Plus your brother is a douchebag and not giving you any book proceeds.
Jose and Ozzie are the perfect examples of the right and wrong way to use steriods.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:24 PM   #80
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These reports are not date specific, so Johnny Damon, and Nomaaah could very well have been juicing while on the Red Sox.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:27 PM   #81
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I pulled up the PDF of the Mitchell Report and ran a search for some players names...

i found most of the ones i searched for but I didn't find Nomar Garciapara...

I searched "Nomar" and came up empty....

Does anyone know if he's on there?
I don't think so
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:29 PM   #82
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Someone posted a list earlier and Nomaah was on there. It may not be an official list though.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:30 PM   #83
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Mike Hampton? He was even worse. He just threw in the towel after his first year here and showed up just to get his paycheck.
Well, it's like arguing what's worse - stepping in dog poo in your yard, or sitting in fresh vomit at the amusement park? But in this case, I'd have to stick with Neagle. Granted, his contract was about half that of Hampton's. But when you factor in the infamous $40 payment for, ahem, services, and that he was apparently pushing steroids on everyone he could find - well, he's the vomit on the seat of my pants, and I would much prefer to be scraping dog poo off the bottom of my shoe.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:31 PM   #84
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Someone posted a list earlier and Nomaah was on there. It may not be an official list though.
Yeah, I saw that list. It's the same list Bichette is on. It's BS.
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This doesn't mention Varitek ....I hope it's true!

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Email|Link By David Lefort, Boston.com Staff December 13, 2007 02:55 PM
A search of the Mitchell report on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball (read it here) found no mentions of current members of the Red Sox.
Former members of the Red Sox linked to performance-enhancing drugs in the report include Roger Clemens, Mo Vaughn, Eric Gagne, Brendan Donnelly, Steve Woodard, Jose Canseco, Manny Alexander, Paxton Crawford, Jeremy Giambi, Josias Manzanillo, Chris Donnels, Mike Lansing, Kent Mercker, and Mike Stanton.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:37 PM   #86
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The official list

Chad Allen
Manny Alexander
Rick Ankiel
Mike Bell
David Bell
Gary Bennett Jr.
Marvin Bernard
Larry Bigbie
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Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Ken Caminiti
Jose Canseco
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Paul Lo Duca
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Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews Jr.
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
David Naulty
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Jim Parque
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Adam Piatt
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Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
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Gary Scheffield
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Mike Stanton
Miguel Tejada
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Mo Vaugn
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Use your head. Of course the all time home run leader will take on greater scrutiny than some utility infielder. The sin is not just in using but in deliberately lying about it every chance he got and claiming that record was not tainted. So Bonds actually IS different than any other player in that respect.

We can agree, however, with that last statement.
I wouldn't have a problem with Bonds taking more heat than most other players. But the problem is that he took the bulk of the heat, by himself for the most part, while many pretty much got a free pass. Bonds should be in the group of guys who is talked about more, but there should not be one poster child of the steriods era. Bonds was given way more than his fair share of the heat.
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**** all them mother****ers. GRIFFEY KEPT IT PURE!
If Griff had used roids he would have been healthy like McGwire, and he would have smashed 70. I give him credit for not using...if he didn't actually use it.
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hmm, looks that Mr. Innocent asterik is on the list afterall!
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There's not one shocking name on that list. What Mitchell said today was nothing we already didn't know. All this hoopla is much ado about nothing.
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What in the sam hell are you talking about, son?
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I totally agree. I have never made the point that Bonds was innocent, or that he should be let off the hook. My points was always that it was unfair that he was the only one on the hook. Bonds got everything that he deserved, but all those other steroid users deserved it too. Most of them were let off the hook while Bonds took the bulk of the heat. The reasons for Bonds taking most of the heat were shakey at best. I'm not about to say it was because of race, but I'll just say that it certainly didn't help being black.

Oh please. Please dont become the new Footstool24. At least you used to keep it more objective than that ridiculous assclown. Bonds wasnt singled out because of his color. He was in the spotlight because of the record he was breaking, nothing more.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Bonds taking more heat than most other players. But the problem is that he took the bulk of the heat, by himself for the most part, while many pretty much got a free pass. Bonds should be in the group of guys who is talked about more, but there should not be one poster child of the steriods era. Bonds was given way more than his fair share of the heat.

This is not true. The Mitchell Report has been going on for the last 2 years because of the investigation. The FACT that Bonds admitted to "unknowingly" taking steriods and the FACT that he was about to break one of baseball's prominant records automatically put the pressure on himself. The only other names that had accusations of steroid use at the time when Bonds got discovered were those of players who were no longer in the league and at that point were irrelevant. Now, that the report is out you will see players on this list catch the heat. The list was never released until now so there was no one else to talk about but Bonds.
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I hope Gagne gets his money back for any steroids he bought for the '07 season.
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What in the sam hell are you talking about, son?
Someone here said earlier that barry lamar bonds wasn't on the list, so I was just contradicting that statement.

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Bonds wasnt singled out because of his color. He was in the spotlight because of the record he was breaking, nothing more.
Well I wouldn't go that far....but i do believe that Barry Bond's personality teamed with his gawdy record breaking numbers does obviously bring attention to him....deservingly so...i agree with you there

But if you're implying that color has no impact on this that would be a bit niave....
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I hope Gagne gets his money back for any steroids he bought for the '07 season.
Yeah, I think they were placebos.
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Doesn't matter...he's employed by a specific team and his findings cannot be treated as objective under any light.
I'm sure that you've passed judgement only after reading the 400+ page report. Or maybe in your extensive legal career you've developed an expertise around objectivity, and are in fact qualified to provide definitive statements without actual investigation.

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Well I wouldn't go that far....but i do believe that Barry Bond's personality teamed with his gawdy record breaking numbers does obviously bring attention to him....deservingly so...i agree with you there

But if you're implying that color has no impact on this that would be a bit niave....
Oh come on now, give me a ****ing break, don't turn this into a race thing now. Is Giambi black? No and he was grilled, he just admitted it and dealt with it, hence why you don't hear the lingering stories of it anymore. All of these mother ****ers are of different race, creed, religion, etc and should all get the same treatment.
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Well I wouldn't go that far....but i do believe that Barry Bond's personality teamed with his gawdy record breaking numbers does obviously bring attention to him....deservingly so...i agree with you there

But if you're implying that color has no impact on this that would be a bit niave....

It doesnt. Maybe Bonds attitude towards the whole ordeal and how he conducted himself as a person may have brought more scrutiny to himself. I would agree with that sentiment. But color was not a factor in this. Again, the fact that Bonds was going for a prominent record was his biggest achilles heal. And seeing how there were no other names released aside from players who were retired or irrelevant to the league added the fuel to the Bonds spotlight. It doesnt matter who on this website or in society "thought" were on steroids, what matters is who was on the report. But there was never a name leaked out aside from a rumor here or rumor there. But you can bet your ass that with the report being out now no one will get a so-called "free pass". If McGwire was still in the league playing he would be right on that mantle next to Bonds right now. But, he is out of the league so therefore irrelevant to what was going on the baseball field.
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