|12-10-2007, 01:05 PM||#1|
Join Date: Dec 2002
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WTF is it with these nutcases?
Deadly attacks at mission, church may be linked
"Reason to believe" in connection
By Allison Sherry
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 12/10/2007 08:43:41 AM MST
Janice Smith, left, and Sue Palmer, and other people that attended the 11 am service at Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colorado, hug and pray after the service. (Lyn Alweis, The Denver Post )Related
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Young missionaries caring, forgivingGroup targeted in shooting has far reachGovernor reacts to attacksGunman fires on parishioners2 killed at missionary center; gunman, victim die at churchArvada missionary workers gunned down2 die in Colo Christian missionary training center shootingArvada police said Sunday they have "reason to believe" that deadly attacks at two religious institutions 70 miles apart that left five dead and six injured are probably linked.
Arvada Police Chief Don Wick said his agency sent officers to share notes with Colorado Springs police. And late Sunday, authorities from both agencies were searching a home in southeastern Arapahoe County they say could be related to the case.
"We have reason to believe that the two may be related," Wick said at a news briefing.
Two people were fatally shot at a housing complex for missionaries in training at 12:30 a.m. Sunday in Arvada. Thirteen hours later, at Colorado Springs' evangelical New Life Church, a parishioner was killed and four people
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were injured before the shooter was shot dead by a New Life security guard.
Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers was more cautious about any link late Sunday, noting he had no indication the two shootings were related.
"We are working directly with the Arvada Police Department to explore if there is any possible link," Myers said.
In Arvada, Tiffany Johnson, 26, was killed at a Youth With a Mission dormitory when she declined to provide shelter to a man in his 20s seeking a place to sleep. As Johnson started to offer him alternatives, the man opened fire, killing her and Philip Crouse, 24.
Two other staffers waiting up for stragglers to return from a youth bowling trip were wounded before the man ran away through the snow.
Shortly after 1 p.m. at a large evangelical church 70 miles away, a heavily armed man roughly matching the same description as the Arvada gunman opened fire on a van in the New Life Church parking lot.
One person, whose identity was not released Sunday night, was killed. The gunman then entered the church vestibule and began firing with a high-powered rifle before a security-team member shot and killed him. A second injured person died late Sunday.
The female security-team member,
A Centennial Sheriff officer makes a phone call as nvestigators enter and leave a home at 10929 E. Berry Pl. (visible in background) in Englewood. (Glenn Asakawa, The Denver Post)whose name was not released, "probably saved many lives today," Myers said.
Late Sunday, the investigation shifted to unincorporated Arapahoe County, where authorities were searching a home in connection with Sunday's shootings, said Arvada Deputy Chief Gary Creager.
Although Creager said he was still unsure whether the two cases are connected, officials are looking into the similarities, he said.
"We are very interested," Creager said. "That's why we're there."
A woman who said she is related to the family living at the home said she has a 24-year-old brother who lives there. He is a computer-programming student at a community college. Another brother is attending college in Oklahoma, she said.
Close to midnight, about
Arvada police cars are parked outside of the Youth With A Mission building Sunday morning near West 63rd Avenue and Ward Road in Arvada, Colorado. (Lyn Alweis, The Denver Post)25 officers were searching the home — including those from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Arapahoe County bomb squad. Authorities were carrying out boxes from the home and snapping pictures.
Jay Hopko, 51, who lives down the street, said a father and a younger son play baseball in the yard, where there is a batting cage.
"This is not something you expect in your neighborhood," he said.
The shootings shocked Colorado's politicians and clergy and underscored the danger — and vulnerability — that can arise when ministering to the needy.
Gov. Bill Ritter ordered state investigators to assist in the case and issued a statement saying that violence of any sort is tragic, but "when innocent
Police and Swat teams surround the New Life Church in Colorado Springs Sunday afternoon after a man went inside the church and opened fire. (Andy Cross, The Denver Post)people are killed in a religious facility or a place of worship, we must voice a collective sense of outrage and demonstrate a renewed commitment to keeping our communities safe."
Faith leaders said Sunday that, despite the violence, their work helping the most disturbed had to continue.
"When you kneel down to serve someone, you are in a vulnerable position to get kicked, and that is always the role of the church," said the Rev. Jim Ryan, executive director of the Colorado Council of Churches.
George Morrison agreed.
"God did not cause this to happen," said Morrison, a minister at Faith Bible Chapel, which houses Youth With a Mission on its Arvada property.
The organization trains people to be missionaries all over the
Tom Minnig, an usher at Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, along with other member of the church, stands in prayer for the victims of a shooting that happened next door to their church early Sunday morning. (Lyn Alweis, The Denver Post)world. Both of the young people killed were staffers at the organization.
Across the state, faith leaders watched the story closely and reached out to one another.
"There are many different expressions of Christianity, different parts of one body of Christ, but when one part of the body is in pain, the whole body hurts," Ryan said.
Archdiocese of Denver spokeswoman Jeanette DeMelo said churches are supposed to be refuges for peace.
"Unknowingly, their Christian witness placed them in violence's way," she said.
James Dobson, founder of the Colorado Springs-based Focus on the Family, said through a spokesman that times like these are when church is needed most.
"I'm certain the ... region's churches and parachurch ministries will be reaching into the community to help with the spiritual, emotional and physical needs of those who are hurting," he said in a statement. "But it all begins with what is already occurring throughout the Front Range: fervent prayer for the victims, their loved ones and anyone touched by this tragedy."
Denver Post staff writers Manny Gonzales, Kirk Mitchell and Tom McGhee contributed to this report. Allison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or firstname.lastname@example.org
|12-10-2007, 01:23 PM||#2|
Join Date: Apr 2004
People are seriously screwed up...
Best wishes to these families.
I heard the police are supposed to have a press conference at 3pm... Hopefully it sheds some light on this.
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|12-10-2007, 01:58 PM||#4|
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|12-10-2007, 04:46 PM||#6|
The Dude abides.
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Location: SLC, UT
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The gunman is apparently some poor guy who got his feelings hurt when he worked at the missionary center a few years ago. Who hasn't thought about going and shooting people when they feel slighted? It's a natural human reaction, right?
What a joke. Thank God the lady at the church could put a (relatively) quick end to it. I saw one report that he might have had grenades. What a scumbag.
|12-10-2007, 04:57 PM||#7|
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Join Date: Aug 2003
IMO its due in large part to the PC world we live in. Were raising a bunch of p***Y children with thin skin. We keep teaching kids **** like "everyone is a winner" Well guess what its not ****ing true. If you suck deal with it and find something you do well. Kids cant funtion in the real world because as kids we wrap thier minds in a blanket of "fairness". Then they get out in the real world and find out its BS
We've become a fat/lazy nation of p***Ys
|12-10-2007, 07:34 PM||#11|
Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla!
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|12-10-2007, 10:34 PM||#14|
Angling in the Deep
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Think if his parents would have spanked him he'd turned out better?
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|12-10-2007, 11:57 PM||#15|
Join Date: May 2001
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I got pt in my place today ........ I was going on abot how crazy people are today , Some old guy said , People have always been crazy , I said today the do it to get attention on cable TV .... He said Bull brought up Kent State , then Texas Tech in 66 , then something about Manson , Hungesford , Capone , on and on and on ....... He said if you research it you will find more senseless killings between 1960 and 1989 then now
|12-11-2007, 09:00 PM||#16|
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