Ex Marine/American traitor says he thinks the 'surge' is working - The Orange Mane

spdirty · 11-29-2007, 09:42 PM

He is still a prlck.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07333/837824-100.stm

Murtha finds military progress in trip to Iraq

Warns that Iraqis must do more for their own security
Thursday, November 29, 2007
By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. John Murtha today said he saw signs of military progress during a brief trip to Iraq last week, but he warned that Iraqis need to play a larger role in providing their own security and the Bush administration still must develop an exit strategy.

"I think the 'surge' is working," the Democrat said in a videoconference from his Johnstown office, describing the president's decision to commit more than 20,000 additional combat troops this year. But the Iraqis "have got to take care of themselves."

Violence has dropped significantly in recent months, but Mr. Murtha said he was most encouraged by changes in the once-volatile Anbar province, where locals have started working closely with U.S. forces to isolate insurgents linked to Al Qaeda.

He said Iraqis need to duplicate that success at the national level, but the central government in Baghdad is "dysfunctional."

Mr. Murtha's four day-trip took him to a Thanksgiving dinner with troops in Kuwait last Thursday, and he then made stops in Iraq, Turkey and Belgium.

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More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-29-2007, 09:48 PM

He doesn't know what he's talking about, has no clue on what's going on.

spdirty · 11-29-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

He doesn't know what he's talking about, has no clue on what's going on.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-29-2007, 09:54 PM

Which traitor?

The list of generals and military types who have dared to criticize King George's Iraq policy and the prosecution of the war is so long I lose track...

Rohirrim · 11-29-2007, 09:54 PM

The Bush cabal outs a covert CIA agent in order to lie this country into an unnecessary war and Murtha is the traitor? Nice ethics you got working there.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-29-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The Bush cabal outs a covert agent in order to lie this country into an unnecessary war and Murtha is the traitor? Nice ethics you got working there.

Bush supporters = poster children for arrested ethical development.

Bronco Bob · 11-29-2007, 10:03 PM

Once again the right wing useful idiots confuse being a loyal Bushie with being a loyal American.
Yeah, Murtha hates America so much he had Thanksgiving dinner with American troops overseas.
Think they served a plastic turkey at the meal?

spdirty · 11-29-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Which traitor?

The list of generals and military types who have dared to criticize King George's Iraq policy and the prosecution of the war is so long I lose track...

I couldnt care less about his opinion on the ethics of the war...but when he accuses marines of war crimes before and during the investigation, and before they even got charged with anything...well, you talk to most marines and ask their opinion on him and they call him a traitor.

Bronco Bob · 11-29-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

I couldnt care less about his opinion on the ethics of the war...but when he accuses marines of war crimes before and during the investigation, and before they even got charged with anything...well, you talk to most marines and ask their opinion on him and they call him a traitor.

And I take it you have talked to every single American who has ever been
a United States Marines and they are in agreement. I know people who have
been in the Marines and they think Bush is an idiot.

spdirty · 11-29-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

And I take it you have talked to every single American who has ever been
a United States Marines and they are in agreement.

yep.

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

I know people who have
been in the Marines and they think Bush is an idiot.

yep. And that has absolutely nothing to do with his treatment of the Pendleton 8.

ant1999e · 11-29-2007, 10:19 PM

Can you guys drop the traitor remark and comment on how he is saying the troops are succeeding in iraq.

ant1999e · 11-29-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

And I take it you have talked to every single American who has ever been
a United States Marines and they are in agreement. I know people who have
been in the Marines and they think Bush is an idiot.

What's that have to do with murtha calling those guys murderers?

spdirty · 11-29-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

Can you guys drop the traitor remark

no.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-30-2007, 01:21 AM

If, in your estimation, Murtha is a "traitor" and a "prick," then why would his opinion matter to you?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-30-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

Can you guys drop the traitor remark and comment on how he is saying the troops are succeeding in iraq.

Ha ha ha!

You wish it were that simple, don't you?

But the surge merely proved that Bush & Rummy sent too few soldiers in the first place.

All those years we threw men into the meat grinder, and all we had to do was add more troops?

General Shinseki suggested that before the war and they fired him for being right!

The war was never meant to be "won" - just sustained as long as possible while the profiteers who put Bush in office made bank.

And remember what the pinhead said: Iraq is just one part of a larger, open-ended "global war on terror."

cutthemdown · 11-30-2007, 03:09 AM

Murtha makes Kennedy look like a school boy. They had this guy on tape talking about bribes before. He's a jerk who is only admitting some progress because it's so obvious he can't deny it.

SoCalBronco · 11-30-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Murtha makes Kennedy look like a school boy. They had this guy on tape talking about bribes before. He's a jerk

Murtha has a long way to go in that area before he reaches the utter depths of the Kennedys.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-30-2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Murtha has a long way to go in that area before he reaches the utter depths of the Kennedys.

And the Kennedys have a long, long, long way to go before they reach that circle of the inferno reserved for a criminal of Bush's stature.

defenseman · 11-30-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

He doesn't know what he's talking about, has no clue on what's going on.

What, before he was your savior, now he doesn't know what he's talking about? Hilarious.....

.....dman

*When he was waving the liberal "point of view" he was the best thing sinced sliced bread. Why is he not now? Just like the dems, when someone outlives their usefullness, TOSS them on the pile heap, get the media to hammer them, disgrace them and move on.

defenseman · 11-30-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

And the Kennedys have a long, long, long way to go before they reach that circle of the inferno reserved for a criminal of Bush's stature.

If that is so, each kennedy will be shoulder to shoulder right along with Bush. Hell, I'm sure one ring has a "Kennedy Wing" sign right above it as you enter..dman

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-30-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

If that is so, each kennedy will be shoulder to shoulder right along with Bush.

Which Kennedy sent almost 4,000 American troops to their deaths in a war whose justifications were lies?

Bronco Bob · 11-30-2007, 10:39 AM

By the way, there is no such thing as an ex-Marine.
Once a Marine, always a Marine.

defenseman · 11-30-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

By the way, there is no such thing as an ex-Marine.
Once a Marine, always a Marine.

NOT TRUE. If a marine leaves the marine corps under less than honorable conditions, he or she is designated thusly, an EX- MARINE. If you leave honorably, the designation is former marine. Got that straight from a combat hardened former marine who fought in Korea/Vietnam..dman

*And just to make a point, my source now considers Murtha an "EX marine" vice former marine. Apparently, according to him anyway, alot of his former marine buddies believe the same about Murtha due to his actions while holding office, disgraceful to the marine corps and all......dman

cutthemdown · 11-30-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Which Kennedy sent almost 4,000 American troops to their deaths in a war whose justifications were lies?

Kennedy only killed one person that I know of.

defenseman · 11-30-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Kennedy only killed one person that I know of.

Actually, many men died in Vietnam. The US never lost a battle during Vietnam, but pullled out due to public pressure. Politicians in general, during that era, caused the needless death of thousands of american servicemen and women then pulled out.....pretty damn sad...dman

11-29-2007, 09:42 PM	#1
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	Ex Marine/American traitor says he thinks the 'surge' is working He is still a prlck. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07333/837824-100.stm Murtha finds military progress in trip to Iraq Warns that Iraqis must do more for their own security Thursday, November 29, 2007 By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. John Murtha today said he saw signs of military progress during a brief trip to Iraq last week, but he warned that Iraqis need to play a larger role in providing their own security and the Bush administration still must develop an exit strategy. "I think the 'surge' is working," the Democrat said in a videoconference from his Johnstown office, describing the president's decision to commit more than 20,000 additional combat troops this year. But the Iraqis "have got to take care of themselves." Violence has dropped significantly in recent months, but Mr. Murtha said he was most encouraged by changes in the once-volatile Anbar province, where locals have started working closely with U.S. forces to isolate insurgents linked to Al Qaeda. He said Iraqis need to duplicate that success at the national level, but the central government in Baghdad is "dysfunctional." Mr. Murtha's four day-trip took him to a Thanksgiving dinner with troops in Kuwait last Thursday, and he then made stops in Iraq, Turkey and Belgium. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

11-29-2007, 09:54 PM	#5
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	The Bush cabal outs a covert CIA agent in order to lie this country into an unnecessary war and Murtha is the traitor? Nice ethics you got working there. Last edited by Rohirrim; 11-29-2007 at 09:58 PM..

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Bronco Bob Tastee Freeze Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,464 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Once again the right wing useful idiots confuse being a loyal Bushie with being a loyal American. Yeah, Murtha hates America so much he had Thanksgiving dinner with American troops overseas. Think they served a plastic turkey at the meal? Last edited by Bronco Bob; 11-29-2007 at 10:07 PM..

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11-29-2007, 09:48 PM	#2
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	He doesn't know what he's talking about, has no clue on what's going on.

11-29-2007, 09:54 PM	#4
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697	Which traitor? The list of generals and military types who have dared to criticize King George's Iraq policy and the prosecution of the war is so long I lose track...

11-29-2007, 10:19 PM	#11
ant1999e Ring of Famer WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 5,994 Adopt-a-Bronco: Money Ball	Can you guys drop the traitor remark and comment on how he is saying the *troops* are succeeding in iraq.

11-30-2007, 01:21 AM	#14
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697	If, in your estimation, Murtha is a "traitor" and a "prick," then why would his opinion matter to you?

11-30-2007, 03:09 AM	#16
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,882	Murtha makes Kennedy look like a school boy. They had this guy on tape talking about bribes before. He's a jerk who is only admitting some progress because it's so obvious he can't deny it.

11-30-2007, 10:39 AM	#22
Bronco Bob Tastee Freeze Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,464 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	By the way, there is no such thing as an ex-Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine.