How can you be for a free market and against .... - The Orange Mane

Spider · 11-25-2007, 10:44 AM

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother supporter .........

W*GS · 11-25-2007, 07:52 PM

You go, bro!

cutthemdown · 11-26-2007, 02:45 AM

Free Market is a theory that deals with how prices are set for good and services. It has nothing to do with how a country determines citizenship.

In fact some would argue economies are more a demand economy where the govt lets some things be free market, but then controls the price of other goods. There really are no totally free markets because all govt do some subsidies but America does less of those then most.

Spider · 11-26-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Free Market is a theory that deals with how prices are set for good and services. It has nothing to do with how a country determines citizenship.

In fact some would argue economies are more a demand economy where the govt lets some things be free market, but then controls the price of other goods. There really are no totally free markets because all govt do some subsidies but America does less of those then most.

No **** ............ you are kidding me , Say it aint so Buford ...... So tell me again what does this have to do with people that support a free market , contradicting themselfs on illegal immigration ?...........

Garcia Bronco · 11-26-2007, 09:56 AM

I am for free market...I am also for following the laws. And the laws say it's illegal.

Rohirrim · 11-26-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother supporter .........

Why, Spider! I didn't realize you were such a globalist.

Cast down those borders! Flush the national sovereignty! After all, a border is just a line on a map. Can't we all just get along?

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
so let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me...

Spider · 11-26-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I am for free market...I am also for following the laws. And the laws say it's illegal.

I see so you are for a free market to a limit , in other words you dont support a true free market ........ you cant reconcile the 2 issues ........

Spider · 11-26-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Why, Spider! I didn't realize you were such a globalist.

Cast down those borders! Flush the national sovereignty! After all, a border is just a line on a map. Can't we all just get along?

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
so let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me...

thats me , I like people , it is mankind I cant stand

Bronco Bob · 11-26-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Why, Spider! I didn't realize you were such a globalist.

Cast down those borders! Flush the national sovereignty! After all, a border is just a line on a map. Can't we all just get along?

Yep, and the Constitution is just a g-damn piece of paper.
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Rohirrim · 11-26-2007, 10:34 AM

Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

Bronco Bob · 11-26-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

Canada has stricter immigration policies? Does Canada consider anyone born
there to automatically be a Canadian citizen, for example?

Rohirrim · 11-26-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Canada has stricter immigration policies? Does Canada consider anyone born
there to automatically be a Canadian citizen, for example?

So does Mexico. I remember watching this interview with the Mexican foreign minister last year where he was bragging that Mexico had locked up and then deported 250,000 Central and South Americans who were in Mexico illegally. In Mexico, the penalty for being undocumented is one year in jail. Of course, if the big, bad U.S. was to lock up an illegal, they'd organize a march through our streets and desecrate our flag while our media broadcast endless tearjerkers about families disrupted by the nasty, evil ICE. Did you ever get the feeling that we're being played like chumps?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-26-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

At the rate we're going, we'll need to export our poor and our middle class before too long.

Garcia Bronco · 11-26-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider

I see so you are for a free market to a limit , in other words you dont support a true free market ........ you cant reconcile the 2 issues ........

No Spider...I don't support anarchy.

Spider · 11-26-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

No Spider...I don't support anarchy.

so you dont support a free market , read up on what true free market people believe. you support a controlled system aka Socialist , Dan near boarding on Communist

Garcia Bronco · 11-26-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider

so you dont support a free market , read up on what true free market people believe

I guess so.

Bob · 11-26-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother supporter .........

I'm not into a totally free market -- every decison has a "cost" -- and the cost of illegal immigration in my opinion is much greater than its benefits.

many times when people talk about free trade they are on the top of the heap, and only stand to gain from screwing over the little guy.

Bob · 11-26-2007, 02:44 PM

There are some problems that can be fixed by having less regulation of the economy, and trade -- but doesnt it seem that the rules only apply to the USA? Other governments like Japan are engaged in protectionist policies, while we dont hold up a mirior in terms of tax policy of thier goods -- to me that is part of the reason we are loosing the trade war.

W*GS · 11-26-2007, 03:17 PM

Spider's just being ornery 'cuz someone whupped his ass at the ol' bar last nite.

cutthemdown · 11-26-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

No **** ............ you are kidding me , Say it aint so Buford ...... So tell me again what does this have to do with people that support a free market , contradicting themselfs on illegal immigration ?...........

you're stupid. Keep on truckin!!!

You can want a closed border and still be for a free market. Free Market is referring to the goods, what you are talking is referring to the workers. They aren't the same and you are really ignorant. Go back to college and get a degree if you want to be smart. Otherwise just stick to hauling my stuff around the country.

Free Market=how prices are determined for goods. It has nothing to do with immigration!!!!

c_lazy_r · 11-26-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

So does Mexico. I remember watching this interview with the Mexican foreign minister last year where he was bragging that Mexico had locked up and then deported 250,000 Central and South Americans who were in Mexico illegally. In Mexico, the penalty for being undocumented is one year in jail. Of course, if the big, bad U.S. was to lock up an illegal, they'd organize a march through our streets and desecrate our flag while our media broadcast endless tearjerkers about families disrupted by the nasty, evil ICE. Did you ever get the feeling that we're being played like chumps?

I think jail would be an option if we had enough space and money to house them all. Unfortunately, that isn't going to be a reality unless the government puts a fence around Wyoming and turns them all loose.

Spider · 11-26-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

you're stupid. Keep on truckin!!!

You can want a closed border and still be for a free market. Free Market is referring to the goods, what you are talking is referring to the workers. They aren't the same and you are really ignorant. Go back to college and get a degree if you want to be smart. Otherwise just stick to hauling my stuff around the country.

Free Market=how prices are determined for goods. It has nothing to do with immigration!!!!

I am stupid ? Too ****ing much , you want to regulate on who companies hire ....... doesnt sound to ****ing free to me you ****ing moron ....... I hope some day when you leave Mom and Dads house and live on your own , they have someone that will watch over you .........

Spider · 11-26-2007, 06:24 PM

Hey Cut maybe one of these days you will wake up from the drug induced stupor you are in and realize , hey as soon as you regulate something , then it isnt free ........

you ****ing moron . I doubt you even know what the **** I am talking about , you are just spouting off cause mom or Dad took your PS3 away for a week

spdirty · 11-26-2007, 09:36 PM

Im for a free market within the laws of the country...Bad argument spider.

spdirty · 11-26-2007, 09:43 PM

wish I could get my ex deported

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11-25-2007, 07:52 PM	#2
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,499	You go, bro!

11-26-2007, 02:45 AM	#3
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,418	Free Market is a theory that deals with how prices are set for good and services. It has nothing to do with how a country determines citizenship. In fact some would argue economies are more a demand economy where the govt lets some things be free market, but then controls the price of other goods. There really are no totally free markets because all govt do some subsidies but America does less of those then most.

11-26-2007, 09:56 AM	#5
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I am for free market...I am also for following the laws. And the laws say it's illegal.

11-26-2007, 10:34 AM	#10
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,791	Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

11-26-2007, 02:44 PM	#18
Bob Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,330	There are some problems that can be fixed by having less regulation of the economy, and trade -- but doesnt it seem that the rules only apply to the USA? Other governments like Japan are engaged in protectionist policies, while we dont hold up a mirior in terms of tax policy of thier goods -- to me that is part of the reason we are loosing the trade war.

11-26-2007, 03:17 PM	#19
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,499	Spider's just being ornery 'cuz someone whupped his ass at the ol' bar last nite.

11-26-2007, 06:24 PM	#23
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Hey Cut maybe one of these days you will wake up from the drug induced stupor you are in and realize , hey as soon as you regulate something , then it isnt free ........ you **ing moron . I doubt you even know what the ** I am talking about , you are just spouting off cause mom or Dad took your PS3 away for a week

11-26-2007, 09:36 PM	#24
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	Im for a free market within the laws of the country...Bad argument spider.

11-26-2007, 09:43 PM	#25
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	wish I could get my ex deported