Hoge on Young vs. Cutler - The Orange Mane

jayman_37 · 11-19-2007, 01:36 PM

• Vince Young or Jay Cutler? The more I study them, the more evidence I see that Young will always be a threat to run and make a play once in a while, but he will never be the consistent guy you will need from the pocket. One thing that confirms this for me is his footwork. Footwork for a quarterback, and for that matter all players, is the key to success. As I study Young, I noticed that he is very sloppy in that area, I believe there are two reasons for that. The first is bad habits and the second is that his footwork is a reflection of his eyes. Because he is limited in reading and understanding coverages, he panics and therefore, his footwork gets sloppy. I do feel he made some of his best throws last week, but they came against prevent looks. When the Jags blitzed, he was lost! Does he still need time? Yes, but the Titans could be an elite team if they had better quarterback play.

Now when you put Cutler under the microscope, one thing is clear: while neither signal-caller has a big-time wide receiver, having a stud wideout doesn't affect your physical ability to make certain throws and you still must be able to read coverages. Cutler has amazing skills when it comes to throwing the ball. He has great anticipation when he throws and has a great grasp of coverages, although at times he gets caught making a mistake by misreading something or trusting his arm too much. He has massive upside, and if he had a defense like Young's and a more consistent running game, the Broncos would be a playoff team. If the Titans had drafted Cutler, they would be a powerhouse!

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/fo...age=hogeweek11

Inkana7 · 11-19-2007, 01:39 PM

We r teh winnar!!!!111

TheDave · 11-19-2007, 01:42 PM

NICE!!!!

I remember days before the draft talking to some fellow Bronco fans saying that Cutler might drop to us... Everyone kept saying I was nuts that he was basically a Tennessee product and they were going to draft him. Not only am I glad that Tennessee did what they did, but thank God the Cardinals grabbed leinart.

Good for Us!

Hotrod · 11-19-2007, 01:44 PM

"Because he is limited in reading and understanding coverages, he panics and therefore, his footwork gets sloppy."

Does this remind anyone else of a former Bronco QB now famous handball player

TheDave · 11-19-2007, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

"Because he is limited in reading and understanding coverages, he panics and therefore, his footwork gets sloppy."

Does this remind anyone else of a former Bronco QB now famous handball player

Gee, and I thought this might be the first Cutler thread to not mention "16"... Well at least it last 4 posts

Hotrod · 11-19-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Gee, and I thought this might be the first Cutler thread to not mention "16"... Well at least it last 4 posts

It just jumped out at me is all

shakenbake · 11-19-2007, 01:49 PM

Yea because Hoge is really unbiased. I love my Broncos and have great respect for Young. I love how last year they won because of Travis Henry running the ball so well. This year it is because the D is playing so well. I guess it will always be something. That said I hope we can make young look silly tonight

broncofan2438 · 11-19-2007, 02:07 PM

Love it, Love Cutler, Love Broncos

Spider · 11-19-2007, 02:09 PM

Vince who ?

Atwater His Ass · 11-19-2007, 02:15 PM

I dunno, but didn't we really all know this during the draft? I always felt Young was a distant 3rd to Leinhart and Cutler. He's a great athlete, but imo, will never be a great QB at the NFL level.

c_lazy_r · 11-19-2007, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

I dunno, but didn't we really all know this during the draft? I always felt Young was a distant 3rd to Leinhart and Cutler. He's a great athlete, but imo, will never be a great QB at the NFL level.

Agree 100%.

Funny, though, I really thought Leinhart was going to be the best QB of the three. Glad it worked out the way it did.

Broncoman13 · 11-19-2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

NICE!!!!

I remember days before the draft talking to some fellow Bronco fans saying that Cutler might drop to us... Everyone kept saying I was nuts that he was basically a Tennessee product and they were going to draft him. Not only am I glad that Tennessee did what they did, but thank God the Cardinals grabbed leinart.

Good for Us!

Put me in the camp of thinking that Cutler was a media hype product and overrated coming out of Vandy... You can also put me in the camp of having already ate my crow on that one!

shakenbake · 11-19-2007, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSKIE!!!

Put me in the camp of thinking that Cutler was a media hype product and overrated coming out of Vandy... You can also put me in the camp of having already ate my crow on that one!

I am with you I thought he would be a Kyle boller strong arm but really over-hyped. I like what I see so far but I am not ready to crown him. He still has about 1 dumb (game breaking) play per day.

epicSocialism4tw · 11-19-2007, 03:16 PM

Merrill has the cognitive abilities of a bratwurst.

TheDave · 11-19-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSKIE!!!

Put me in the camp of thinking that Cutler was a media hype product and overrated coming out of Vandy... You can also put me in the camp of having already ate my crow on that one!

I was lucky enough to find about 10 Vandy games online (prior to the draft)... After watching those it was real tough to be anything but impressed.

TerrElway · 11-19-2007, 03:29 PM

...also rated the teams on advantages by position. They gave Denver the nod at QB, WR, Special Teams and DBs.

Tennessee got the thumbs up with RB, OL, DL, LB's and...COACH!

I think Fisher is an outstanding coach but I was surprised to see Shanny not get the coach nod. It probably takes into account overall staff and coaching. Still, it was a little shocking for some reason. Maybe I'm too much of a Shanny homer.

TerrElway · 11-19-2007, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayman_37

• Vince Young or Jay Cutler? The more I study them, the more evidence I see that Young will always be a threat to run and make a play once in a while, but he will never be the consistent guy you will need from the pocket. One thing that confirms this for me is his footwork. Footwork for a quarterback, and for that matter all players, is the key to success. As I study Young, I noticed that he is very sloppy in that area, I believe there are two reasons for that. The first is bad habits and the second is that his footwork is a reflection of his eyes. Because he is limited in reading and understanding coverages, he panics and therefore, his footwork gets sloppy. I do feel he made some of his best throws last week, but they came against prevent looks. When the Jags blitzed, he was lost! Does he still need time? Yes, but the Titans could be an elite team if they had better quarterback play.

Now when you put Cutler under the microscope, one thing is clear: while neither signal-caller has a big-time wide receiver, having a stud wideout doesn't affect your physical ability to make certain throws and you still must be able to read coverages. Cutler has amazing skills when it comes to throwing the ball. He has great anticipation when he throws and has a great grasp of coverages, although at times he gets caught making a mistake by misreading something or trusting his arm too much. He has massive upside, and if he had a defense like Young's and a more consistent running game, the Broncos would be a playoff team. If the Titans had drafted Cutler, they would be a powerhouse!

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/fo...age=hogeweek11

Anyone else feel like because there is all this pre-game talk toward the negative about VY that he'll go ahead and have a MONSTER game against the blue and orange tonight.

Just wonderin', cuz I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.

Hotrod · 11-19-2007, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerrElway

Anyone else feel like because there is all this pre-game talk toward the negative about VY that he'll go ahead and have a MONSTER game against the blue and orange tonight.

Just wonderin', cuz I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.

Not unless he suddenly learns how to read defenses.

watermock · 11-19-2007, 03:39 PM

We need to use Cecil more out of the backfield! Oh, Jay..?...He's good now and only going to get better. The mistakes will go down when we get more than Sheff and Marshall.

broncofan2438 · 11-19-2007, 04:22 PM

Should be a gunslinger night. Our corners have the edge.

ward63 · 11-19-2007, 05:31 PM

I agree w/Merrill....BLITZ!!! Especially if Lynch is playing. I say take a chance and bring the heat. Don't spy, just take chances and pressure him.

NYBronco · 11-19-2007, 05:40 PM

I was surprised after reading Hoge's positive comments. I always thought he was a Bronco hater. With an open mind it's difficult to overlook Cutler's abilities.

elsid13 · 11-19-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Not unless he suddenly learns how to read defenses.

Even BVP can read the Bates defense plan.

cutthemdown · 11-19-2007, 05:52 PM

We should wait until he wins as much as Young is to anoint cutler the winner. Beating Titans would go a long ways towards that.

jmz313 · 11-19-2007, 05:56 PM

another mobile QB. We never shut these guys down. I would predict a game like the Jax game. Just hoping we stop one more 3rd down conversion from the scrambling QB and win.

11-19-2007, 01:36 PM	#1
jayman_37 Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 420	Hoge on Young vs. Cutler • Vince Young or Jay Cutler? The more I study them, the more evidence I see that Young will always be a threat to run and make a play once in a while, but he will never be the consistent guy you will need from the pocket. One thing that confirms this for me is his footwork. Footwork for a quarterback, and for that matter all players, is the key to success. As I study Young, I noticed that he is very sloppy in that area, I believe there are two reasons for that. The first is bad habits and the second is that his footwork is a reflection of his eyes. Because he is limited in reading and understanding coverages, he panics and therefore, his footwork gets sloppy. I do feel he made some of his best throws last week, but they came against prevent looks. When the Jags blitzed, he was lost! Does he still need time? Yes, but the Titans could be an elite team if they had better quarterback play. Now when you put Cutler under the microscope, one thing is clear: while neither signal-caller has a big-time wide receiver, having a stud wideout doesn't affect your physical ability to make certain throws and you still must be able to read coverages. Cutler has amazing skills when it comes to throwing the ball. He has great anticipation when he throws and has a great grasp of coverages, although at times he gets caught making a mistake by misreading something or trusting his arm too much. He has massive upside, and if he had a defense like Young's and a more consistent running game, the Broncos would be a playoff team. If the Titans had drafted Cutler, they would be a powerhouse! http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/fo...age=hogeweek11 Last edited by jayman_37; 11-19-2007 at 01:36 PM.. Reason: forgot link

11-19-2007, 01:49 PM	#7
shakenbake Texas Homer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shanghai, China Posts: 3,136	Yea because Hoge is really unbiased. I love my Broncos and have great respect for Young. I love how last year they won because of Travis Henry running the ball so well. This year it is because the D is playing so well. I guess it will always be something. That said I hope we can make young look silly tonight Last edited by shakenbake; 11-19-2007 at 01:53 PM..

11-19-2007, 03:29 PM	#16
TerrElway Seasoned Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Northern Utah Posts: 478	ESPNInsider... ...also rated the teams on advantages by position. They gave Denver the nod at QB, WR, Special Teams and DBs. Tennessee got the thumbs up with RB, OL, DL, LB's and...COACH! I think Fisher is an outstanding coach but I was surprised to see Shanny not get the coach nod. It probably takes into account overall staff and coaching. Still, it was a little shocking for some reason. Maybe I'm too much of a Shanny homer.

11-19-2007, 03:39 PM	#19
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	We need to use Cecil more out of the backfield! Oh, Jay..?...He's good now and only going to get better. The mistakes will go down when we get more than Sheff and Marshall. Last edited by watermock; 11-19-2007 at 03:42 PM..

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11-19-2007, 01:39 PM	#2
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11-19-2007, 01:42 PM	#3
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	NICE!!!! I remember days before the draft talking to some fellow Bronco fans saying that Cutler might drop to us... Everyone kept saying I was nuts that he was basically a Tennessee product and they were going to draft him. Not only am I glad that Tennessee did what they did, but thank God the Cardinals grabbed leinart. Good for Us!

11-19-2007, 01:44 PM	#4
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	"Because he is limited in reading and understanding coverages, he panics and therefore, his footwork gets sloppy." Does this remind anyone else of a former Bronco QB now famous handball player

11-19-2007, 02:07 PM	#8
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Love it, Love Cutler, Love Broncos

11-19-2007, 02:09 PM	#9
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Vince who ?

11-19-2007, 02:15 PM	#10
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I dunno, but didn't we really all know this during the draft? I always felt Young was a distant 3rd to Leinhart and Cutler. He's a great athlete, but imo, will never be a great QB at the NFL level.

11-19-2007, 03:16 PM	#14
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Merrill has the cognitive abilities of a bratwurst.

11-19-2007, 04:22 PM	#20
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Should be a gunslinger night. Our corners have the edge.

11-19-2007, 05:31 PM	#21
ward63 The Burner Returner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,160 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quincy Morgan	I agree w/Merrill....BLITZ!!! Especially if Lynch is playing. I say take a chance and bring the heat. Don't spy, just take chances and pressure him.

11-19-2007, 05:40 PM	#22
NYBronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,994	I was surprised after reading Hoge's positive comments. I always thought he was a Bronco hater. With an open mind it's difficult to overlook Cutler's abilities.

11-19-2007, 05:52 PM	#24
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,445	We should wait until he wins as much as Young is to anoint cutler the winner. Beating Titans would go a long ways towards that.

11-19-2007, 05:56 PM	#25
jmz313 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 982	another mobile QB. We never shut these guys down. I would predict a game like the Jax game. Just hoping we stop one more 3rd down conversion from the scrambling QB and win.