The "We Have a Lot of Needs!" Mock

[lex]

OK, a lot of people seem like they would parlay every pick into an additional pick. So, with that in mind, I did a mock with the following premise: Trade the 12 (our current slot) for (1) 21 and (2) 53, our 2 (44) for 2 (51) and 3(83), our (4) 108 for (4) 118 and (6) 182, and (5) 140 for (5) 143 and (7) 239.

1 Ryan Clady LT
2 Dre Moore DT
2 Jon Goff ILB
3 Josh Barrett SS
4 Cory Boyd RB
4 Jordy Nelson WR
5 Bryan Kehl OLB
5 Jeremy Zuttah OL
6 Henry Smith DT
7 Paul Raymond WR
7 Brian Witherspoon CB
7 Joe Fields FS

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Come April all of the curren Web site crap will be completely out the window. I expect Jacob Tamme, TE Kentucky to be the first choice in the draft and McFadeen forced to a try out in the Canadian league

[mattob14]

I like a lot of the players here and it would definitely fill a lot of our holes.

In the end, we'll probably end up taking around 6-8 players this year. I don't think Shanahan will keep 10-12 rookies on the roster and there are too many holes to have another 4 player draft like last year. If we can move down in round 1 and pick up an extra 2nd, then squeeze a 3rd out of Foxworth, we'd have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds, which sounds about right. I'd probably package a couple of the remaining picks into another 4th, but they could be used in packages for other players/picks as well. Having a number of picks in rounds 2-4 would bring a lot of talent and depth and also provides excellent value this year.

[Elway777]

I like all your trade downs. I would also try and and another first rounder in order to get a elite linebacker with 2009 pick. My draft 1a Conner 1b Clady 2a Dre Moore 2b James Davis 3a Bea Bell or Bennett

[BowlenBall]

The second round is the sweet spot in the draft -- one or two pro-bowl quality players come from there every single year, along with a host of solid players. They're also quite a bit cheaper than first-rounders (especially top-10 picks, which can royally screw a team financially if they don't pan out.)

Let's say (god forbid) that we end up with the #10 pick in the draft. According to the draft value charts posted on the Mane, that's 1300 points of value. We could do something like this:
Trade #10 (1300) for #28 (660) and #29 (640)
Trade #28 (660) for 57 and 59
Trade #29 for 56 and 60
Trade our 3rd rounder and two 4th rounders for #58.

That would give us picks 56, 57, 58, 59, and 60 for our draft. Guess where the value is there? Offensive line! Take 5 straight picks, have 'em battle it out in camp with Myers, Kuper, Eslinger, etc., keep the best 8, and have an excellent young line that's gonna play together for the next 10 years.

If we had done this last year, we could have netted:
C Ryan Kalil
G Samson Satele
T James Marten
T Ryan Harris (our guy)
T Marshall Yanda

If we'd done it in 2006, we could have landed:
C Chris Chester
T Jeremy Trueblood
G Charles Spencer
T Eric Winston
T Paul McQuistan

Every one of these guys listed has worked out and most of them are starting or are slated to start soon.

The best thing is -- even if 4 of the 5 guys don't pan out, we'll still end up with one quality starter, which is better than we normally do in the 1st round (Marcus Nash, Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, or Deltha O'Neil, anyone?)

[BowlenBall]

Oh yeah, forgot about our own second rounder, which would be #10.

Last year, it would have netted us Marcus McNeil (!!!!!!!!!)

in 2006, we would have gotten Davin Joseph (!!!)

[BowlenBall]

Let me beat a dead horse a little bit more... here are 2007 pro bowl offensive linemen who were drafted in the 2nd round or later (counting injury replacements):

OT Marcus McNeill - 2nd rd, pick 50
OT Matt LIght - 2nd round, pick 48
OT Flozell Adams - 2nd round, pick 38
OG Larry Allen - 2nd round, pick 46
OG Will Shields - 3rd round, pick 74
OG Brian Waters - Undrafted
C Nick Hardwick - 3rd round, pick 66
C Jeff Saturday - Undrafted
C Matt Birk - round 6, pick 173
C Andre Gurode - round 2, pick 37
C Olin Kreutz - round 3, pick 64

The point is -- although about half of the OL in last year's pro-bowl were drafted in round 1, a large portion of them were drafted in rounds 2/3.

Trading down, especially when you're sitting in a high draft position, is a great way to create a great OL.

[Broncos_OTM]

Originally Posted by ExpatFan

Let me beat a dead horse a little bit more... here are 2007 pro bowl offensive linemen who were drafted in the 2nd round or later (counting injury replacements):

OT Marcus McNeill - 2nd rd, pick 50
OT Matt LIght - 2nd round, pick 48
OT Flozell Adams - 2nd round, pick 38
OG Larry Allen - 2nd round, pick 46
OG Will Shields - 3rd round, pick 74
OG Brian Waters - Undrafted
C Nick Hardwick - 3rd round, pick 66
C Jeff Saturday - Undrafted
C Matt Birk - round 6, pick 173
C Andre Gurode - round 2, pick 37
C Olin Kreutz - round 3, pick 64

The point is -- although about half of the OL in last year's pro-bowl were drafted in round 1, a large portion of them were drafted in rounds 2/3.

Trading down, especially when you're sitting in a high draft position, is a great way to create a great OL.

Thats all fine and dandy but you have to be able to scout effectivley i think we have done better the last 4 years but we still leave alot to be desired

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

There is only a 50% chance of a second round choice ever becoming a starter in the NFL.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by lex

OK, a lot of people seem like they would parlay every pick into an additional pick. So, with that in mind, I did a mock with the following premise: Trade the 12 (our current slot) for (1) 21 and (2) 53, our 2 (44) for 2 (51) and 3(83), our (4) 108 for (4) 118 and (6) 182, and (5) 140 for (5) 143 and (7) 239.

1 Ryan Clady LT
2 Dre Moore DT
2 Jon Goff ILB
3 Josh Barrett SS
4 Cory Boyd RB
4 Jordy Nelson WR
5 Bryan Kehl OLB
5 Jeremy Zuttah OL
6 Henry Smith DT
7 Paul Raymond WR
7 Brian Witherspoon CB
7 Joe Fields FS

NICE! The highlighted area is the MONEY slots! This year, those picks are going to be paramount to DEN. LEX did an excellent job of drating for NEEDS!
Kehl and Fields bring in a hard nosed attitude for their draft slot and could both become quick starters. Witherspoons the sleeper and IF Foxy gets traded for a pick, he will make up for the loss. Very nice!

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

There is only a 50% chance of a second round choice ever becoming a starter in the NFL.

"NFL draftees play 50% of the time, every single time!"

[BowlenBall]

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

There is only a 50% chance of a second round choice ever becoming a starter in the NFL.

Hmmm... so we could parlay our #10 pick into 2, maybe 3 starters.

Sounds a lot better than just drafting Willie Middlebrooks (for example).

High round draft pick = high risk, high reward.
Multiple 2nd round draft picks = low risk, high reward.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by ExpatFan

The second round is the sweet spot in the draft -- one or two pro-bowl quality players come from there every single year, along with a host of solid players. They're also quite a bit cheaper than first-rounders (especially top-10 picks, which can royally screw a team financially if they don't pan out.)

Let's say (god forbid) that we end up with the #10 pick in the draft. According to the draft value charts posted on the Mane, that's 1300 points of value. We could do something like this:
Trade #10 (1300) for #28 (660) and #29 (640)
Trade #28 (660) for 57 and 59
Trade #29 for 56 and 60
Trade our 3rd rounder and two 4th rounders for #58.

That would give us picks 56, 57, 58, 59, and 60 for our draft. Guess where the value is there? Offensive line! Take 5 straight picks, have 'em battle it out in camp with Myers, Kuper, Eslinger, etc., keep the best 8, and have an excellent young line that's gonna play together for the next 10 years.

If we had done this last year, we could have netted:
C Ryan Kalil
G Samson Satele
T James Marten
T Ryan Harris (our guy)
T Marshall Yanda

If we'd done it in 2006, we could have landed:
C Chris Chester
T Jeremy Trueblood
G Charles Spencer
T Eric Winston
T Paul McQuistan

Every one of these guys listed has worked out and most of them are starting or are slated to start soon.

The best thing is -- even if 4 of the 5 guys don't pan out, we'll still end up with one quality starter, which is better than we normally do in the 1st round (Marcus Nash, Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, or Deltha O'Neil, anyone?)

Holy $h!tballs!
Let me take those picks and make another mock with em.
DEN also trades 2009 3rd rounder/MBell for a 2008 3rd rounder#75 (humor me)

56 Jonathan Goff MLB VANDERBILT(move DJ back to WILL,and bring in BBailey)
57 Tony Hills T TEXAS( can even play STs! 40 time? 4.99! 6-6 305)
58 Roy Shuening OG OREGON ST. (6-4 317 road grater)
59 Jordan Grimes OL PURDUE ( 6-3 325 big guy with speed)
60 John Greco T TOLEDO (can play 4 spots on the O-Line!)
75 Thomas DeCoud FS CAL (gotta have a safety or this team is toast)

Something like this?? Sorry but theres no way in hell DEN can just ignore the safety position any longer. There is no FA available this year, and DEN is going to be in deep kaka with no one back there.

[Elway777]

Another player I really like is Alex Max . Max could replace Nalen after next year. The Broncos do all the trades above plus add a extra 1 with 2009 first rounder from Dallas and a extra 3 by another team signing Foxworth. The Bronco draft could be 1A Conner 1B Clady 2a Moore 2b Max 3a James Davis 3b Beu Bell.

[lex]

Originally Posted by Elway777

Another player I really like is Alex Max . Max could replace Nalen after next year. The Broncos do all the trades above plus add a extra 1 with 2009 first rounder from Dallas and a extra 3 by another team signing Foxworth. The Bronco draft could be 1A Conner 1B Clady 2a Moore 2b Max 3a James Davis 3b Beu Bell.

Why would James Davis turn pro if he's slotted to go in the third rd?

[SpringStein]

How many descendants does SoCal have?

[skmoser]

Trade: 2009 1^st to Atlanta for #54 + #66
Trade: Gold to Chicago for #81
Trade: Mike Bell to Green Bay for #151 + #183

1^st round (#13)
Jonathan Stewart* RB Oregon – 5’11” 235lb

2^nd round (#45, 54)
Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina – 6’5” 295lb 5.10 40yd
Chris Williams LT Vanderbilt – 6’6” 320lb 5.20 40yd

3^rd round (#66, #81)
Beau Bell LB UNLV – 6’2” 250lb 4.60 40yd
Thomas DeCoud FS Cal – 6’2” 205lb 4.50 40yd

4^th round (#103, #107, #118)
Jamar Adams SS Michigan – 6’2” 215lb 4.55 40yd
Ezra Butler LB Nevada – 6’2” 250lb 4.55 40yd
Darrell Robertson DE Georgia Tech – 6’5” 250lb 4.75 40yd

5^th round (#141, #151)
Adam Kraus LG Michigan – 6’6” 300lb 5.15 40yd
Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia – 6’3” 260lb 4.70 40yd

6^th round (#183)
Steve Johnson WR Kentucky – 6’2” 205lb 4.45 40yd

7^th round (#200, #207)
Kevin Brown DT UCLA – 6’3” 300lb 5.10 40yd
Johnny Dingle DE West Virginia – 6’3” 275lb 4.80 40yd

[skmoser]

Free Agent Signings:
Landon Johnson LB (via/Cincinnati) 4yrs 17 million
Ryan Lilja LG (via/Indianapolis) 3yrs 15 million
Keary Colbert WR (via/Carolina) 2yrs 7 million
Randy Starks DT (via/Tennessee) 2yrs 5 million

[lex]

Originally Posted by skmoser

Trade: 2009 1^st to Atlanta for #54 + #66
Trade: Gold to Chicago for #81
Trade: Mike Bell to Green Bay for #151 + #183

1^st round (#13)
Jonathan Stewart* RB Oregon – 5’11” 235lb

2^nd round (#45, 54)
Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina – 6’5” 295lb 5.10 40yd
Chris Williams LT Vanderbilt – 6’6” 320lb 5.20 40yd

3^rd round (#66, #81)
Beau Bell LB UNLV – 6’2” 250lb 4.60 40yd
Thomas DeCoud FS Cal – 6’2” 205lb 4.50 40yd

4^th round (#103, #107, #118)
Jamar Adams SS Michigan – 6’2” 215lb 4.55 40yd
Ezra Butler LB Nevada – 6’2” 250lb 4.55 40yd
Darrell Robertson DE Georgia Tech – 6’5” 250lb 4.75 40yd

5^th round (#141, #151)
Adam Kraus LG Michigan – 6’6” 300lb 5.15 40yd
Owen Schmitt FB West Virginia – 6’3” 260lb 4.70 40yd

6^th round (#183)
Steve Johnson WR Kentucky – 6’2” 205lb 4.45 40yd

7^th round (#200, #207)
Kevin Brown DT UCLA – 6’3” 300lb 5.10 40yd
Johnny Dingle DE West Virginia – 6’3” 275lb 4.80 40yd

No way. Id rather wait and take Davis or Boyd...and if we're taking a RB in Rd 1, we might as well trade up for McFadden. Balmer isnt what we need in a DT as much as say, a Dre Moore or a Frank Okam. Jamar Adams and Adam Kraus are not exactly the best we could do there either. I like Owen Schmitt though. And Beau Bell wont make it to the third according to practically everything Ive been seeing.

[mattob14]

Originally Posted by skmoser

Trade: 2009 1^st to Atlanta for #54 + #66
Trade: Gold to Chicago for #81
Trade: Mike Bell to Green Bay for #151 + #183

We'd lucky to get #181 for Gold, let alone #81.

[ohiobronco2]

Originally Posted by SpringStein

How many descendants does SoCal have?

[Elway777]

Originally Posted by lex

Why would James Davis turn pro if he's slotted to go in the third rd?

Your right Davis will go in the second round. I would draft 1a Conner 1bCladdy 2a James Davis 2b Dre Moore 3a Alex Mack 3b Beau Bell . The Broncos use second day picks on safeties and best players available.

[chaz]

socal would mess his pants if/when he sees this thread...