Shanny and Defensive Coordinators - The Orange Mane

TexanBob · 11-07-2007, 05:50 PM

Shanahan has been the Head Coach here since 1995 and it seems as if he runs through defensive coordinators the way children run through clothes.

In 12 years, he's had how many?

I can think of Greg Robinson, Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer, Jim Bates and who else? I think I've missed one or two. Were they all fired or did any of them leave for a better job?

My point is that while Shanahan knows offense (or at least used to), he seems to let the defense rest in the hands of a coordinator who then gets canned whenever the defense disappoints. Each new guy brings in his new "system" and yet they don't seem to cure the problem. We always seem to lack a fierce pass rush and allow too many big plays. So is it the coordinators who are at fault? Or the players? Or Shanahan?

Seems like some other organizations have a never-ending pipeline of defensive coaches who then become the names brought up during coaching vacancies. Ours don't. Are we bereft of defensive coaching talent and why?

BigPlayShay · 11-07-2007, 05:52 PM

You haven't missed any.

Coyer's system was similar to Rhodes. So, in reality that is 4 D-Coordinators in 12 years. 3 Systems.

As for where to place blame on defensive failures I am not sure. I can say that when Robinson was successful we had a good D-line. When he wasn't successful our D-Line sucked.

Lack of D-Line and pass rush is an overriding theme with all 4 coordinators. Good D-Line prospects were allowed to leave via free agency. Crappy guys were drafted at the D-Line positions.

TexanBob · 11-07-2007, 06:01 PM

When Robinson was successful, we blitzed like hell and hoped the secondary could stay with their guy for four seconds. It was a high-risk defense and it made sense we'd get burned with it at times. I'm still mystified how great Coyer's defense looked the first half of '06 then was completely abused the second half of the season.

AFAIK, our defense has shown up just once this season.

Garcia Bronco · 11-07-2007, 06:34 PM

Coyer designed many of Rhodes plays

elsid13 · 11-07-2007, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Coyer designed many of Rhodes plays

My favorite Rhodes plays.

Drop all defense line men into coverage and rush Gold by himself into the opponent offense line. It was brilliant!!!!

Followed by

Have the DEs cover the WRs. and blitz the CBs

dragondawg · 11-07-2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13

My favorite Rhodes plays.

Drop all defense line men into coverage and rush Gold by himself into the opponent offense line. It was brilliant!!!!

Followed by

Have the DEs cover the WRs. and blitz the CBs

yah and having rich gannon complete 22 straight passes i think it was, he would rush 2 lineman and drop 7 and still gave up all those straight completions

oubronco · 11-07-2007, 08:36 PM

if you have a fierce d-line who can dominate the line of scrimmage you will be successful end of story

thats it it's that simple so why can't shanahan figure it out..........some genius huh ?

11-07-2007, 05:50 PM	#1
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Shanny and Defensive Coordinators Shanahan has been the Head Coach here since 1995 and it seems as if he runs through defensive coordinators the way children run through clothes. In 12 years, he's had how many? I can think of Greg Robinson, Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer, Jim Bates and who else? I think I've missed one or two. Were they all fired or did any of them leave for a better job? My point is that while Shanahan knows offense (or at least used to), he seems to let the defense rest in the hands of a coordinator who then gets canned whenever the defense disappoints. Each new guy brings in his new "system" and yet they don't seem to cure the problem. We always seem to lack a fierce pass rush and allow too many big plays. So is it the coordinators who are at fault? Or the players? Or Shanahan? Seems like some other organizations have a never-ending pipeline of defensive coaches who then become the names brought up during coaching vacancies. Ours don't. Are we bereft of defensive coaching talent and why? Last edited by TexanBob; 11-07-2007 at 05:52 PM..

11-07-2007, 05:52 PM	#2
BigPlayShay Ring of Famer Novaking Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,236 Adopt-a-Bronco: Got Cut	You haven't missed any. Coyer's system was similar to Rhodes. So, in reality that is 4 D-Coordinators in 12 years. 3 Systems. As for where to place blame on defensive failures I am not sure. I can say that when Robinson was successful we had a good D-line. When he wasn't successful our D-Line sucked. Lack of D-Line and pass rush is an overriding theme with all 4 coordinators. Good D-Line prospects were allowed to leave via free agency. Crappy guys were drafted at the D-Line positions. Last edited by BigPlayShay; 11-07-2007 at 05:56 PM..

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11-07-2007, 06:01 PM	#3
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	When Robinson was successful, we blitzed like hell and hoped the secondary could stay with their guy for four seconds. It was a high-risk defense and it made sense we'd get burned with it at times. I'm still mystified how great Coyer's defense looked the first half of '06 then was completely abused the second half of the season. AFAIK, our defense has shown up just once this season.

11-07-2007, 06:34 PM	#4
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,989 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Coyer designed many of Rhodes plays

11-07-2007, 08:36 PM	#7
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,579	if you have a fierce d-line who can dominate the line of scrimmage you will be successful end of story thats it it's that simple so why can't shanahan figure it out..........some genius huh ?