Shula suggests asterisk if Patriots go undefeated WTF - The Orange Mane

TDmvp · 11-06-2007, 03:21 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057

Don Shula likes the Patriots' chances of going undefeated, but the Bill Belichick-inspired spying scandal has clouded Shula's thinking when comparing New England with his unbeaten 1972 Dolphins team.

"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," Shula said in an interview with the New York Daily News. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots were fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick for videotaping the Jets' opposing sideline during the teams' season-opening game.

"That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found," Shula said, according to the Daily News. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record.

"I guess it will be noted that the Patriots were fined and a No. 1 draft choice was taken away during that year of accomplishment. The sad thing is Tom Brady looks so good, it doesn't look like he needs any help."

The way the Patriots have been playing, Shula and the '72 Dolphins might find themselves answering more questions than in past years about whether their record will stand. New England improved to 9-0 on Sunday by beating the previously unbeaten Colts (7-1) in Indianapolis.

There have been serious runs made at the Dolphins' record before. The 1985 Bears started 12-0, then lost on a Monday night to a Dolphins team coached by Shula. The 1991 Redskins started 11-0 and the 1998 Broncos and 2005 Colts opened 13-0 before losing. Although members of the '72 Dolphins have become known for sipping champagne after the last unbeaten team falls by the wayside each season, Shula says stories of that annual celebration "have been blown out of proportion."

"You guys put forth the myth that we are pathetic losers down here clicking champagne glasses and clinging desperately to a record set 35 years ago," former Dolphins tight end Jim Mandich told the Daily News. "Somehow we've been portrayed as being evil. We don't ever blow our own horn. It's a great record, but the record doesn't get beaten.

"The Patriots have assembled a powerhouse of a team. They are a classy bunch of guys and play ball the right way. If they want to join the unbeaten club, come on aboard."

missingnumber7 · 11-06-2007, 03:23 PM

Yea there should be an asterisk...The season was only 14 then, its 16 now...and they get a week off in there.

Eldorado · 11-06-2007, 03:24 PM

Anyone else see the Bangcartoon version of the 72 dolphins 'popin the cork' when the last undefeated goes down? Friggin hilarious. Can't help but think of it whenever I hear '72 Dolphins'.

Crushaholic · 11-06-2007, 03:25 PM

It looks like Mandich will be more gracious than his coach if/when the record is broken...

defenseman · 11-06-2007, 03:34 PM

bellicheat, and the patriots will never be able to get out from underneath that little "black cloud" known as spygate. It'll continue to pop up here and there. That's what you get Bill, when you don't play fair...deal with it...dman

PatsRule · 11-06-2007, 03:37 PM

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

Beantown Bronco · 11-06-2007, 03:37 PM

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

defenseman · 11-06-2007, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsRule

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

When the rest of the country starts echoing Shula, I can't wait to hear the moaning and crying from bellicheat and Miss Brady....hilarious...dman

*The FIRST question during some of the interviews, So Bellicheat, has the "spygate" affected your team and players? What have you put into place to make sure there isn't anymore "bellicheating" going on? On and on and on, looking forward to it...

FantomForce · 11-06-2007, 04:20 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057 What do you think of that Bilistink

FantomForce · 11-06-2007, 04:22 PM

Please delete this thread sorry I saw the other one as soon as mine posted

defenseman · 11-06-2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsRule

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

I'd be more worried about who is targeting Miss Brady's knees these days. "Their" days are numbered if the pats try to run up anymore scores. Distainful? Yep, pretty bad that someone would try to do that. Payback can be a real b**** sometimes, whether it's warranted or not.....dman

Eldorado · 11-06-2007, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange&blue

Anyone else see the Bangcartoon version of the 72 dolphins 'popin the cork' when the last undefeated goes down? Friggin hilarious. Can't help but think of it whenever I hear '72 Dolphins'.

I found it. Its Meanwhile '05 in december 05. Look in the archives.

broncocalijohn · 11-06-2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsRule

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

That is a sexy, pound shedding ex coach there Patsrule! This is what you get for cheating but Shula is off mark here. The simple fact is that Pats have been winning since the scandal. Yes, Belicheat sucks based on this and a few others but if this team goes on a wins the whole thing w/o a loss, then there should be no asterick. Hard to root for the Pats here or have the 72 dolphins celebrate once again. I will take the old farts and let them celebrate something good about the Dolphins.

gunns · 11-06-2007, 05:54 PM

The problem is Shula saying this. I wouldn't mind seeing the Dolphins lose the only unbeaten team, but there should be an asterik next to the Pats should they win out. They did it to themselves.

gunns · 11-06-2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

The Pats opponents are a combined 35-38 and that's beating two 7-1 teams. You play who you get

Garcia Bronco · 11-06-2007, 06:50 PM

I've said this beofre...no matter what they do...they'll always have someone that will say they cheated. It's sad but true

yavoon · 11-06-2007, 06:55 PM

bellicheat brought it on himself.

Northman · 11-06-2007, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

Intersting. I wasnt aware of that.

Bronx33 · 11-06-2007, 07:14 PM

A big huge ASTERISK is well earned.

Bronx33 · 11-06-2007, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

This year should just about be the same..

No1BroncoFan · 11-06-2007, 08:06 PM

Not only were the '72 Dolphins' opponents lousy, but their wins weren't even that impressive:
1 at Kansas City Chiefs W 20-10
2 Houston Oilers W 34-13
3 at Minnesota Vikings W 16-14
4 at New York Jets W 27-17
5 San Diego Chargers W 24-10
6 Buffalo Bills W 24-23
7 at Baltimore Colts W 23- 0
8 at Buffalo Bills W 30-16
9 New England Patriots W 52- 0
10 New York Jets W 28-24
11 St. Louis Cardinals W 31-10
12 at New England Patriots W 37-21
13 at New York Giants W 23-13
14 Baltimore Colts W 16- 0
Two shutouts and only one real blowout.

Shula's right, the Pats should get an asterisk. After all, they're playing a longer season in a parity league. If they do go undefeated it will be far more impressive than what the Phish did!

Ben

elsid13 · 11-06-2007, 08:11 PM

The words bitter old men comes to mind.

Northman · 11-06-2007, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan

Not only were the '72 Dolphins' opponents lousy, but their wins weren't even that impressive:
1 at Kansas City Chiefs W 20-10
2 Houston Oilers W 34-13
3 at Minnesota Vikings W 16-14
4 at New York Jets W 27-17
5 San Diego Chargers W 24-10
6 Buffalo Bills W 24-23
7 at Baltimore Colts W 23- 0
8 at Buffalo Bills W 30-16
9 New England Patriots W 52- 0
10 New York Jets W 28-24
11 St. Louis Cardinals W 31-10
12 at New England Patriots W 37-21
13 at New York Giants W 23-13
14 Baltimore Colts W 16- 0
Two shutouts and only one real blowout.

Shula's right, the Pats should get an asterisk. After all, they're playing a longer season in a parity league. If they do go undefeated it will be far more impressive than what the Phish did!

Ben

Week 9: How ironic. Do you think the Dolphins got any complaints about running up the score?

Popps · 11-06-2007, 08:24 PM

Those 72 guys are disturbingly freaky about that record.

Florida_Bronco · 11-06-2007, 08:33 PM

Ain't gonna happen, so it really doesn't matter anyways.

11-06-2007, 03:21 PM	#1
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,092	Shula suggests asterisk if Patriots go undefeated WTF http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057 Don Shula likes the Patriots' chances of going undefeated, but the Bill Belichick-inspired spying scandal has clouded Shula's thinking when comparing New England with his unbeaten 1972 Dolphins team. "The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," Shula said in an interview with the New York Daily News. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it." Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots were fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick for videotaping the Jets' opposing sideline during the teams' season-opening game. "That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found," Shula said, according to the Daily News. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record. "I guess it will be noted that the Patriots were fined and a No. 1 draft choice was taken away during that year of accomplishment. The sad thing is Tom Brady looks so good, it doesn't look like he needs any help." The way the Patriots have been playing, Shula and the '72 Dolphins might find themselves answering more questions than in past years about whether their record will stand. New England improved to 9-0 on Sunday by beating the previously unbeaten Colts (7-1) in Indianapolis. There have been serious runs made at the Dolphins' record before. The 1985 Bears started 12-0, then lost on a Monday night to a Dolphins team coached by Shula. The 1991 Redskins started 11-0 and the 1998 Broncos and 2005 Colts opened 13-0 before losing. Although members of the '72 Dolphins have become known for sipping champagne after the last unbeaten team falls by the wayside each season, Shula says stories of that annual celebration "have been blown out of proportion." "You guys put forth the myth that we are pathetic losers down here clicking champagne glasses and clinging desperately to a record set 35 years ago," former Dolphins tight end Jim Mandich told the Daily News. "Somehow we've been portrayed as being evil. We don't ever blow our own horn. It's a great record, but the record doesn't get beaten. "The Patriots have assembled a powerhouse of a team. They are a classy bunch of guys and play ball the right way. If they want to join the unbeaten club, come on aboard."

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11-06-2007, 03:23 PM	#2
missingnumber7 Vote Joe Mays to Pro Bowl Joe 4 Pro Bowl ST's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bismarck Posts: 4,760 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	Yea there should be an asterisk...The season was only 14 then, its 16 now...and they get a week off in there.

11-06-2007, 03:24 PM	#3
Eldorado Formerly orange&blue Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,792 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ayers	Anyone else see the Bangcartoon version of the 72 dolphins 'popin the cork' when the last undefeated goes down? Friggin hilarious. Can't help but think of it whenever I hear '72 Dolphins'.

11-06-2007, 03:25 PM	#4
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,076	It looks like Mandich will be more gracious than his coach if/when the record is broken...

11-06-2007, 03:34 PM	#5
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	bellicheat, and the patriots will never be able to get out from underneath that little "black cloud" known as spygate. It'll continue to pop up here and there. That's what you get Bill, when you don't play fair...deal with it...dman

11-06-2007, 03:37 PM	#6
PatsRule Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 76	What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

11-06-2007, 03:37 PM	#7
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,111 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	You want an asterisk, how about this: The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6. Yikes.

11-06-2007, 04:22 PM	#10
FantomForce Long live the Mane! The Incredible BULK! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Silt, Colorado Posts: 2,029	Please delete this thread sorry I saw the other one as soon as mine posted

11-06-2007, 05:54 PM	#14
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,733 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	The problem is Shula saying this. I wouldn't mind seeing the Dolphins lose the only unbeaten team, but there should be an asterik next to the Pats should they win out. They did it to themselves.

11-06-2007, 06:50 PM	#16
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I've said this beofre...no matter what they do...they'll always have someone that will say they cheated. It's sad but true

11-06-2007, 06:55 PM	#17
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	bellicheat brought it on himself.

11-06-2007, 07:14 PM	#19
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	A big huge ASTERISK is well earned.

11-06-2007, 08:06 PM	#21
No1BroncoFan Old School If you have to ask, you don't know Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 3,106	Not only were the '72 Dolphins' opponents lousy, but their wins weren't even that impressive: 1 at Kansas City Chiefs W 20-10 2 Houston Oilers W 34-13 3 at Minnesota Vikings W 16-14 4 at New York Jets W 27-17 5 San Diego Chargers W 24-10 6 Buffalo Bills W 24-23 7 at Baltimore Colts W 23- 0 8 at Buffalo Bills W 30-16 9 New England Patriots W 52- 0 10 New York Jets W 28-24 11 St. Louis Cardinals W 31-10 12 at New England Patriots W 37-21 13 at New York Giants W 23-13 14 Baltimore Colts W 16- 0 Two shutouts and only one real blowout. Shula's right, the Pats should get an asterisk. After all, they're playing a longer season in a parity league. If they do go undefeated it will be far more impressive than what the Phish did! Ben

11-06-2007, 08:11 PM	#22
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,139	The words bitter old men comes to mind.

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Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	Those 72 guys are disturbingly freaky about that record.

11-06-2007, 08:33 PM	#25
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