Kucinich will force house to vote for Cheney Impeachment! - The Orange Mane

TailgateNut · 11-05-2007, 09:13 AM

One can only hope that the "thinking public" understands that this is the only way to send a message to Bush that if he keeps thinking that war is the only answer and that the US has become a dictatorship, he'll be next on the chopping block. I don't in any way expect the sheep to understand the importance of this vote.

Hopefully more of our reps will represent the sentiments of the public by voting for this motion.

Kucinich says he will force House vote on Cheney impeachmentNick Juliano
Published: Friday November 2, 2007

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) announced he would move to force a vote next week on his resolution calling for the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney.

“The momentum is building for impeachment,” Kucinich said in a statement on his Web site. “Millions of citizens across the nation are demanding Congress rein in the Vice President’s abuse of power.

Kucinich said he plans to introduce a privileged resolution, which would have priority for a House floor vote, on Nov. 6. A vote on the measure would be required within two days.

Observers expect a motion to table Kucinich's resolution, which has 21 Democratic co-sponsors. It is almost certain that such a move to kill the resolution would be successful, but activists are urging members of Congress to support Kucinich's move.

"We need you to ask your representative to vote No on tabling, Yes on giving impeachment a chance," wrote David Swanson on the pro-impeachment Website AfterDowningStreet.org. "Those who vote Yes to table cannot use the excuse that 'We don't have the votes,' since others will at that same instant with exactly the same exertion be voting No. Please scroll down to contact Congress and the media right away!"

Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has long said that impeachment was "off the table" and Kucinich has had little success spurring legislative action on his resolutions, despite the growing number of lawmakers who have signed on as co-sponsors since it was introduced this spring.

Kucinich's full statement is reprinted below:

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Kucinich Will Introduce Privileged Resolution To Force Up Or Down Vote On Cheney Impeachment

WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 2, 2007) — Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) announced today that he will be offering a privileged resolution on the House floor next week that will bring articles of impeachment against the Vice President, Richard B. Cheney.

“The momentum is building for impeachment,” Kucinich said. “Millions of citizens across the nation are demanding Congress rein in the Vice President’s abuse of power.

“Despite this groundswell of opposition to the unconstitutional conduct of office, Vice President Cheney continues to violate the U.S. Constitution by insisting the power of the executive branch is supreme.

“Congress must hold the Vice President accountable. The American people need to let Members of Congress know how they feel about this. The Vice President continues to use his office to advocate for a continued occupation of Iraq and prod our nation into a belligerent stance against Iran. If the Vice President is successful, his actions will ensure decades of disastrous consequences.”

The privileged resolution has priority status for consideration on the House floor. Once introduced, the resolution has to be brought to the floor within two legislative days, although the House could act on it immediately. Kucinich is expected to bring it to the House floor on Tuesday, November 6.

H. Res. 333, Articles of Impeachment against the Vice President, has 21 cosponsors. They are: Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Robert Brady (D-PA), Yvette Clarke (D-NY), Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO), Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), Rep. Sam Farr (D-CA), Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA), Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX), Rep. Henry Johnson (D-GA), Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), Rep. James Moran (D-VA), Rep. Donald Payne (D-NJ), Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-NY), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA), Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) and Rep. Albert Wynn (D-MD).

defenseman · 11-05-2007, 09:24 AM

Sure..could care less at this point....dman

Crushaholic · 11-05-2007, 09:34 AM

We have a vice president who agrees with the president and is willing to push his foreign policy? The horror...

TailgateNut · 11-05-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We have a vice president who agrees with the president and is willing to push his foreign policy? The horror...

Sure am glad to be able to identify those who just follow along without questioning questionable policy.
It's uninformed voters who put us in the position we currently are in.

Bronco Bob · 11-05-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We have a vice president who agrees with the president and is willing to push his foreign policy? The horror...

More like we have a vice president who is pushing his foreign policy on a weak president.

Rohirrim · 11-05-2007, 12:20 PM

Good luck, Dennis the Menace. I'm with you in spirit.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-05-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Sure am glad to be able to identify those who just follow along without questioning questionable policy.
It's uninformed voters who put us in the position we currently are in.

Make that "willfully uninformed and unrepentant voters."

Crushaholic · 11-06-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Sure am glad to be able to identify those who just follow along without questioning questionable policy.
It's uninformed voters who put us in the position we currently are in.

Disagreement with current policy isn't grounds for impeachment. That was my point. He's second-in-command and should take a role on how policy is shaped...

Play2win · 11-06-2007, 10:20 AM

Can't we impeach him for Shooting someone in the FACE?!?

Crushaholic · 11-06-2007, 10:27 AM

In all fairness, the Republicans spent a lot of time searching to impeach Clinton on something...anything. That's where Kenneth Starr came in. Clinton had to be caught in an illegality before articles of impeachment were drawn. Using the vice-presidency as a bully pulpit for the Bush Doctrine is completely legal and appropriate in my book...

Taco John · 11-06-2007, 05:35 PM

Wow! The Democrats had their lunch bags handed to them on this one, and it wasn't sandwhiches that the Republicans left them...

The Republicans literally GAVE the Democrats the opportunity for open debate on this, and in the end, the Democrats sent this thing to be killed in committee never to be seen again.

That was some incredibly deft maneuvering by the Republicans. Unbelievable that given the choices between having to make an open case for impeachment, and looking weak to their party and to the nation, the Democrats opted to look weak.

What a turn of events. I see no reason for Bush not to attack Iran tomorrow if he wanted to. These Democrats aren't going to be able to stop him. They just handed Bush the keys to 2008, wrapped in a bow.

Don't call him a lame duck any longer. This man just got a full tank of gas.

JCMElway · 11-06-2007, 05:41 PM

I'd have to disagree Taco. There really isn't anything substantive to impeach Cheney for, and everyone knows it. Kucinich was just pushing for a vote that did not have a lot of support from his side of the aisle.

Now, should Bush try and pull some shennanigans like, say, attacking Iran, the Dems would have no problem getting together to put that to rest. If it's important of feasible, the Dems will get together to put Bushie in his place.

And nothing is going to stop Hillary in '08. Not that I'm a huge fan, it's just an inevitablility.

Taco John · 11-06-2007, 06:05 PM

Well, whether or not there is substance to impeach Cheney or not, we'll never find out about it. The impeachment idea has pretty well been sunk.

Rohirrim · 11-06-2007, 06:31 PM

I have to agree with TJ on this one. The once proud Democratic Party is a shadow of its former greatness. The giants of its past wouldn't even recognize it. Pelosi and Reid are walking jokes, Schumer and Feinstein fold on the Mankusey nomination, the Dems vote for Bush to attack Iran, and now Bubba is claiming that other Dems are "Swiftboating" Billary. Gaak! Pathetic. Once again, they were given an opportunity to confront the rabid neocons by hitting their number one fear monger and what do they do? Fold. Why didn't they AT MINIMUM accept the invitation of the Repugs to hold the debate on the floor and blast away at the lying bastard? TJ is right. Bush will not go back to this Congress for anything. He has nothing to fear from them and he will do whatever he wants to do.

Bob · 11-06-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Sure am glad to be able to identify those who just follow along without questioning questionable policy.
It's uninformed voters who put us in the position we currently are in.

I think he should be impeached becuase he is a conservative...

Oh, wait, that's what appears to be happening.

Bush and Cheney will be gone soon --

Cheney is no angel, but I am increasingly convinced that who ever is president will have to fight off various legal issues their entire adminstration no matter if they are guilty of crimes or not. When/if Hilary gets elected she will likely have to fight off various legal issues, and that weakens us all. Sorry, I am just cynical of both parties interest in getting at the truth.

Somehow, I think that after Bush and Cheney are gone all of this talk will fade away magicly -- if they are guilty of some real crimes, it will have legs --then good nail them to the wall after they are out (when there is not the political gain that polutes the thinking and motivation of folks.)

Rohirrim · 11-06-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

I think he should be impeached becuase he is a conservative...

Oh, wait, that's what appears to be happening.

Bush and Cheney will be gone soon --

Cheney is no angel, but I am increasingly convinced that who ever is president will have to fight off various legal issues their entire adminstration no matter if they are guilty of crimes or not. When/if Hilary gets elected she will likely have to fight off various legal issues, and that weakens us all. Sorry, I am just cynical of both parties interest in getting at the truth.

Somehow, I think that after Bush and Cheney are gone all of this talk will fade away magicly -- if they are guilty of some real crimes, it will have legs --then good nail them to the wall after they are out (when there is not the political gain that polutes the thinking and motivation of folks.)

Cheney is only a conservative if you've changed the inherent meaning of that word.

Taco John · 11-06-2007, 08:12 PM

Here's a pretty good account of the Democrats getting completely embarassed today:

Don't mind the source... You know what they say: the victors write the history...

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/06...rst-bush-next/

Bob · 11-06-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Cheney is only a conservative if you've changed the inherent meaning of that word.

Maybe true.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 11-06-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

The impeachment idea has pretty well been sunk.

I dunno about that.

Who knows - he might still get a BJ from an intern sometime between now and the end of his term.

Rigs11 · 11-06-2007, 09:20 PM

And the democrats wimp out again. I'm done with this party. Why are the dems so scared to impeach a vice president with a 9% approval rating?

TheDave · 11-06-2007, 11:31 PM

What am I missing here?

Kucinich introduced a privileged resolution regarding articles of impeachment thus allowing him to get this resolution read into the official record (and of course some air time on CSPAN)... it was voted on and PASSED.

Now it goes to the Judiciary Comittee... If supported an official impeachment inquiry begins and the resolution returns to the house in order to draft articles of impeachment (if i can remember my Civics class).

I'm not sure how that gets turned into the democrats got their lunch handed to them...

Taco John · 11-07-2007, 02:59 AM

It goes to the Judiciary Committee to die an instant death. The Democrats basically whipped it out and let 'er rip on their base.

The fact that it was passed with the joke on the Democrats, who did everything they could to vote it down. Their base watched in horror as the Republicans voted in favor of an impeachment debate as a taunt, and the Democrats struggled to vote it down. Eventually, the Democrats managed to get it shuttled off to the judiciary committee where it is effectively dead. But the joke today was on the Democrats. The Republicans played chicken with them, and the Democrats ran off crying.

Their base is very upset with them right now.

TailgateNut · 11-07-2007, 09:35 AM

What baffles me are the people who think impeachment is a BAD IDEA. Not only would it send a message to the current administration that we are not in favor of a goverment by the goverment rather than a goverment which supports the sentiments of its' citizens, but it would also make it clear to future administrations.

Those who gloat if and when this resolution dies should do some soul searching and should determine if the current way goverment does business is based on our constitution, if it considers the Bill of rights and if it is based on compassion for others.

One final word: ACCOUNTABILITY!

Rigs11 · 11-07-2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

What baffles me are the people who think impeachment is a BAD IDEA. Not only would it send a message to the current administration that we are not in favor of a goverment by the goverment rather than a goverment which supports the sentiments of its' citizens, but it would also make it clear to future administrations.

Those who gloat if and when this resolution dies should do some soul searching and should determine if the current way goverment does business is based on our constitution, if it considers the Bill of rights and if it is based on compassion for others.

One final word: ACCOUNTABILITY!

The dems are too stupid to realize that this would be a good thing. If cheney was impeached the repubs would have to defend his push for war wiih iraq, torture, his push for war with iran, outing of plame..etc. If the dems had any balls they would pursue this and outsmart the repubs.

TailgateNut · 11-07-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

The dems are too stupid to realize that this would be a good thing. If cheney was impeached the repubs would have to defend his push for war wiih iraq, torture, his push for war with iran, outing of plame..etc. If the dems had any balls they would pursue this and outsmart the repubs.

The core problem is that the public is to busy watching re-runs of american idol. They don't make the time to write and call their reps and give them a piece of their mind.

I've written more letters to my rep and senator this year than I've written in my whole voting life.

In fact Udall and Salazar will be getting a juicy one from me today!

11-05-2007, 09:13 AM	#1
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	Kucinich will force house to vote for Cheney Impeachment! One can only hope that the "thinking public" understands that this is the only way to send a message to Bush that if he keeps thinking that war is the only answer and that the US has become a dictatorship, he'll be next on the chopping block. I don't in any way expect the sheep to understand the importance of this vote. Hopefully more of our reps will represent the sentiments of the public by voting for this motion. Kucinich says he will force House vote on Cheney impeachmentNick Juliano Published: Friday November 2, 2007 Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) announced he would move to force a vote next week on his resolution calling for the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney. “The momentum is building for impeachment,” Kucinich said in a statement on his Web site. “Millions of citizens across the nation are demanding Congress rein in the Vice President’s abuse of power. Kucinich said he plans to introduce a privileged resolution, which would have priority for a House floor vote, on Nov. 6. A vote on the measure would be required within two days. Observers expect a motion to table Kucinich's resolution, which has 21 Democratic co-sponsors. It is almost certain that such a move to kill the resolution would be successful, but activists are urging members of Congress to support Kucinich's move. "We need you to ask your representative to vote No on tabling, Yes on giving impeachment a chance," wrote David Swanson on the pro-impeachment Website AfterDowningStreet.org. "Those who vote Yes to table cannot use the excuse that 'We don't have the votes,' since others will at that same instant with exactly the same exertion be voting No. Please scroll down to contact Congress and the media right away!" Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has long said that impeachment was "off the table" and Kucinich has had little success spurring legislative action on his resolutions, despite the growing number of lawmakers who have signed on as co-sponsors since it was introduced this spring. Kucinich's full statement is reprinted below: # Kucinich Will Introduce Privileged Resolution To Force Up Or Down Vote On Cheney Impeachment WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 2, 2007) — Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) announced today that he will be offering a privileged resolution on the House floor next week that will bring articles of impeachment against the Vice President, Richard B. Cheney. “The momentum is building for impeachment,” Kucinich said. “Millions of citizens across the nation are demanding Congress rein in the Vice President’s abuse of power. “Despite this groundswell of opposition to the unconstitutional conduct of office, Vice President Cheney continues to violate the U.S. Constitution by insisting the power of the executive branch is supreme. “Congress must hold the Vice President accountable. The American people need to let Members of Congress know how they feel about this. The Vice President continues to use his office to advocate for a continued occupation of Iraq and prod our nation into a belligerent stance against Iran. If the Vice President is successful, his actions will ensure decades of disastrous consequences.” The privileged resolution has priority status for consideration on the House floor. Once introduced, the resolution has to be brought to the floor within two legislative days, although the House could act on it immediately. Kucinich is expected to bring it to the House floor on Tuesday, November 6. H. Res. 333, Articles of Impeachment against the Vice President, has 21 cosponsors. They are: Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Robert Brady (D-PA), Yvette Clarke (D-NY), Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO), Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), Rep. Sam Farr (D-CA), Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA), Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX), Rep. Henry Johnson (D-GA), Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), Rep. James Moran (D-VA), Rep. Donald Payne (D-NJ), Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-NY), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA), Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) and Rep. Albert Wynn (D-MD).

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11-05-2007, 09:24 AM	#2
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	Sure..could care less at this point....dman

11-05-2007, 09:34 AM	#3
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,041	We have a vice president who agrees with the president and is willing to push his foreign policy? The horror...

11-05-2007, 12:20 PM	#6
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,814	Good luck, Dennis the Menace. I'm with you in spirit.

11-06-2007, 10:20 AM	#9
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Can't we impeach him for Shooting someone in the FACE?!?

11-06-2007, 10:27 AM	#10
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,041	In all fairness, the Republicans spent a lot of time searching to impeach Clinton on something...anything. That's where Kenneth Starr came in. Clinton had to be caught in an illegality before articles of impeachment were drawn. Using the vice-presidency as a bully pulpit for the Bush Doctrine is completely legal and appropriate in my book...

11-06-2007, 05:35 PM	#11
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Wow! The Democrats had their lunch bags handed to them on this one, and it wasn't sandwhiches that the Republicans left them... The Republicans literally GAVE the Democrats the opportunity for open debate on this, and in the end, the Democrats sent this thing to be killed in committee never to be seen again. That was some incredibly deft maneuvering by the Republicans. Unbelievable that given the choices between having to make an open case for impeachment, and looking weak to their party and to the nation, the Democrats opted to look weak. What a turn of events. I see no reason for Bush not to attack Iran tomorrow if he wanted to. These Democrats aren't going to be able to stop him. They just handed Bush the keys to 2008, wrapped in a bow. Don't call him a lame duck any longer. This man just got a full tank of gas.

11-06-2007, 05:41 PM	#12
JCMElway Moderate-erator Dominate! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 6,867 Adopt-a-Bronco: Oleg	I'd have to disagree Taco. There really isn't anything substantive to impeach Cheney for, and everyone knows it. Kucinich was just pushing for a vote that did not have a lot of support from his side of the aisle. Now, should Bush try and pull some shennanigans like, say, attacking Iran, the Dems would have no problem getting together to put that to rest. If it's important of feasible, the Dems will get together to put Bushie in his place. And nothing is going to stop Hillary in '08. Not that I'm a huge fan, it's just an inevitablility.

11-06-2007, 06:05 PM	#13
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Well, whether or not there is substance to impeach Cheney or not, we'll never find out about it. The impeachment idea has pretty well been sunk.

11-06-2007, 06:31 PM	#14
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,814	I have to agree with TJ on this one. The once proud Democratic Party is a shadow of its former greatness. The giants of its past wouldn't even recognize it. Pelosi and Reid are walking jokes, Schumer and Feinstein fold on the Mankusey nomination, the Dems vote for Bush to attack Iran, and now Bubba is claiming that other Dems are "Swiftboating" Billary. Gaak! Pathetic. Once again, they were given an opportunity to confront the rabid neocons by hitting their number one fear monger and what do they do? Fold. Why didn't they AT MINIMUM accept the invitation of the Repugs to hold the debate on the floor and blast away at the lying bastard? TJ is right. Bush will not go back to this Congress for anything. He has nothing to fear from them and he will do whatever he wants to do.

11-06-2007, 08:12 PM	#17
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Here's a pretty good account of the Democrats getting completely embarassed today: Don't mind the source... You know what they say: the victors write the history... http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/06...rst-bush-next/

11-06-2007, 09:20 PM	#20
Rigs11 Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,820	And the democrats wimp out again. I'm done with this party. Why are the dems so scared to impeach a vice president with a 9% approval rating?

11-06-2007, 11:31 PM	#21
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	What am I missing here? Kucinich introduced a privileged resolution regarding articles of impeachment thus allowing him to get this resolution read into the official record (and of course some air time on CSPAN)... it was voted on and PASSED. Now it goes to the Judiciary Comittee... If supported an official impeachment inquiry begins and the resolution returns to the house in order to draft articles of impeachment (if i can remember my Civics class). I'm not sure how that gets turned into the democrats got their lunch handed to them...

11-07-2007, 02:59 AM	#22
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	It goes to the Judiciary Committee to die an instant death. The Democrats basically whipped it out and let 'er rip on their base. The fact that it was passed with the joke on the Democrats, who did everything they could to vote it down. Their base watched in horror as the Republicans voted in favor of an impeachment debate as a taunt, and the Democrats struggled to vote it down. Eventually, the Democrats managed to get it shuttled off to the judiciary committee where it is effectively dead. But the joke today was on the Democrats. The Republicans played chicken with them, and the Democrats ran off crying. Their base is very upset with them right now.

11-07-2007, 09:35 AM	#23
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	What baffles me are the people who think impeachment is a BAD IDEA. Not only would it send a message to the current administration that we are not in favor of a goverment by the goverment rather than a goverment which supports the sentiments of its' citizens, but it would also make it clear to future administrations. Those who gloat if and when this resolution dies should do some soul searching and should determine if the current way goverment does business is based on our constitution, if it considers the Bill of rights and if it is based on compassion for others. One final word: ACCOUNTABILITY!