Kubiak is missed in Denver.

[24champ]

I don't think it is a coincidence that ever since Kubiak left that our play calling has sucked big time.Yeah I know with the offensive play calling is typically Shanny's job, but is Dinger just relaying the calls or what? Does this guy have any input at all? I mean a QB draw in the waning seconds of the game with no timeouts? I'm not saying fire Dinger but if things don't change this year he needs to go in the offseason.

[bpc]

I do miss Kubes. Unfortunately he would have to tank the rest of this year and next season to get on the unemployment line... and we would also have to fire zinger because I doubt anybody will be running up to him offering head jobs.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by bpc

I do miss Kubes. Unfortunately he would have to tank the rest of this year and next season to get on the unemployment line... and we would also have to fire zinger because I doubt anybody will be running up to him offering head jobs.

Well yeah I don't expect Kubiak to be fired at all by the Texans, he is in a very tough division.

Back to the Broncos it just seems like whenever we are about to score in the redzone, our offense just turns into a different offense and takes a crap. We don't take chances or play with guts.

[DukeWoody]

No, Shanahans balls are missing in Denver, period...WHY?? doesn't he call a pass play and go for the win when the team did all that work to drive all the way down the feild?? His nads have turned into rasins and he robbed the team of a potential victory...This loss really sucks!!..and Shanny needs to grow a new set SOON!!!

[enjolras]

He's incredibly conservative for sure... he needs to go on a fishing trip with Hawkins at Colorado. Maybe some guts will rub off on him or something.

[enjolras]

And you know.. they always say the team gets its personality from the coach. Call plays like a b**** and your team plays like a bunch of b****es.

Just sayin.

[cutman0122]

Agree wholeheartedly! The non-attempt to score and win on third down was incredibly perplexing. Why would anyone go for a tie when a shot at a win is available?

[DukeWoody]

Originally Posted by cutman0122

Agree wholeheartedly! The non-attempt to score and win on third down was incredibly perplexing. Why would anyone go for a tie when a shot at a win is available?

Especially knowing an incompletion in the end-zone would stop the clock...then there wouldn't have been a need for all the last second, rush on the FG unit, risking some sort of penalty or time elapse, end of game or whatever drama to try and kick the FG...all the things that could go wrong in that type of chaous, it just makes the attempted sneak with 25 sec. left that much more baffling??

[TexanBob]

I felt the game should not have made it to overtime. The Broncos had chances to score touchdowns and didn't. They botched that last trip to red zone like they had no clue what to do down there.

As for Kubiak, he may be fired sooner than you think. The Texans played with no heart against San Diego. Their starting quarterback gets a cheap shot blow to the head after an interception and there was not one attempt to retaliate. None. Dammit, if I were the head coach I would have piled on Philip Rivers even if it came two minutes after the whistle just to make the point. I would have offered to pay the fines and told the press afterwards "Hell, yes, I ordered that!".

Each loss is more dispirited than the one before it and afterwards Kubiak blames bad coaching. Okay, then who's responsible for all this bad coaching and why isn't he fired? Kubiak may be a great coordinator but he's sucking badly as head coach.

[Blart]

With Kubiak, '05 AFC Championship.

Without Kubiak, '06 missed playoffs.

Pretty much the same team.

[elsid13]

IT funny when Kubiak was here, people were calling for his head because of the Nintendo game plans, now with him gone everyone wants him back.

The problem Denver isn't effectively running the ball this season. If the run game was working properly everything else would fall into place.

[fontaine]

Screw Kubiak.

He openly admitted to the press that he had lost confidence in his red zone playcalling a few weeks ago.

Shanahan doesn't miss Kubiak. It's the other way around.

[Spider]

Joe Collier is more missed in Denver ...... But then there has never Been a Coach like Collier , probably never will be again .....

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Screw Kubiak.

He openly admitted to the press that he had lost confidence in his red zone playcalling a few weeks ago.

Shanahan doesn't miss Kubiak. It's the other way around.

Please. Plummer didn't know whether to **** or wind his wristwatch once Kubiak left.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Please. Plummer didn't know whether to **** or wind his wristwatch once Kubiak left.

I understand that. I'm talking about this year.

[missingnumber7]

I knew after they ran right before the 2 min warning that shanny was playing for the field goal. I stayed up till 330 am to watch the defense play great...shoot even Rice wasn't that bad...and what happens shanny goes for the fg? He didn't even take a shot at the endzone he takes a sneak with cutler to get a first down. He calls a play for the endzone cutler can throw it away...clock stops no rush to get the kicking team on. Or...idiots from green bay get called for another pass interferance and 1st and goal on the 1.

All in all...the play calling was really conservative all night long. I don't remember cutler looking more than 15 yards down field all night long.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I understand that. I'm talking about this year.

You're jamming on a guy who gave us the better part of two decades of service because he made a silly comment after a frustrating loss. Meanwhile, that team is vastly improved on offense this year, despite the loss of Andre Johnson, by far the best player on that unit.

Last year, Houston was 28th in points and 28th in yardage. This year, they're 7th in points and 3rd in yardage.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/htxindex.htm

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

You're jamming on a guy who gave us the better part of two decades of service because he made a silly comment after a frustrating loss. Meanwhile, that team is vastly improved on offense this year, despite the loss of Andre Johnson, by far the best player on that unit.

Last year, Houston was 28th in points and 28th in yardage. This year, they're 7th in points and 3rd in yardage.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/htxindex.htm

Aww ****, you are bringing logic and facts to a b**** fight Jim.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

You're jamming on a guy who gave us the better part of two decades of service because he made a silly comment after a frustrating loss. Meanwhile, that team is vastly improved on offense this year, despite the loss of Andre Johnson, by far the best player on that unit.

Last year, Houston was 28th in points and 28th in yardage. This year, they're 7th in points and 3rd in yardage.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/htxindex.htm

I'm not punking out Kubiak. I'm just saying every time something goes wrong with the offense it's the same tired crap of "we miss kubiak" etc etc.

The guy is gone and we don't need this thread every time the Broncos lose.

I know I'll get stoned for it but I have no problems with that QB draw.

22 seconds left no timeouts. We can't risk a run, so we can pass the ball or try something else. Harris and Woodson hadn't given up hardly anything all day in the red zone and the only TD we got was to Scheff with Jay having to look off the DBs by gesturing to Marshall to go left.

We spread them out with three wide, we got the match up we wanted in Green Bay's front 7 against our 6 linemen, fake to Sapp in the backfield to blast open a hole and Cutler to run it in.

Except Sapp slipped right in the hole clogging that up, and Pears let his man get outside of him so Jay had no place to run, he cut back inside and then he tripped up himself. The play call was fine, the execution killed us.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Screw Kubiak.

He openly admitted to the press that he had lost confidence in his red zone playcalling a few weeks ago.

Shanahan doesn't miss Kubiak. It's the other way around.

disagree. Shanahan's lustre being depicted as the "mastermind" has been dulled for a few years now. The playcalling by whomever is performing those duties is atrocious. When put into a position to go for the throat, the playcalling in this game was weak and in one case executed poorly enough to cause a turnover. In another, forced a chinese fire drill to get the game into overtime. It looked ridiculous. I'd be embarassed. At the minumum it was uninspirational and not in keeping with an offense looking to win the game, but an offense looking to "not lose". At some point, shanahan has got to go with the cards he's dealt HIMSELF, Cutler, trust him, and bear the weight of the results. Playing not to lose is wasting everyone's time, including the players. If I were on the offense, I'd be pretty damn pissed off right now. They had shots to get it done, the coaches and players quite simply failed to do so. Why? they played not to lose, poor playcalling at least partially culpable....dman

*Shanahan, has lost some of his credibility from where I sit. I quite simply can't and won't trust him to take this team anywhere "right now". At some point, when you've hit the wall, you've got to throw caution to the wind and just go for it, I don't think he's got it in him to do so. Until he does, I wouldn't be hanging my hat on a consistent performance, let alone an inspired and entertaining performance from this years version of the broncos. I no longer give him any wiggle room based on the teams past playoff successes and percentages, from where I sit he's no different than any other mediocre coach out there. Fortunately, their failures have no affect on my day to day life. As someone else here said though, I just wish Shanahan would grow a pair and go for it.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by defenseman

disagree. Shanahan's lustre being depicted as the "mastermind" has been dulled for a few years now. The playcalling by whomever is performing those duties is atrocious. When put into a position to go for the throat, the playcalling in this game was weak and in one case executed poorly enough to cause a turnover. In another, forced a chinese fire drill to get the game into overtime. It looked ridiculous. I'd be embarassed. At the minumum it was uninspirational and not in keeping with an offense looking to win the game, but an offense looking to "not lose". At some point, shanahan has got to go with the cards he's dealt HIMSELF, Cutler, trust him, and bear the weight of the results. Playing not to lose is wasting everyone's time, including the players. If I were on the offense, I'd be pretty damn pissed off right now. They had shots to get it done, the coaches and players quite simply failed to do so. Why? they played not to lose, poor playcalling at least partially culpable....dman

I don't like to generalize so I won't talk about playcalling all season long.

If you want to talk about specifics like this game then sure. Playcalling is one thing. Execution is another. The fumble was execution. Kuper performing a great ball strip move on his own QB is exeuction, not playcalling. The chinese fire drill was execution (Sapp slipping in the hole instead of taking out a LBer, then Jay slipping down as well).

Two different things.

To give you an example 9 out of 10 head coaches would think it's a horrible play call to lob the ball deep to a WR that double/triple covered.

Except Brady does it at least three/four times a game with Moss because their execution is perfect and Moss plays the ball perfectly in the air.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

I knew after they ran right before the 2 min warning that shanny was playing for the field goal. I stayed up till 330 am to watch the defense play great...shoot even Rice wasn't that bad...and what happens shanny goes for the fg? He didn't even take a shot at the endzone he takes a sneak with cutler to get a first down. He calls a play for the endzone cutler can throw it away...clock stops no rush to get the kicking team on. Or...idiots from green bay get called for another pass interferance and 1st and goal on the 1.

All in all...the play calling was really conservative all night long. I don't remember cutler looking more than 15 yards down field all night long.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Originally Posted by 24champbailey

I don't think it is a coincidence that ever since Kubiak left that our play calling has sucked big time.Yeah I know with the offensive play calling is typically Shanny's job, but is Dinger just relaying the calls or what? Does this guy have any input at all? I mean a QB draw in the waning seconds of the game with no timeouts? I'm not saying fire Dinger but if things don't change this year he needs to go in the offseason.

Our red zone and 2 minute offenses are just sickening. Shanny turns into the second coming of Dan Reeves down there now, EVEN after seeing Cutler throw with ease on these guys all the way down. Then, in the final minute, he runs a qb draw on 3rd down Cutler had been shredding these guys and the best they can come up with is a qb draw? I'm no Rich Kotite but if he gets stopped, the clock runs and we lose valuable time. If Cutler throws, we get a clock stoppage if it falls incomplete and can get the fg unit out there with no trouble.

Shanny is lost without Kubes, it's not hard to see.

[Stormontheplains]

i have the NFL ticket and have watched 3 texans games and I will tell you right now, they call the game the exact same way. Johnson is the only difference when they can hit him deep. Same red zone runs, same play action hitting the fullback in the flat, he would help Culter, but not improve play calling

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

i have the NFL ticket and have watched 3 texans games and I will tell you right now, they call the game the exact same way. Johnson is the only difference when they can hit him deep. Same red zone runs, same play action hitting the fullback in the flat, he would help Culter, but not improve play calling

WQell Ive watched every Texan game this year and when they had the full weapons arsenol, the Texans were a very differently run team. Since Green and Johnson and Jones are all down, this team has had to go much more conservative.

Their main receiver is Andre Davis for god's sake.

Kubiak with what we have in Denver = 30+ points per game of that I have absolutely no doubt. Even weakened with injury, we are more talented than a fully loaded Texan offense.