Well, Quentin Moses available again - The Orange Mane

Rulon Velvet Jones · 10-16-2007, 02:55 PM

Cardinals | Moses released
Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:47:03 -0700

The Sports Network reports the Arizona Cardinals released DL Quentin Moses Tuesday, Oct. 16. Moses was released to make room on the roster for QB Tim Hasselbeck.

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Must not be as good as previously advertised.

TheReverend · 10-16-2007, 02:56 PM

Thought the Oakland move was a "mistake"? Maybe they pick him back up

Maximus · 10-16-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Thought the Oakland move was a "mistake"? Maybe they pick him back up

I hope so... he's a specialist 3rd downs only... liability against the run... like Dumerville

CBF1 · 10-16-2007, 03:58 PM

If this guy was dropped for the lesser Hasslebeck, what could he possible be worth

Borks147 · 10-16-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus

I hope so... he's a specialist 3rd downs only... liability against the run... like Dumerville

Dumervil is a starter and one of the better players against the run...but other than that you're right.

bpc · 10-16-2007, 04:32 PM

Shoot, I wasn't in love with him coming out but if we move some people around on our practice squad, I would bring him in.

Look for the Patriots to sign him and make him into a beast in their 3-4.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-16-2007, 05:43 PM

He was great in his junior year. I would certainly bring him on the PS to see if something could be made of him.

elsid13 · 10-16-2007, 05:53 PM

Was he playing DE or LB for Arizona??

Kaylore · 10-16-2007, 06:40 PM

That's because anyone that watched any tape on him would notice that he sucks.

azbroncfan · 10-16-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aborquez147

Dumervil is a starter and one of the better players against the run...but other than that you're right.

Dumerville is not good against the run. He tends to run himself out of a lot of plays. In fact Denver doesn't have a DE that is good against the run. Engleberger probably plays the run the best and when JE is the best on the roster at something your team is in trouble.

Broncos_OTM · 10-18-2007, 08:30 AM

ill pass on him he dropped in the spring now he is being dropped by NFL teams. if it was a DT i would jump but another DE no thanks

Raiders Rock · 10-18-2007, 08:55 AM

Arizona thought they had a jewel too... we just blew a pick on the guy is all.

Well maybe he won't rob people and stuff later this yr

BroncoBuff · 10-18-2007, 01:32 PM

Somethig is very strange about this guy Moses. They all sing his praises - even Lane Kiffin praised him highly after they cut him. He must be a bad character, cause his size and speed alone make him worthy of a practice squad somewhere. Article from 6 weeks ago, when the Cards picked him up:

Moses too good to pass up
Arizona jumped when Oakland dumped Moses
by Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 4, 2007 12:00 AM

When the Oakland Raiders cut defensive end Quentin Moses last week, the reaction was typical to that of many of their personnel moves: What were they thinking, cutting a third-round pick with pass-rushing skills?

In the NFL, it's hard to give up so early on a 6-foot-5, 260-pounder who has the size and athletic ability to become a decent pass rusher. Was owner Al Davis overruling the coaching staff? Did the Raiders' front office make a paperwork error?

The Cardinals don't much care. Surprised that Moses was available, they claimed him on waivers Sunday, and he practiced with them for the first time Monday.

"He has a chance to be an excellent pass rusher," Cardinals General Manager Rod Graves said. "When you have a guy like that who has that kind of frame, athletic ability, speed, you have to be patient and work with those kids. "It gives us a chance to develop a guy like that and get something out of him."

The Raiders say they let Moses go simply because they had better players. Coach Lane Kiffin raved about Moses at the end of training camp, calling his performance "outstanding." But Moses, who played at Georgia, was beaten out by another rookie, Jay Richardson, a fifth-rounder out of Ohio State.

On Sunday, Kiffin told reporters that Moses "will be a good player in this league. But at the end of looking at all of it, we had other people that could help us more. I think it shows everything that we're about here, about how competitive this field is, that a player as good as Quentin couldn't make the roster. Also, it shows that we're not worried about where a guy was drafted or how much a guy was paid in free agency."

The Cardinals essentially said the same thing Friday when they released their third-round pick, linebacker Buster Davis out of Florida State. The Cardinals rated Moses in their top 120 players coming out of the draft, Graves said. With outside linebacker/defensive end Chike Okeafor out for the year, the team needed some depth at the position.

Moses begins his career as one of the backups to Bertrand Berry and Joe Tafoya, who play the weak-side defensive end/outside linebacker spot in the 3-4 scheme. The Cardinals aren't sure if that's where Moses will stay.

"We don't know enough about him, as far as how he'll fit in," coach Ken Whisenhunt said. "You miss training camp with him, so you kind of find out about that on the run."

It's a different spot for Moses, who is accustomed to playing as a down defensive end in a 4-3 alignment. "I've never played standing up," Moses said. "Before the draft, a lot of teams talked to me about playing that system."

In college, Moses' forte was rushing the passer, and he was good enough at it to be rated a first-day draft pick by many teams. "That will probably be the reason why most people give me a shot," Moses said after practice Monday. "I know it ain't for run-stoppin'."

Moses called his release "somewhat of a surprise," but he found out quickly that the NFL is a business. "Sometimes things just don't work out," he said. "Everybody is good on this level. I had a somewhat good camp, but some other guys had good camps also."

I guess BroncoBuff cops to being wrong about this guy - I wanted Moses - even over Crowder. I thought he was a poor man's Gaines Adams and could develop into a good 3rd down pass rusher. It's still a bit early on Crowder, but he's gotta be better than this loser.

So ... I was wrong about re-signing Kyle Johnson, and apparently about Moses. That's TWICE I've been wrong, if you're scoring at home. Or even if you're alone.

cadencesdad · 10-18-2007, 01:36 PM

Maybe another victim of the hip-hop culture?

ayjackson · 10-18-2007, 02:04 PM

So what happened to Buster Davis? We need LBs.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-18-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Somethig is very strange about this guy Moses. They all sing his praises - even Lane Kiffin praised him highly after they cut him. He must be a bad character, cause his size and speed alone make him worthy of a practice squad somewhere. Article from 6 weeks ago, when the Cards picked him up:
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Actually that is not the case. He is a very high character guy. There was an article in ESPN Magazine before his senior year talking about his personal life and how much he had overcome and how much he was giving back.

He is a real mystery to me. Before his senior year he looked like a sure thing, top ten pick, then he just kind of went completely in the tank during his senior year.

10-16-2007, 02:55 PM	#1
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	Well, Quentin Moses available again Cardinals \| Moses released Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:47:03 -0700 The Sports Network reports the Arizona Cardinals released DL Quentin Moses Tuesday, Oct. 16. Moses was released to make room on the roster for QB Tim Hasselbeck. ----- Must not be as good as previously advertised.

10-18-2007, 01:32 PM	#13
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Somethig is very strange about this guy Moses. They all sing his praises - even Lane Kiffin praised him highly after they cut him. He must be a bad character, cause his size and speed alone make him worthy of a practice squad somewhere. Article from 6 weeks ago, when the Cards picked him up: Moses too good to pass up Arizona jumped when Oakland dumped Moses by Kent Somers The Arizona Republic Sept. 4, 2007 12:00 AM When the Oakland Raiders cut defensive end Quentin Moses last week, the reaction was typical to that of many of their personnel moves: What were they thinking, cutting a third-round pick with pass-rushing skills? In the NFL, it's hard to give up so early on a 6-foot-5, 260-pounder who has the size and athletic ability to become a decent pass rusher. Was owner Al Davis overruling the coaching staff? Did the Raiders' front office make a paperwork error? The Cardinals don't much care. Surprised that Moses was available, they claimed him on waivers Sunday, and he practiced with them for the first time Monday. "He has a chance to be an excellent pass rusher," Cardinals General Manager Rod Graves said. "When you have a guy like that who has that kind of frame, athletic ability, speed, you have to be patient and work with those kids. "It gives us a chance to develop a guy like that and get something out of him." The Raiders say they let Moses go simply because they had better players. Coach Lane Kiffin raved about Moses at the end of training camp, calling his performance "outstanding." But Moses, who played at Georgia, was beaten out by another rookie, Jay Richardson, a fifth-rounder out of Ohio State. On Sunday, Kiffin told reporters that Moses "will be a good player in this league. But at the end of looking at all of it, we had other people that could help us more. I think it shows everything that we're about here, about how competitive this field is, that a player as good as Quentin couldn't make the roster. Also, it shows that we're not worried about where a guy was drafted or how much a guy was paid in free agency." The Cardinals essentially said the same thing Friday when they released their third-round pick, linebacker Buster Davis out of Florida State. The Cardinals rated Moses in their top 120 players coming out of the draft, Graves said. With outside linebacker/defensive end Chike Okeafor out for the year, the team needed some depth at the position. Moses begins his career as one of the backups to Bertrand Berry and Joe Tafoya, who play the weak-side defensive end/outside linebacker spot in the 3-4 scheme. The Cardinals aren't sure if that's where Moses will stay. "We don't know enough about him, as far as how he'll fit in," coach Ken Whisenhunt said. "You miss training camp with him, so you kind of find out about that on the run." It's a different spot for Moses, who is accustomed to playing as a down defensive end in a 4-3 alignment. "I've never played standing up," Moses said. "Before the draft, a lot of teams talked to me about playing that system." In college, Moses' forte was rushing the passer, and he was good enough at it to be rated a first-day draft pick by many teams. "That will probably be the reason why most people give me a shot," Moses said after practice Monday. "I know it ain't for run-stoppin'." Moses called his release "somewhat of a surprise," but he found out quickly that the NFL is a business. "Sometimes things just don't work out," he said. "Everybody is good on this level. I had a somewhat good camp, but some other guys had good camps also." I guess BroncoBuff cops to being wrong about this guy - I wanted Moses - even over Crowder. I thought he was a poor man's Gaines Adams and could develop into a good 3rd down pass rusher. It's still a bit early on Crowder, but he's gotta be better than this loser. So ... I was wrong about re-signing Kyle Johnson, and apparently about Moses. That's TWICE I've been wrong, if you're scoring at home. Or even if you're alone.

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10-16-2007, 02:56 PM	#2
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,003 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Thought the Oakland move was a "mistake"? Maybe they pick him back up

10-16-2007, 03:58 PM	#4
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	If this guy was dropped for the lesser Hasslebeck, what could he possible be worth

10-16-2007, 04:32 PM	#6
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,570 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Shoot, I wasn't in love with him coming out but if we move some people around on our practice squad, I would bring him in. Look for the Patriots to sign him and make him into a beast in their 3-4.

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10-18-2007, 08:30 AM	#11
Broncos_OTM Born Again HOOLIGAN Broncos Over All Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,540 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	ill pass on him he dropped in the spring now he is being dropped by NFL teams. if it was a DT i would jump but another DE no thanks

10-18-2007, 08:55 AM	#12
Raiders Rock The Darkside RaidersKickAss.com Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,571	Arizona thought they had a jewel too... we just blew a pick on the guy is all. Well maybe he won't rob people and stuff later this yr

10-18-2007, 01:36 PM	#14
cadencesdad Rookie 11-5 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 84	Maybe another victim of the hip-hop culture?

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ayjackson Pro Bowler Not so new to the forum Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 699 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	So what happened to Buster Davis? We need LBs.