Sharpe talks Broncos on Sirius Radio - The Orange Mane

SoCalBronco · 10-13-2007, 04:02 PM

Sharpe Talks Broncos on Sirius Radio
Sat Oct 13 11:24 PDT

Listening to Sirius NFL Radio yesterday and was able to catch a caller’s question to Shannon Sharpe (who co-hosts with Brian McGovern) regarding the Broncos. Here’s what was said:

Caller: Hey I got some questions, especially for Shannon. What’s going on with the Denver Broncos? You’ve got to be watching your old team - I mean, I’ve been kinda expecting here the defense to be a little slow off the ball, and slowly gelling as the year moves along in the new Jim Bates system. I expected the Special Teams to be getting better with them bringing that guru in there [edit: Scott O’Brien], but their offense is not that good. I was watching them, and I was actually really impressed with the first half at Indy. They were up on Indy, they were ahead at one point, they held ‘em, they were right in the game until the end of the first half. And then they lost the game, but I kinda expected that being the game was in Indianapolis, but I mean… last week, that wasn’t the same team that showed up. What’s going on with these guys?

Shannon: Well, let’s start with the defensive side of the football. They can’t stop the run. They have patchwork guys trying to get [indecipherable] men’s work done. They’re just not very good defensively. I’m not so sure if you take Champ Bailey and Dre Bly out of that defense, that you don’t want really anyone else. D.J. Williams is playing out of position. Ian Gold is playing his [D.J.’s] position but is playing all over the field, and Nate Webster, uh, he’s a guy. He plays well, but I don’t know if that’s a guy you say you’re pinning your hopes on getting it done. Elvis Dumervil - he can do some things. He can rush the passer, he’s a lot better playing the run than I anticipated…

BM: Yeah.

Shannon: ...and I think a lot better than a lot of people anticipated. I don’t know if the offense is that bad, but Jay Cutler has not progressed in my estimation. When I look at it, I see the same guy, making the same mistakes that he made last year, and when you can run the ball - I mean they have Travis Henry who is the second leading rusher in the National Football League - there’s no reason. Well obviously with Javon WalkerBrandon Marshall being a #1 receiver when you’re really counting on him to be a #2 receiver. being out, that hurts them, because you’re now counting on

But defensively, they can’t stop the run. And if you can’t stop the run, you can’t win in the NFL. Period.

BM: How about Shanahan saying he was embarassed? You know, and we saw half of that stadium gone in that third quarter, Shannon. You don’t see that a whole lot in Denver.

Shannon: I was embarassed! And I don’t even play! So imagine how they felt!

BM: Tough spot. 41-3, I mean, geeze.

Shannon: At home! At home!

BM: Made Rivers look like Johnny Unitas!

Shannon: You know, I’m trying to think. I think the worst I got beat in my career was probably 41-19. The Raiders beat us one year, 1994, I believe 41-19.

BM: That’s not terrible.

Shannon: No… [pause]… Denver really was never in that game.

BM: No.

Shannon: I mean, because they drove right down the field and scored. And when San Diego kicked off, they get the ball back and they’re already right back in the end zone. So it’s 14-0 with 3 minutes gone, uh, 4 minutes off the clock. And your offense, Denver’s offense, has not even been on the field yet. And they’re down 14-0.

BM: That’s a bad loss. I mean, where do you go from here now? You talk about Cutler, he’s not making the plays he made last year. And obviously Javon Walker and that injury has something to do with it, here, that’s clear. But you have the bye week now, and you come out of the bye week with two huge games, and they’re both at home. Again, this Bronco team at home loses to San Diego, lost to Jacksonville in week 3. You come out of the bye - Steelers, Packers, at home. Welcome back.

Shannon: You know what? You knew they were living on borrowed time. They struggled in Buffalo. They struggled at home against the Raiders ball club. So you knew they were playing with the devil’s money. When you do that, and if you’re they type of team… If you’re the type of team you think you are, if you’re a playoff caliber team, you don’t struggle at Buffalo. You don’t struggle at home. And now, the Raiders may be a little better than we thought, we’ll see how that plays out. But there’s no way, I mean, they were in control of that ball game, and then all of a sudden the Raiders started running the football.

BM: They moved the ball all over the field against the Bills! They almost had 500 yards! And they had 15 points.

Shannon: And what did it come down to? Turnovers at the one position you could ill afford to have the guy that touches the football every single play prone turn it over. And Jay Cutler has been prone… I looked at the interception he threw early in the game, down the middle to Marlon McCree. I don’t see what he saw. No once can convince me he should have thrown that ball. He can’t convince me, Mike can’t, the offense, nobody can convince me, because I dont’ see what he saw. He’s not playing… now, I don’t know if the offense is that bad, I don’t know if it’s the offensive line, I don’t know what’s going on. But I haven’t seen the same conviction that I saw last year.

http://broncotalk.net/2007/10/sharpe...-sirius-radio/

Rohirrim · 10-13-2007, 04:08 PM

Let's focus on the Rockies and Buffs.

HEAV · 10-13-2007, 04:34 PM

I love Movin' The Chains on sirius. Shay has zero fear in saying a team sucks. B-Mc is the perfect co-host, he's the mello factor to Shay's hyper.

Many people now see that the Broncos where more paper that real cahmpionship contenders.

It just sucks that the truth ****ing hurts...damn it.

Traveler · 10-13-2007, 04:47 PM

Guess when they miss on all their 1st round choices from 2000-2005, it's finally coming back to haunt them. Probably part of the reason why the team is in it's condition.

NFLBRONCO · 10-13-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Traveler

Guess when they miss on all their 1st round choices from 2000-2005, it's finally coming back to haunt them. Probably part of the reason why the team is in it's condition.

No doubt no team can afford missing the mark that often not to feel the effect sooner or later.

Rohirrim · 10-13-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Traveler

Guess when they miss on all their 1st round choices from 2000-2005, it's finally coming back to haunt them. Probably part of the reason why the team is in it's condition.

And think of the 2004 draft. 10 picks and NONE of them are here. Ouch!

maher_tyler · 10-13-2007, 05:00 PM

I agree with his Cutler statements..i'm still waiting for a game that he doesn't throw a pick..he's thrown one in every start he's had in the NFL..am i wrong??

broncocalijohn · 10-13-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

And think of the 2004 draft. 10 picks and NONE of them are here. Ouch!

Wasnt George Foster the last of the 2003 picks? They need a College Football guru in at Dove. Maybe let Shanny take round 6th and 7th as he seems to pick up a few gems in those rounds.

DTBLAS · 10-13-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by maher_tyler

I agree with his Cutler statements..i'm still waiting for a game that he doesn't throw a pick..he's thrown one in every start he's had in the NFL..am i wrong??

Umm.... yes, yes you are. His second start, against SD, I don't believe he through a pick. Still, 1 game out of 10 isn't great. Although I am grateful he hasn't shown the Plummer-like affinity for multi-pick games.

Rohirrim · 10-13-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Wasnt George Foster the last of the 2003 picks? They need a College Football guru in at Dove. Maybe let Shanny take round 6th and 7th as he seems to pick up a few gems in those rounds.

Yeah, I guess it was 2003 wasn't it? Anyway, it's ugly. If you can't draft, you end up going one too many times to the FA well, and sometimes the well is dry.

That One Guy · 10-13-2007, 06:12 PM

This year it just seems like nobody knows what to do. They can't give up on DJ after only 5 games despite the fact that reports are that he's just completely lost out there. If our guys can see him making mistakes, you have to think those who actually know exactly where he should be on every play are seeing even more faults. Even if they finally decided to give up on him, the logical option is to move Webster inside... and there was a recent report that Champ was going off on him for not doing his job. You can't take someone that's failing outside and try to move him inside where there's more responsibilities... so there's really nothing they can do.

When you evaluate talent as terribly as the Broncos do, you have trouble filling starting roles with starters... you don't often end up with legitimate backups behind those starters unless you're lucky. Almost like we did with the DL, they had to bring in warm bodies just to find competition for the LB spot. It seems like the Broncos are like 60% waiver fodder sometimes, that's terrible.

joe9999 · 10-13-2007, 08:08 PM

Bronco first round picks.

2005 Traded to Washington
2004 D.J. Williams
2003 George Foster
2002 Ashley Lelie
2001 Willie Middlebrooks
2000 Deltha O'Neal

2000-2003 are pathetic picks. 2004 is starting to look bad as well. It's amazing the Broncos have done as well as they have the last few years.

Cito Pelon · 10-13-2007, 09:29 PM

I think about half the players on the team went onto the field the last couple of games thinking they couldn't win no matter how hard they tried. How does that get corrected?

It's hard to correct. Sometimes you just have too many guys that don't compete on every play. They make one bad play early in the game, and next thing you know they're pulling themselves out making a little injury into something big. Or they get their number called to make a big play, blow it, and instead of saying "give me another chance, coach, I'll beat that guy, I know I can beat that guy, I can make it happen next time" they hide on the bench. Sometimes you have coaches that won't give a guy a chance to redeem himself, don't encourage him, berate him for every little thing until the guy doesn't even want to try anymore. Sometimes a player is on a roll and the coach pulls him out of the game. When you're on a losing streak, it sucks. It's hard to pull yourself out of a tailspin. It takes tremendous character to pull out of a losing streak and go on a winning streak. It takes talent also. You can't make a good season if you have guys getting beat one on one all over the place, or if the coaching staff continually puts you into mismatches.

I don't know what the correction will have to be for this team. They're certainly on a losing streak. You can't lose the TO battle game after game and win consistently in the NFL. That's a big deal right now. The TO ratio is 9/14 right now. Broncos are -5 in TO ratio right now. That's how you lose games.

Getting beat by 102-37 combined score in the past three games, two at home there's some heart factor also despite the TO ratio.

This team has to decide they can win and play hard, play smart, play together. This losing streak has to be turned into a winning streak. Win one here, lose one or two there, they won't be proud of themselves.

ScotchTanShan · 10-13-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joe9999

Bronco first round picks.

2005 Traded to Washington
2004 D.J. Williams
2003 George Foster
2002 Ashley Lelie
2001 Willie Middlebrooks
2000 Deltha O'Neal

2000-2003 are pathetic picks. 2004 is starting to look bad as well. It's amazing the Broncos have done as well as they have the last few years.

That's why they have tried to live off of free agent signings for ages. It worked out in the late 90's, since then... not so much. Shanny has been living off "genius" status for way too long. He's been horrible in the draft and now it seems that Kub's is gone, the offense is hardly dynamic. The D situation has been a joke, just look at the number of coordinators he's brought in. It's pretty obvious Mike doesn't know jack about D, or special teams, and his O is getting shaky. Their run success, based on the zone blocking scheme wasn't even his doing. Time for a change, but Bowlen is firmly planted on Mike's shaft. Here's to another horrible '08 draft, and picking up another couple FA D-lineman. Oh wait, we're gonna need some LB's and safeties, too....

Denver Crush · 10-13-2007, 09:39 PM

2001 was the dline draft from hell. I think the only reason DJ might end up being a bad pick is that he is playing out of position.

400HZ · 10-13-2007, 09:42 PM

Do you guys think Shanahan would survive a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

ScotchTanShan · 10-13-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Denver Crush

2001 was the dline draft from hell. I think the only reason DJ might end up being a bad pick is that he is playing out of position.

DJ hasn't done anything, and he's been around for how long now? 4 years? He was a lucky recipient of playing with good LB's. Now he's just getting exposed, and has not business playing the middle. Even playing outside he was ehh...

HEAV · 10-13-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 400HZ

Do you guys think Shanahan would survive a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

It would take back to back losing season's for the "Homer" fans and for Bowlen to even think about that... the trophies still blindly shine in some eyes.

HEAV · 10-13-2007, 10:07 PM

Speaking of Sirius.

I was out around 7pm Est, driving to to stores, shopping and on Sirius NFL they interviewed Sam Adams.

Typical B.S. about it's not the scheme or the talent. it's the execution on defense, special teams and offense.

He stated again that it's a one gap system and that one player out of position screws it all up.

He also said "We have some young, fast linebackers"! When he said that I was like "WTF is he talking about!"

It wasn't anything special...

Rohirrim · 10-14-2007, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEAV

It would take back to back losing season's for the "Homer" fans and for Bowlen to even think about that... the trophies still blindly shine in some eyes.

You mean John and TD's trophies?

Orange_Beard · 10-14-2007, 12:39 AM

Shanny does better on undrafted FA's then he does in drafting.

Los Broncos · 10-14-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 400HZ

Do you guys think Shanahan would survive a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

I'm not sure he can, kinda scary.

BroncoSoja · 10-14-2007, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 400HZ

Do you guys think Shanahan would survive a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

Lord I hope not, I want him and his horrible coaching and decision making GONE!

BRING IN THE CHIN!!

BroncoSoja · 10-14-2007, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEAV

He also said "We have some young, fast linebackers"! When he said that I was like "WTF is he talking about!"

It wasn't anything special...

Hell man everyones "young" to a 500 pound broken down OLD piglet.

Caligula · 10-14-2007, 01:08 AM

Quality teams don't struggle against Buffalo.. yet..... Dallas (the top of the NFC) certainly did.

I think Shannon is off on Cutler. Sorry. I'm not comparing Cutler to guys like manning yet (for as far as we know, Cutler may end up be nothing more than a Aaron Brooks)..... but if Manning can throw for 28 INTs his rookie season, and he very well could go down as the best pass of ALL time... THEN WHY would you expect a Jay Cutler to do better? If we aren't wanting to anoint Jay Cutler the next "great" in a Broncos uniform, then WHY do people expect him to play perfectly?

THe VERY people that don't want to claim Jay as anything special.. and REFUSE to allow anyone to compare him to John Elway... are the VERY people that expect the rook to play PERFECT football! That confuses me.

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10-13-2007, 04:02 PM	#1
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,509 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Sharpe talks Broncos on Sirius Radio Sharpe Talks Broncos on Sirius Radio Sat Oct 13 11:24 PDT Listening to Sirius NFL Radio yesterday and was able to catch a caller’s question to Shannon Sharpe (who co-hosts with Brian McGovern) regarding the Broncos. Here’s what was said: Caller: Hey I got some questions, especially for Shannon. What’s going on with the Denver Broncos? You’ve got to be watching your old team - I mean, I’ve been kinda expecting here the defense to be a little slow off the ball, and slowly gelling as the year moves along in the new Jim Bates system. I expected the Special Teams to be getting better with them bringing that guru in there [edit: Scott O’Brien], but their offense is not that good. I was watching them, and I was actually really impressed with the first half at Indy. They were up on Indy, they were ahead at one point, they held ‘em, they were right in the game until the end of the first half. And then they lost the game, but I kinda expected that being the game was in Indianapolis, but I mean… last week, that wasn’t the same team that showed up. What’s going on with these guys? Shannon: Well, let’s start with the defensive side of the football. They can’t stop the run. They have patchwork guys trying to get [indecipherable] men’s work done. They’re just not very good defensively. I’m not so sure if you take Champ Bailey and Dre Bly out of that defense, that you don’t want really anyone else. D.J. Williams is playing out of position. Ian Gold is playing his [D.J.’s] position but is playing all over the field, and Nate Webster, uh, he’s a guy. He plays well, but I don’t know if that’s a guy you say you’re pinning your hopes on getting it done. Elvis Dumervil - he can do some things. He can rush the passer, he’s a lot better playing the run than I anticipated… BM: Yeah. Shannon: ...and I think a lot better than a lot of people anticipated. I don’t know if the offense is that bad, but Jay Cutler has not progressed in my estimation. When I look at it, I see the same guy, making the same mistakes that he made last year, and when you can run the ball - I mean they have Travis Henry who is the second leading rusher in the National Football League - there’s no reason. Well obviously with Javon WalkerBrandon Marshall being a #1 receiver when you’re really counting on him to be a #2 receiver. being out, that hurts them, because you’re now counting on But defensively, they can’t stop the run. And if you can’t stop the run, you can’t win in the NFL. Period. BM: How about Shanahan saying he was embarassed? You know, and we saw half of that stadium gone in that third quarter, Shannon. You don’t see that a whole lot in Denver. Shannon: I was embarassed! And I don’t even play! So imagine how they felt! BM: Tough spot. 41-3, I mean, geeze. Shannon: At home! At home! BM: Made Rivers look like Johnny Unitas! Shannon: You know, I’m trying to think. I think the worst I got beat in my career was probably 41-19. The Raiders beat us one year, 1994, I believe 41-19. BM: That’s not terrible. Shannon: No… [pause]… Denver really was never in that game. BM: No. Shannon: I mean, because they drove right down the field and scored. And when San Diego kicked off, they get the ball back and they’re already right back in the end zone. So it’s 14-0 with 3 minutes gone, uh, 4 minutes off the clock. And your offense, Denver’s offense, has not even been on the field yet. And they’re down 14-0. BM: That’s a bad loss. I mean, where do you go from here now? You talk about Cutler, he’s not making the plays he made last year. And obviously Javon Walker and that injury has something to do with it, here, that’s clear. But you have the bye week now, and you come out of the bye week with two huge games, and they’re both at home. Again, this Bronco team at home loses to San Diego, lost to Jacksonville in week 3. You come out of the bye - Steelers, Packers, at home. Welcome back. Shannon: You know what? You knew they were living on borrowed time. They struggled in Buffalo. They struggled at home against the Raiders ball club. So you knew they were playing with the devil’s money. When you do that, and if you’re they type of team… If you’re the type of team you think you are, if you’re a playoff caliber team, you don’t struggle at Buffalo. You don’t struggle at home. And now, the Raiders may be a little better than we thought, we’ll see how that plays out. But there’s no way, I mean, they were in control of that ball game, and then all of a sudden the Raiders started running the football. BM: They moved the ball all over the field against the Bills! They almost had 500 yards! And they had 15 points. Shannon: And what did it come down to? Turnovers at the one position you could ill afford to have the guy that touches the football every single play prone turn it over. And Jay Cutler has been prone… I looked at the interception he threw early in the game, down the middle to Marlon McCree. I don’t see what he saw. No once can convince me he should have thrown that ball. He can’t convince me, Mike can’t, the offense, nobody can convince me, because I dont’ see what he saw. He’s not playing… now, I don’t know if the offense is that bad, I don’t know if it’s the offensive line, I don’t know what’s going on. But I haven’t seen the same conviction that I saw last year. http://broncotalk.net/2007/10/sharpe...-sirius-radio/ __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

10-13-2007, 04:08 PM	#2
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	Let's focus on the Rockies and Buffs.

10-13-2007, 04:34 PM	#3
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	I love Movin' The Chains on sirius. Shay has zero fear in saying a team sucks. B-Mc is the perfect co-host, he's the mello factor to Shay's hyper. Many people now see that the Broncos where more paper that real cahmpionship contenders. It just sucks that the truth ****ing hurts...damn it.

10-13-2007, 04:47 PM	#4
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,419 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	Guess when they miss on all their 1st round choices from 2000-2005, it's finally coming back to haunt them. Probably part of the reason why the team is in it's condition.

10-13-2007, 05:00 PM	#7
maher_tyler Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 5,695 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	I agree with his Cutler statements..i'm still waiting for a game that he doesn't throw a pick..he's thrown one in every start he's had in the NFL..am i wrong??

10-13-2007, 06:12 PM	#11
That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	This year it just seems like nobody knows what to do. They can't give up on DJ after only 5 games despite the fact that reports are that he's just completely lost out there. If our guys can see him making mistakes, you have to think those who actually know exactly where he should be on every play are seeing even more faults. Even if they finally decided to give up on him, the logical option is to move Webster inside... and there was a recent report that Champ was going off on him for not doing his job. You can't take someone that's failing outside and try to move him inside where there's more responsibilities... so there's really nothing they can do. When you evaluate talent as terribly as the Broncos do, you have trouble filling starting roles with starters... you don't often end up with legitimate backups behind those starters unless you're lucky. Almost like we did with the DL, they had to bring in warm bodies just to find competition for the LB spot. It seems like the Broncos are like 60% waiver fodder sometimes, that's terrible.

10-13-2007, 08:08 PM	#12
joe9999 Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 109	Bronco first round picks. 2005 Traded to Washington 2004 D.J. Williams 2003 George Foster 2002 Ashley Lelie 2001 Willie Middlebrooks 2000 Deltha O'Neal 2000-2003 are pathetic picks. 2004 is starting to look bad as well. It's amazing the Broncos have done as well as they have the last few years.

10-13-2007, 09:29 PM	#13
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,273 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	I think about half the players on the team went onto the field the last couple of games thinking they couldn't win no matter how hard they tried. How does that get corrected? It's hard to correct. Sometimes you just have too many guys that don't compete on every play. They make one bad play early in the game, and next thing you know they're pulling themselves out making a little injury into something big. Or they get their number called to make a big play, blow it, and instead of saying "give me another chance, coach, I'll beat that guy, I know I can beat that guy, I can make it happen next time" they hide on the bench. Sometimes you have coaches that won't give a guy a chance to redeem himself, don't encourage him, berate him for every little thing until the guy doesn't even want to try anymore. Sometimes a player is on a roll and the coach pulls him out of the game. When you're on a losing streak, it sucks. It's hard to pull yourself out of a tailspin. It takes tremendous character to pull out of a losing streak and go on a winning streak. It takes talent also. You can't make a good season if you have guys getting beat one on one all over the place, or if the coaching staff continually puts you into mismatches. I don't know what the correction will have to be for this team. They're certainly on a losing streak. You can't lose the TO battle game after game and win consistently in the NFL. That's a big deal right now. The TO ratio is 9/14 right now. Broncos are -5 in TO ratio right now. That's how you lose games. Getting beat by 102-37 combined score in the past three games, two at home there's some heart factor also despite the TO ratio. This team has to decide they can win and play hard, play smart, play together. This losing streak has to be turned into a winning streak. Win one here, lose one or two there, they won't be proud of themselves.

10-13-2007, 09:39 PM	#15
Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	2001 was the dline draft from hell. I think the only reason DJ might end up being a bad pick is that he is playing out of position.

10-13-2007, 09:42 PM	#16
400HZ Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,359 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ed Hochuli	Do you guys think Shanahan would survive a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

10-13-2007, 10:07 PM	#19
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Speaking of Sirius. I was out around 7pm Est, driving to to stores, shopping and on Sirius NFL they interviewed Sam Adams. Typical B.S. about it's not the scheme or the talent. it's the execution on defense, special teams and offense. He stated again that it's a one gap system and that one player out of position screws it all up. He also said "We have some young, fast linebackers"! When he said that I was like "WTF is he talking about!" It wasn't anything special...

10-14-2007, 12:39 AM	#21
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	Shanny does better on undrafted FA's then he does in drafting.

10-14-2007, 01:08 AM	#25
Caligula Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 269 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Quality teams don't struggle against Buffalo.. yet..... Dallas (the top of the NFC) certainly did. I think Shannon is off on Cutler. Sorry. I'm not comparing Cutler to guys like manning yet (for as far as we know, Cutler may end up be nothing more than a Aaron Brooks)..... but if Manning can throw for 28 INTs his rookie season, and he very well could go down as the best pass of ALL time... THEN WHY would you expect a Jay Cutler to do better? If we aren't wanting to anoint Jay Cutler the next "great" in a Broncos uniform, then WHY do people expect him to play perfectly? THe VERY people that don't want to claim Jay as anything special.. and REFUSE to allow anyone to compare him to John Elway... are the VERY people that expect the rook to play PERFECT football! That confuses me.