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10-09-2007, 06:00 PM
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Jay Cutler - Red Zone
After watching the games on NFL replay, my confidence in this new recruit is beginning shake within the 20 yards of the endzone (either way) - I feel my nervous system and blood pressure kicking into high gear when we get there...I hate to say it, but, Griese did the same thing.
I am not, in any way, attempting to give him 100% blame for our lack of scoring, but I did notice that the turnovers and interceptions (forced throws) by Jay come at horrible crushing times in the game - they are some of the worst momentum killers for this team. Let's seee... Raiders, Jags, Colts and now Chargers have all exposed the newby and his 'stare down' of the receiver when the pressure is on especially on 3rd downs. I know that it takes 3-5 years to see his true ability and potential...but is he working on this during practice  Some of the best quarterback coaches in the league are Shanny and Gruden teach this even to 10-12 year veterans and I'm just not seeing it from Jay on a consistent basis. I'm wondering if all the changes needed on this team are truly allowing Jay to continue his progress, or is Shanny wrapped up in personnel messes right now? I think a good 2-3 days of looking off the target WR would really help this guy and ultimately the team? What is it that Shanny is or isn't teaching this young talent? Tell me if I'm wrong...what is it about Jay and the 1-2 bad choices per game? |
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10-09-2007, 06:03 PM
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The play call tightens up like bobos butt on poker night (end of story)
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10-09-2007, 06:29 PM
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Jay doesn't call the plays, can't see why you are stressing. My issue is with the play calling. He has more issues when he percieves something out in the open and doesn't read the D right. Or with his penchance to force every now and then. But his red zone play is not that worrisome to me.
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10-09-2007, 06:57 PM
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crappy defense = conservative play calling. Shanny does not trust his defense to keep another teams offense off the field.
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10-09-2007, 07:06 PM
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10-09-2007, 07:40 PM
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edit: That should produce the scorn of the fanboys./ |
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10-09-2007, 07:46 PM
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Staying on the field and getting momentum helps...if we can limit the turnovers to 0-1 a game instead of 3-4..we can get some momentum going..when the O was out there i thought they looked pretty good..hopefully Nalen going down doesn't hurt all to much...i think this is a much needed by week to get our **** together and get guys healthy..if our D can step it up about a thousand notches and plays with some heart we'll be a playoff team if not..expect more ass beatings..Cutler is pretty much a rookie..asking him to carry the team on his shoulders is a little much..he's gonna be a great QB in this league baring injury!!
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10-09-2007, 07:52 PM
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10-09-2007, 07:56 PM
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We look unbeatable. Inside the 20s, we look like mental midgets. No, we look like a bunch of Boob's. Cutler is going to struggle for at least another year. Dont expect to be doing great things for a while. |
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10-09-2007, 08:07 PM
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Cutler is NOT a rookie.
He's in his second year in the system and had several games at the end of last season to use in preparation for this one. This is not a rookie year. We've seen enough to know that Cutler has some pretty special throwing skills. He has a laser arm. What we havent seen from Cutler will unfortunately take a lot of time to give us a proper look. We havent seen him grasp the mental side of the game. He looks aloof and half-interested much of the time, and emotionally disconnected from the game. We havent seen him earn his captainship. He doesnt appear to have any chemistry with his teammates (outside of Scheff). I think that this last game will ultimately be good for Cutler. I think that his emotional meltdown out there will go a long way towards making him step up and take some responsibility for the offense. Hopefully he adjusts his game and begins to take control of that offense. Its time to shake Shanny out of his head and to put Jay Cutler's stamp on the team. Until he does that he's just another Greise. |
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10-09-2007, 08:21 PM
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You know you have no clue if he aloof or anything like that. Are you sitting in weight room, or the meeting or practices to see how interact with his teammates Do you think veterans on this team would given him the C if didn't earn it And making a statement that he not getting the mental aspect is load of ****! All reports are that he study game film all the time, is a gym rat and has earned the coaches respect for his preparation for game each week. Last week we would some TDs if Young had caught the damn ball instead of dropping it or if Marshall learned to secure the ball first before trying to break tackles. |
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10-09-2007, 08:21 PM
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Cutler makes mistakes? Impossible....he's part of the Broncos teflon club, nothing is ever his fault.
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10-09-2007, 08:28 PM
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10-09-2007, 08:30 PM
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10-09-2007, 08:34 PM
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Lets see...Jake Plummer was his example last year + Jake Plummer had alot of turnovers last year = It's Jake Plummer's fault! Jake Plummers fault + The Earth's fault = Jake Plummer's hippy butt commanded the wind to stop that ball 20 yards short of the intended receiver! Whew! Im glad I got that all worked out. Thanks alot, Jake. |
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10-09-2007, 09:20 PM
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1-2 bad choices per game for a QB with less than a full season of starts? 1-2 bad choices per game for any QB? What are your standards? |
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10-09-2007, 09:32 PM
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I just don't get the complaints against any QB in those situations, there's a time to play it safe, and there's a time where you just got to try and force it. |
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10-09-2007, 09:35 PM
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10-09-2007, 09:38 PM
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10-09-2007, 09:45 PM
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He may just feel like he's too young to belong out there, but a little bit of separation is evident. |
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10-09-2007, 09:56 PM
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Hmmm, lets go back and analyze just how critical some of these 1-2 bad choices a game he's making really are?...and at what time during a game did they come? First off, for a virtual rookie these 1-2 bad choices a game could easily be 5-6 bad choices a game or even more...So right off the bat i'd like to say kudos to Jay for keeping his mistakes to a minimum, especially when the game still maters...Another thing about Jay is he doesn't seem to get too down or discouraged after an INT, he typically bounces right back and puts it behind him as quick as it occured...Signs of good poise and a willingness to compete without fear... The 2 mistakes against the Bisons were the right read but poor execution in high pressure situations...The INT was a bad shotgun snap that hit the turf...Nails had a hell of a time getting control of the aformentioned shot-gun snap during that whole game...Jay prevailed and the team won... The Oakland game? Well what can i say about the Raiders game, you know, memory a little foggy and all cause it was the Raiders...Oh yeah, the INT was tipped at the line by a deffender that was bull rushing Lepsis right into Jays lap...end result a run in for a TD...I guess Jay could have pump faked or just thrown it away....I split the blame and chaulk it up as inexperience, never the less he put it behind him and prevailed to add another team victory... The Jags game he played very well when he had a chance too...The TOP was dominated by the Jags 2:1 and the INT came when the team was down by 2 scores with time running out and little chance to win...This is not the pressure situation you want to have your virtual rookie in over and over again....It's like playing russian rulet, your luck runs out sooner then later... The Colts was a home coming game playing jug-head and the reining SB champs, with his #1 WR out..Can you say pressure personified...He was nervous and played extremely tight the whole game...His INT i blame on both him and B-Marsh and just chauk it up to inexperience...This game the pressure finaly broke him and the DF started Its monumental slide... The Chargers game, what can i say? The whole team played like dog fecal matter...The INT came once again when he was pressing trying to make something happen, when the team was already beaten down like a red headed step mule... The whole red-zone issues are, i would guess, just a feeling out process between Shanny and Jay, which will take time and patience with a heavy dose of trust needed...I also think Shanahan endures flashes of Plummer in the red-zone, which makes his ass pucker up tighter than a frogs water tight ass...I don't know how many times i have witnessed the OF rolling along, very confident and executing plays, when all of a sudden Shanahan calls a time-out...This normaly happens as soon as the team gets in the red-zone...He becomes very conservative and the time-out and play call usually kills any and all the momentum the team had...It also gives the other team a chance to rest and adjust the DF...This one thing alone is by far my biggest pet peeve with Shanahan...I also notice when Shanny runs out of time-outs Jay seems to play better, more confident and in sink with his WR,s...Another thing I've noticed is Jay developes a little snarl when all these time-outs keep interrupting the game...I think this shows Jay isn't too crazy about all the TO's being called...The problem is Shanahan out thinks himself in these situations and frankly the red-zone efficiency will remain mediocre until he learns to trust his players a little more and just let them play without so many interruptions...Time-outs need to be preserved and used only when necessary... So to me most of Jays' INT's have come when the game was out of hand or there were a unique set of circumstances to go along with them...He'll have many more ups and downs along the way, but there are bigger issues on the horizon with this team.. I simply take this 1st year starting as a schooling lesson for JAY with a larger emphasis made toward the near future... Last edited by DukeWoody; 10-09-2007 at 10:00 PM.. |
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10-09-2007, 09:59 PM
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Of course, there's the whole leading game winning drives the first two weeks as well (and the perfect pass on 4th to Graham in game 3 that could've been). Guys who don't have confidence in themselves don't make 20 yard bullet passes on do or die situations. I mean, and I hope you agree, it's one thing to dog a guy for a floater in a 4 score game, but you can tell a lot more about a guy who executes a 3rd and 23 with 1 minute left in a 1 score type situation a little better. Last edited by frerottenextelway; 10-09-2007 at 10:05 PM.. |
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10-09-2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas_Bronco
 Tell me if I'm wrong...what is it about Jay and the 1-2 bad choices per game? I agree D-Woody with all you said! This was simply an attempt to minimize the 2-3 other passes that bounce off of defenders chest/hands on any given Sunday. I like Jay a lot but I don't agree with his 'vision' progression to this point...I too believe it is the coaching of this talent that is limiting his abilities whether it be too many 'controls' on his helmet for Shanny to twist and turn or the playcalling...it all boils down to coaching and I'm not sure he's getting his due week in and week out. |
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10-09-2007, 11:32 PM
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Meh. Cutler's stats tell the tale. 4 TDs and 6 INTs, with a QB rating of 79.9.The mane would be shut down if plummer were still the qb with these stats. I know I know he's in his second year.How long does he get before we can criticize him for his play?
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10-09-2007, 11:52 PM
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i forget where i read it, but it takes a qb 3-5 years before they get the NFL game.
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