Talked to someone in the know - The Orange Mane

Stormontheplains · 10-09-2007, 03:37 PM

some things from my conversation

1.) Champ is getting very tired of run support, starting to call out people. getting irritated with webster.
2.) DJ is not football smart, strong suit is less responcibility and players know it.
3.) Jay seems to function better with scheff in the line up. Seems happier and more talkative, I guess scheff brings in out in him.
4.) adams is wearing out his welcome, blames everyone but himself.

take it for what it's worth, nothing.

yavoon · 10-09-2007, 03:39 PM

sad panda on DJ. sounds like a bust to me.

bpc · 10-09-2007, 03:40 PM

None of this is surprising. Especially not about DJ. I've said that several times. Its probably why he played well at the WILL and not other positions. Too much for him to do. He just needs to be a dogg chasing a bone. We would be smart to let him and see if he fits at all on our roster.

bpc · 10-09-2007, 03:41 PM

I would try to offer NYJ straight up, DJ for Vilma. They want more size from their 3-4 LB's, we want an instinctive guy who can play and size isn't a big deal.

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 03:42 PM

If we lose Champ...well this could get really,really ugly.

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc

I would try to offer NYJ straight up, DJ for Vilma. They want more size from their 3-4 LB's, we want an instinctive guy who can play and size isn't a big deal.

Vilma does hate the 3-4...

But here's the issue. DJ has an option-out after the 07 season. He's going to be a free agent.

No one will trade for a freeagent to be.

TheDave · 10-09-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

Vilma does hate the 3-4...

But here's the issue. DJ has an option-out after the 07 season. He's going to be a free agent.

No one will trade for a freeagent to be.

Since Vilma was drafted the same year, his contract might be similiar... might

Rock Chalk · 10-09-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

some things from my conversation

1.) Champ is getting very tired of run support, starting to call out people. getting irritated with webster.

You can see it after every play.

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

2.) DJ is not football smart, strong suit is less responcibility and players know it.

This has been clear for two years.

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

3.) Jay seems to function better with scheff in the line up. Seems happier and more talkative, I guess scheff brings in out in him.

This is good and bad. Good that he has some connection, bad that it hampers him when Sheff isnt there.

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

4.) adams is wearing out his welcome, blames everyone but himself.

take it for what it's worth, nothing.

The big fatty sucks anyway.

DukeWoody · 10-09-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

sad panda on DJ. sounds like a bust to me.

Don't say that too loud or man boobs will put down his box of twinkies and come flying in here with a stack of " I told you so " coments to no end...

yavoon · 10-09-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeWoody

Don't say that too loud or man boobs will put down his box of twinkies and come flying in here with a stack of " I told you so " coments to no end...

yah hate to give the enemy a sniff.

Drek · 10-09-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

Vilma does hate the 3-4...

But here's the issue. DJ has an option-out after the 07 season. He's going to be a free agent.

No one will trade for a freeagent to be.

Isn't his opt out after '08?

His current contract runs through '09, I doubt there's an opt out with two years left, thats a lot of prorated money to have accelerate against the cap.

If the opt out is after next season that'd make a potential trade more likely since he and the new team can just start over with a new deal.

I doubt DJ carries much value on the market though. I guess maybe Vilma, who's struggling himself, but DJ isn't the hot young commodity of a few years ago. Shifting to sam and not getting much action on passing downs has stunted his growth as well as his numbers.

Rock Chalk · 10-09-2007, 03:55 PM

Id take a box of peanuts for DJ at this point. The box could probably stop the run better than dipstick anyway.

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Since Vilma was drafted the same year, his contract might be similiar... might

All I can find is he is under contract untill 2009 free agency. Not sure if he has any option to escape.

Crushaholic · 10-09-2007, 04:03 PM

DJ just needs to return to the WLB position and things will be better with him. Some people just aren't cut out to be the leaders and Shanahan/Bates/Slowik shouldn't force it on him...

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

Isn't his opt out after '08?

His current contract runs through '09, I doubt there's an opt out with two years left, thats a lot of prorated money to have accelerate against the cap.

If the opt out is after next season that'd make a potential trade more likely since he and the new team can just start over with a new deal.

I doubt DJ carries much value on the market though. I guess maybe Vilma, who's struggling himself, but DJ isn't the hot young commodity of a few years ago. Shifting to sam and not getting much action on passing downs has stunted his growth as well as his numbers.

Just going with what Socal told me. He's the Bronco/Hurricane expert.

Vegas_Bronco · 10-09-2007, 04:10 PM

Bad decisions by the coaches here boys...or we just misjudged 'gametime no-shows' disguised as 'training camp mvps'. Regardless, trust in the Broncos management to make it right.

shakenbake · 10-09-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

some things from my conversation

3.) Jay seems to function better with scheff in the line up. Seems happier and more talkative, I guess scheff brings in out in him

What are they lovers ?

fontaine · 10-09-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas_Bronco

Bad decisions by the coaches here boys...or we just misjudged 'gametime no-shows' disguised as 'training camp mvps'. Regardless, trust in the Broncos management to make it right.

It's obviously all Coyer's fault.

bpc · 10-09-2007, 04:17 PM

I just think Jay trusts him to catch and get open in the middle of the field. I can't blame him, their on-field chemistry has been amazing. WHY go against the grain on it and leave Nate Jackson on the field? A guy that has no upside what-so-ever. Put our 2nd rounder out there and let him flourish into a Jason Witten type TE. It seems like a no-brain decision to me but us Broncos, fans, love to make it harder on ourselves than it needs to be.

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shakenbake

What are they lovers ?

Weren't they roomates last year?

Stormontheplains · 10-09-2007, 04:21 PM

I would imagine that Jay understands a couple of completions to tony on seem routes and then the recievers will open up bigtime, it really opens up the field when you can do that, see antonio gates.

DomCasual · 10-09-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shakenbake

What are they lovers ?

If Jay had a 30-10 TD-INT ratio, and Scheffler caught 15 TD passes a year, they could be full-on out of the closet, for all I care.

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DomCasual

If Jay had a 30-10 TD-INT ratio, and Scheffler caught 15 TD passes a year, they could be full-on out of the closet, for all I care.

Yes but then Scheff would no longer be a "tight"-end and more like a "Wide"-receiver!

Beantown Bronco · 10-09-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bpc

WHY go against the grain on it and leave Nate Jackson on the field? A guy that has no upside what-so-ever.

You don't have to worry about that for the rest of the year.

HEAV · 10-09-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

Isn't his opt out after '08?

His current contract runs through '09, I doubt there's an opt out with two years left, thats a lot of prorated money to have accelerate against the cap.

If the opt out is after next season that'd make a potential trade more likely since he and the new team can just start over with a new deal.

I doubt DJ carries much value on the market though. I guess maybe Vilma, who's struggling himself, but DJ isn't the hot young commodity of a few years ago. Shifting to sam and not getting much action on passing downs has stunted his growth as well as his numbers.

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Actually, HEAV it is one more season, just 2008. The 2009 year is voidable.

Did the research. It is voided in 09. So one year remaining... so a trade could be done.

Either that or another year at middle linebacker.

10-09-2007, 03:37 PM	#1
Stormontheplains Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bronco Nation Posts: 1,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Andre Hall	Talked to someone in the know some things from my conversation 1.) Champ is getting very tired of run support, starting to call out people. getting irritated with webster. 2.) DJ is not football smart, strong suit is less responcibility and players know it. 3.) Jay seems to function better with scheff in the line up. Seems happier and more talkative, I guess scheff brings in out in him. 4.) adams is wearing out his welcome, blames everyone but himself. take it for what it's worth, nothing.

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10-09-2007, 03:39 PM	#2
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	sad panda on DJ. sounds like a bust to me.

10-09-2007, 03:40 PM	#3
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,570 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	None of this is surprising. Especially not about DJ. I've said that several times. Its probably why he played well at the WILL and not other positions. Too much for him to do. He just needs to be a dogg chasing a bone. We would be smart to let him and see if he fits at all on our roster.

10-09-2007, 03:41 PM	#4
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,570 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I would try to offer NYJ straight up, DJ for Vilma. They want more size from their 3-4 LB's, we want an instinctive guy who can play and size isn't a big deal.

10-09-2007, 03:42 PM	#5
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	If we lose Champ...well this could get really,really ugly.

10-09-2007, 03:55 PM	#12
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Id take a box of peanuts for DJ at this point. The box could probably stop the run better than dipstick anyway.

10-09-2007, 04:03 PM	#14
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	DJ just needs to return to the WLB position and things will be better with him. Some people just aren't cut out to be the leaders and Shanahan/Bates/Slowik shouldn't force it on him...

10-09-2007, 04:10 PM	#16
Vegas_Bronco Ring of Famer Fear is a lack of preparation. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 63 Yards Out Posts: 4,031 Adopt-a-Bronco: 1 Elam 1	Bad decisions by the coaches here boys...or we just misjudged 'gametime no-shows' disguised as 'training camp mvps'. Regardless, trust in the Broncos management to make it right.

10-09-2007, 04:17 PM	#19
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,570 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I just think Jay trusts him to catch and get open in the middle of the field. I can't blame him, their on-field chemistry has been amazing. WHY go against the grain on it and leave Nate Jackson on the field? A guy that has no upside what-so-ever. Put our 2nd rounder out there and let him flourish into a Jason Witten type TE. It seems like a no-brain decision to me but us Broncos, fans, love to make it harder on ourselves than it needs to be.

10-09-2007, 04:21 PM	#21
Stormontheplains Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bronco Nation Posts: 1,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Andre Hall	I would imagine that Jay understands a couple of completions to tony on seem routes and then the recievers will open up bigtime, it really opens up the field when you can do that, see antonio gates.