This team has a coaching problem, folks. - The Orange Mane

Popps · 10-07-2007, 06:10 PM

We're the worst defense in the league and we're inept on offense.

But, beyond that... we've got major fundamental problems. We can't hold on to the ball, we can't wrap up and make a tackle. We run swinging the ball wildly. We can't handle ANY of our responsibilities on defense. You never see this team forcing turnovers and you rarely see us even trying to strip the ball.

Add to that, we've got ZERO attitude and ZERO discipline.

Now, some of this might be a lack of leadership, but what do you call guys like Champ and Lynch? Aren't they leaders?

We can't do the stuff they teach in Pop Warner, folks. We are horrifically deficient at FUNDAMENTAL football.

I'm not suggesting anything crazy, but Mike Shanahan needs to point the finger squarely at himself this week.

Garcia Bronco · 10-07-2007, 06:12 PM

Complete Utter Lack of Discipline. They make me ashamed because I know I would do better than each of them if I had a pound of their talent and genetics.

Northman · 10-07-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Add to that, we've got ZERO attitude and ZERO discipline.

This is the brunt of it. I may dislike Billick but at least when his team plays like **** he gets angry about it and shows that he cares. Shanahan acts like he is smoking the same **** that Travis is. I wonder how many years we will have to endure before we have coaches and players who actually want to win again?

eddie mac · 10-07-2007, 06:15 PM

Shanahan's untouchable and that's a major ****ing problem because this team's going backwards fast.

Popps · 10-07-2007, 06:17 PM

Look at the Chargers yuking it up on the sidelines. Just a relaxing day at Mile High.

SoCalBronco · 10-07-2007, 06:18 PM

This is definitely really depressing, but it is what it is. We just have to pick up the pieces and keep trying to work at it. I do agree, though, that among our many problems, is a coaching problem.

Northman · 10-07-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Look at the Chargers yuking it up on the sidelines. Just a relaxing day at Mile High.

Ive switched to the Ravens game. More competitive and more enjoyable at the moment.

fontaine · 10-07-2007, 06:22 PM

How is this on Shanahan?

The ONLY unit that has shown any attitude, any fight is the offense.

The defense IS NOT on Shanahan.
The front 7 is NOT on Shanahan.
The TACKLING is NOT on Shanahan.

You think Mike micromanages the LBers to the DL?

That's why he brought in Bates and allowed Bates to bring in his boy Joe Baker who's the LBer coach.

Shanahan didn't hand pick Sam Adams, Kennedy, keep DJ at Mike etc etc.

I'm willing to see how this plays out after the bye. We'll have a fresh D with Bates given more time to fix the problems on D that start with basic freakin' tackling. If he can get this run D to improve then great.

If not and the D is playing like this at week 16 then bring back Larry Coyer in the offseason.

Que · 10-07-2007, 06:22 PM

I'm not going to shy away from it - this is Shanny's team and it is a f-ing disaster. He doesn't clean up his crap by the end of the season I will call for his head. This team does have a coaching problem - a big one.

defenseman · 10-07-2007, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popps

We're the worst defense in the league and we're inept on offense.

But, beyond that... we've got major fundamental problems. We can't hold on to the ball, we can't wrap up and make a tackle. We run swinging the ball wildly. We can't handle ANY of our responsibilities on defense. You never see this team forcing turnovers and you rarely see us even trying to strip the ball.

Add to that, we've got ZERO attitude and ZERO discipline.

Now, some of this might be a lack of leadership, but what do you call guys like Champ and Lynch? Aren't they leaders?

We can't do the stuff they teach in Pop Warner, folks. We are horrifically deficient at FUNDAMENTAL football.

I'm not suggesting anything crazy, but Mike Shanahan needs to point the finger squarely at himself this week.

You start with what's in bold. If, you don't have that, it doesn't matter. They all understand the fundamentals of tackling, hanging onto the ball, filling the gaps. They ALL understand that, however, without a nasty attitude and the discipline to stay with the program, you get NADA, a big ZIP and you get your butt beat. In short, they look like a bunch of wimp's out there. Hell, they folded up they tent and packed it away before the second half ended. AGREED there Popps, they obviously have a "losers" mentality, and are worried about one thing, collecting a paycheck. What a joke......the only reason I continue to drop in on CBS and check the score of this joke of a football team is my sox are whooping butt on the Angels on TBS. Gotta do something between innings...dman

*don't hang it on Cutler. He's a virtual rookie, and he's still out there throwing strikes if he can. The coaches and vets should turn in their freaking paychecks. What a disgrace....

atomicbloke · 10-07-2007, 06:27 PM

Guys don't forget, Shanny's the best in the business.

In the last decade, he has had only one losing season. You can't have higher bar for excellence. 10 years is a long time and in that time, only one losing season. Thats why Shanny is the greatest coach out there.

Bowlen and Shanny are commited to putting a quality product on the field every year. Thats the reason we are a model organization, the envy of the league.

I wish Shanny coaches us for the next 30 years. At his phenomenal success rate, we'll have only 3 losing seasons in the next 30 years. Isn't that something out of this world?

55CrushEm · 10-07-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by atomicbloke

Guys don't forget, Shanny's the best in the business.
In the last decade, he has had only one losing season. You can't have higher bar for excellence. 10 years is a long time and in that time, only one losing season. Thats why Shanny is the greatest coach out there.

Bowlen and Shanny are commited to putting a quality product on the field every year. Thats the reason we are a model organization, the envy of the league.

I wish Shanny coaches us for the next 30 years. At his phenomenal success rate, we'll have only 3 losing seasons in the next 30 years. Isn't that something out of this world?

Really? I used to think that, but now, for the 1st time, I'm really starting to question it. WHO THE **** CALLS THE PLAYS?!?!?

Down 34-3....4th down and 4 to go.....we go for it....and call a QB run up the middle?!?! WHAT THE **** IS THAT?!?!

Offense sucks.....defense sucks....ST sucks....coaching sucks....

In all honesty, if we don't get better....we will challenge for the WORST team in the NFL.....****ing pathetic.....yes, I've jumped off the cliff.

Not only aren't we getting better week to week.....we are getting WORSE every week.

I can't remember the last time I felt this bad as a Bronco fan......

Cito Pelon · 10-07-2007, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie mac

Shanahan's untouchable and that's a major ****ing problem because this team's going backwards fast.

Pretty much. I've been easy on the guy since so many other's have been hard on him lately. Used to be I was the only guy reaming him. Whatever, I have bets with my buddies that earns me $400 every season Shanny as HC does not win a playoff game. Had that bet since 2000, and it sure is paying off.

Gort · 10-07-2007, 06:48 PM

this team is worse than last year's team. and last year's team was worse than the one before. not a good trend.

Cito Pelon · 10-07-2007, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontaine

How is this on Shanahan?

The ONLY unit that has shown any attitude, any fight is the offense.

The defense IS NOT on Shanahan.
The front 7 is NOT on Shanahan.
The TACKLING is NOT on Shanahan.

You think Mike micromanages the LBers to the DL?

That's why he brought in Bates and allowed Bates to bring in his boy Joe Baker who's the LBer coach.

Shanahan didn't hand pick Sam Adams, Kennedy, keep DJ at Mike etc etc.

I'm willing to see how this plays out after the bye. We'll have a fresh D with Bates given more time to fix the problems on D that start with basic freakin' tackling. If he can get this run D to improve then great.

If not and the D is playing like this at week 16 then bring back Larry Coyer in the offseason.

Shanny picks the coaches.

loborugger · 10-07-2007, 06:55 PM

I wonder if this lack of execution, lack of discipline, lack of fundamentals is a case of too many chief, not enough indians. Management studies have shown time and again that too many supervisors/bosses is as bad as too few. I think the Skins are a perfect example of this. They started the trend, and its gotten them one post season appearance that was spawned by a 1 1/2 month surge.

Cito Pelon · 10-07-2007, 06:57 PM

A good example of how Shanny is not a good HC is right here at this moment. The team is down by a lot of points, but there is no hurry-up O. The O is at first-Q pace.

dsmoot · 10-07-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

This is definitely really depressing, but it is what it is. We just have to pick up the pieces and keep trying to work at it. I do agree, though, that among our many problems, is a coaching problem.

There are some pieces that should not be picked up. This is the worst defense in 20+ years in Denver. There should be some benchings and we should put the quickest linemen put in the game - the young guys. I did not see Thomas out there, was he inactive. If you can't wrap up, put someone in who can. You would have never thought San Diego was having any OL problems. We can't challenge anyone man to man. We are being beat up physically. I think a number of players packed it in early.

long beach bronco · 10-07-2007, 07:22 PM

With the defense we have, we must blitz like we did in '05, and it seems that Shanny and Bates refuse to do it, despite getting ripped from week to week. This team is a sham, they fooled us all with all of the hopes and expectations of the year. This is horrible, as me and the wife were watching the game, she says to me "i think the broncos quit" and she knows nothing about football.

errand · 10-07-2007, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

Really? I used to think that, but now, for the 1st time, I'm really starting to question it. WHO THE **** CALLS THE PLAYS?!?!?

Down 34-3....4th down and 4 to go.....we go for it....and call a QB run up the middle?!?! WHAT THE **** IS THAT?!?!

Offense sucks.....defense sucks....ST sucks....coaching sucks....

In all honesty, if we don't get better....we will challenge for the WORST team in the NFL.....****ing pathetic.....yes, I've jumped off the cliff.

Not only aren't we getting better week to week.....we are getting WORSE every week.

I can't remember the last time I felt this bad as a Bronco fan......

I recall not more than 2 years ago half of you guys b****ing about how bad Kubiak was...how Mike always had to take over the playcalling, etc. Well..like they say, careful what you wish for.......
Btw...what happened to all those offensive fireworks we were suppose to see now that Jake the fake was sent packing? Why hasn't TJ put up a boulder blocking the road with a 6 on it?

55CrushEm · 10-07-2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by errand

I recall not more than 2 years ago half of you guys b****ing about how bad Kubiak was...how Mike always had to take over the playcalling, etc. Well..like they say, careful what you wish for.......
Btw...what happened to all those offensive fireworks we were suppose to see now that Jake the fake was sent packing? Why hasn't TJ put up a boulder blocking the road with a 6 on it?

So we'd be better with Plummer? Give it a rest already....you and all the other Plummer ball huggers make me laugh.

jutang · 10-07-2007, 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=55CrushEm;1743584]Really? I used to think that, but now, for the 1st time, I'm really starting to question it. WHO THE **** CALLS THE PLAYS?!?!?

Down 34-3....4th down and 4 to go.....we go for it....and call a QB run up the middle?!?! WHAT THE **** IS THAT?!?!

Problem is when Cutler ran that in practice he went for 20 yards

FrontRowSeat1 · 10-07-2007, 07:46 PM

I never expected that The Broncos would fall so far so fast and pass the Chiefs on the way. Bowen wont pull the plug, Shanny is untouchable. Maybe Kubiack was more the reason for Good teams than anyone knew.

Sad days ahead.

Darkdoc · 10-07-2007, 07:49 PM

This isn't a team problem that changing a few players will help.

It is a problem that requires massive coaching intervention.

I'm certain that Shanahan knows this, too.

But will he have the courage and cahunas to do it? Don't know.

He always seems to wait too long to make changes that look obvious to anyone else.

This is the first year in all the years watching the team that I have no desire to see replays of the games. I haven't had the urge to see one replay yet this year.

Darkdoc · 10-07-2007, 07:52 PM

Ironic that San Diego probably thinks they have finally turned the corner this year.

They won't for a moment stop to consider how badly we are playing.

10-07-2007, 06:10 PM	#1
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	This team has a coaching problem, folks. We're the worst defense in the league and we're inept on offense. But, beyond that... we've got major fundamental problems. We can't hold on to the ball, we can't wrap up and make a tackle. We run swinging the ball wildly. We can't handle ANY of our responsibilities on defense. You never see this team forcing turnovers and you rarely see us even trying to strip the ball. Add to that, we've got ZERO attitude and ZERO discipline. Now, some of this might be a lack of leadership, but what do you call guys like Champ and Lynch? Aren't they leaders? We can't do the stuff they teach in Pop Warner, folks. We are horrifically deficient at FUNDAMENTAL football. I'm not suggesting anything crazy, but Mike Shanahan needs to point the finger squarely at himself this week.

10-07-2007, 06:18 PM	#6
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,505 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	This is definitely really depressing, but it is what it is. We just have to pick up the pieces and keep trying to work at it. I do agree, though, that among our many problems, is a coaching problem. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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10-07-2007, 06:12 PM	#2
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Complete Utter Lack of Discipline. They make me ashamed because I know I would do better than each of them if I had a pound of their talent and genetics.

10-07-2007, 06:15 PM	#4
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,578 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Shanahan's untouchable and that's a major ****ing problem because this team's going backwards fast.

10-07-2007, 06:17 PM	#5
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	Look at the Chargers yuking it up on the sidelines. Just a relaxing day at Mile High.

10-07-2007, 06:22 PM	#8
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,435	How is this on Shanahan? The ONLY unit that has shown any attitude, any fight is the offense. The defense IS NOT on Shanahan. The front 7 is NOT on Shanahan. The TACKLING is NOT on Shanahan. You think Mike micromanages the LBers to the DL? That's why he brought in Bates and allowed Bates to bring in his boy Joe Baker who's the LBer coach. Shanahan didn't hand pick Sam Adams, Kennedy, keep DJ at Mike etc etc. I'm willing to see how this plays out after the bye. We'll have a fresh D with Bates given more time to fix the problems on D that start with basic freakin' tackling. If he can get this run D to improve then great. If not and the D is playing like this at week 16 then bring back Larry Coyer in the offseason.

10-07-2007, 06:22 PM	#9
Que Gettin' some Just the tip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Crested Butte, CO Posts: 1,187	I'm not going to shy away from it - this is Shanny's team and it is a f-ing disaster. He doesn't clean up his crap by the end of the season I will call for his head. This team does have a coaching problem - a big one.

10-07-2007, 06:27 PM	#11
atomicbloke Ring of Famer La 12 Boca Juniors Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,347 Adopt-a-Bronco: Offensive Line	Guys don't forget, Shanny's the best in the business. In the last decade, he has had only one losing season. You can't have higher bar for excellence. 10 years is a long time and in that time, only one losing season. Thats why Shanny is the greatest coach out there. Bowlen and Shanny are commited to putting a quality product on the field every year. Thats the reason we are a model organization, the envy of the league. I wish Shanny coaches us for the next 30 years. At his phenomenal success rate, we'll have only 3 losing seasons in the next 30 years. Isn't that something out of this world?

10-07-2007, 06:48 PM	#14
Gort Registered User Gort has left the building Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,648	this team is worse than last year's team. and last year's team was worse than the one before. not a good trend.

10-07-2007, 06:55 PM	#16
loborugger lost in the ether Did we finally get a FB??? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The 'cuse Posts: 5,793 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I wonder if this lack of execution, lack of discipline, lack of fundamentals is a case of too many chief, not enough indians. Management studies have shown time and again that too many supervisors/bosses is as bad as too few. I think the Skins are a perfect example of this. They started the trend, and its gotten them one post season appearance that was spawned by a 1 1/2 month surge.

10-07-2007, 06:57 PM	#17
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,273 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	A good example of how Shanny is not a good HC is right here at this moment. The team is down by a lot of points, but there is no hurry-up O. The O is at first-Q pace.

10-07-2007, 07:22 PM	#19
long beach bronco Registered User "I'm your Huckleberry" Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Long Beach Posts: 1,017 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	With the defense we have, we must blitz like we did in '05, and it seems that Shanny and Bates refuse to do it, despite getting ripped from week to week. This team is a sham, they fooled us all with all of the hopes and expectations of the year. This is horrible, as me and the wife were watching the game, she says to me "i think the broncos quit" and she knows nothing about football.

10-07-2007, 07:39 PM	#22
jutang Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 653	[QUOTE=55CrushEm;1743584]Really? I used to think that, but now, for the 1st time, I'm really starting to question it. WHO THE ** CALLS THE PLAYS?!?!? Down 34-3....4th down and 4 to go.....we go for it....and call a QB run up the middle?!?! WHAT THE ** IS THAT?!?! Problem is when Cutler ran that in practice he went for 20 yards

10-07-2007, 07:46 PM	#23
FrontRowSeat1 Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 148 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I never expected that The Broncos would fall so far so fast and pass the Chiefs on the way. Bowen wont pull the plug, Shanny is untouchable. Maybe Kubiack was more the reason for Good teams than anyone knew. Sad days ahead.

10-07-2007, 07:49 PM	#24
Darkdoc Bronco fan since '66 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morrison, IL Posts: 420	This isn't a team problem that changing a few players will help. It is a problem that requires massive coaching intervention. I'm certain that Shanahan knows this, too. But will he have the courage and cahunas to do it? Don't know. He always seems to wait too long to make changes that look obvious to anyone else. This is the first year in all the years watching the team that I have no desire to see replays of the games. I haven't had the urge to see one replay yet this year.

10-07-2007, 07:52 PM	#25
Darkdoc Bronco fan since '66 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morrison, IL Posts: 420	Ironic that San Diego probably thinks they have finally turned the corner this year. They won't for a moment stop to consider how badly we are playing.