Time For Shannnnahan To Go......... - The Orange Mane

wolf754life · 10-04-2007, 08:58 PM

We are 10 yrs out from the superbowls, this team has crumbled talent wise to its current state, a 6 and 10 team, with brittle veterans and no depth at key positions. Shannahan has lost his touch, at least here in Denver, and the players no longer respond to his leadership.

Its simply time for him to go, although I am sure pat bowlen has a million excuses for him. Think about it, take off your homer glasses and look at whats actually going on at dove valley. His biggest problem is personnel. Do these names mean anything, Ashlie Lelie, George Foster, DJ Williams, Paul Tovesi, Darius Watts, Marcus Nash, Tatum Bell, the list goes on and on, over the last 10 yrs no team has drafted worse than we have, and it shows on our roster. (Especially on Defense), the last couple years have been better and is saving our Offense with marshall, cutler. Paying Gerrard Warren over Trevor Pryce was a huge mistake....

Ed Reed and Steven Jackson could have BOTH been on this roster now!

Free agent wise where do we start, for every good signing we get burned by several others. Dale Carter, Darryl Gardner, now Travis Henry

Shannahan has sold his soul and taken unnecessary risks on veterans and overpaid mightily, Dre Bly is the next in line to fail. Trading Gerrard Warren was a mistake as well, after Warren had restructured his contract several times, now we have NO run D.

Coaching, ever since kubiak left his offensive playcalling has been atrocious, especially in the redzone, and his coaching staffs have done terrible. How many D coordinators are we going to go through? How many special teams coaches? Time and Time again he gets a free pass on these critical decisions.

Shannahan is still a great coach, but not here, not now, not in Denver anymore, its time for him to go and time for a new voice and a new coaching staff with fresh ideas and fresh motivation!

eddie mac · 10-04-2007, 09:02 PM

Did Shanahan put the joint in Travis' mouth

frerottenextelway · 10-04-2007, 09:04 PM

I'll bet you $1,000 we have a better record than 6-10.

HEAV · 10-04-2007, 09:05 PM

I'm not going to say **** about getting rid of Shanny (useless on here and Pat Bowlen loves the guy)

But this is all Shanny's mess... He has 100% control over the Broncos personel moves.

DB_champ24 · 10-04-2007, 09:05 PM

oh and 2 years ago we were in the AFC championship..I know ths team is alot different than that team..relax the Broncos have alot of young up and coming talent..this isnt the year for superbowl..its a year for growth and development

Moon§hiner · 10-04-2007, 09:06 PM

OK Wolf...who is your choice to replace him?

RunSilentRunDeep · 10-04-2007, 09:06 PM

Every team has a list a mile long of draft picks that suck. If you hit on half, you've done well.

Kaylore · 10-04-2007, 09:06 PM

More Ed Reed Whining.

SoCalBronco · 10-04-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Great pic, Khan

wolf754life · 10-04-2007, 09:10 PM

Mike Martz is an ideal candidate with a powerful defensive coordinator, Martz and Cutler will do wonders for the offense and the Defense can be rebuilt to be decent. He is the best choice for our personnel, and one last caveat, a powerful STAND ALONE GENERAL MANAGER would help leaps and bounds.

frerottenextelway · 10-04-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf754life

Mike Martz is an ideal candidate with a powerful defensive coordinator, Martz and Cutler will do wonders for the offense and the Defense can be rebuilt to be decent. He is the best choice for our personnel, and one last caveat, a powerful STAND ALONE GENERAL MANAGER would help leaps and bounds.

Yeah, lets bring in the guy who traded for George Foster.

HEAV · 10-04-2007, 09:15 PM

Mike Martz

He's a nutcase...

24champ · 10-04-2007, 09:15 PM

Blueflame · 10-04-2007, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf754life

Mike Martz is an ideal candidate with a powerful defensive coordinator, Martz and Cutler will do wonders for the offense and the Defense can be rebuilt to be decent. He is the best choice for our personnel, and one last caveat, a powerful STAND ALONE GENERAL MANAGER would help leaps and bounds.

Mike Martz sucked as a HC....his arrogance in keeping both Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner in an out-of-reach playoff game (against GB if memory serves me correctly) directly resulted in the hand injury that Warner has yet to truly recover from. I think Faulk also was dinged up in that game and the Rams lost the next weekend.

PatsWin2002 · 10-04-2007, 09:15 PM

Martz sucked as a HC, but always gets kudos when talking about his work...not just as an OC, but working with young QBs.

As a HC he was as bad at game management as Herm.

As for Shanahan, he's still one of the best out there.

theAPAOps5 · 10-04-2007, 09:16 PM

I swear to God over 75% of the members here have ADD.

oubronco · 10-04-2007, 09:16 PM

[QUOTE=wolf754life;1739636]
Coaching, ever since kubiak left his offensive playcalling has been atrocious, especially in the redzone,

the redzone woes were pretty atrocious when kubiak was here as well

Blueflame · 10-04-2007, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

Martz sucked as a HC, but always gets kudos when talking about his work...not just as an OC, but working with young QBs.

As a HC he was as bad at game management as Herm.

As for Shanahan, he's still one of the best out there.

Yet he pretty much ruined Warner....

Moon§hiner · 10-04-2007, 09:21 PM

Martz makes for a nice off. coach, but I wouldn't trust him with associating with the defensive coach and being on the same page if he were in charge of the team on the field. If you think Shanahan has a big ego just look at tapes of Martz when he was in charge of the Rams. The only guy I can even think of to replace Shanny is taken. Kubiak.. I had hopes that he would stick around and be the heir apparent but it wasn't meant to be.

Bronx33 · 10-04-2007, 09:22 PM

Attn shoppers we have a fan going off the deep edge in isle 3 i repeat, we have a fan going off the deep edge in isle 3 (that is all)

wolf754life · 10-04-2007, 09:22 PM

mark my words, one year from now the majority of you will have run out of patience with him and be at the same point i am now, no need to debate it, you all still believe this team is good, give it some time.......

eddie mac · 10-04-2007, 09:23 PM

Shanny is still one of the best HC's out there. Problem is he's not so good in the old player personnel recruitment dept be it through the draft or FA, then again isn't that partially Ted Sundqvist's job

Thing is if Bowlen attempted to take away any of Shanahan's current responsibilities I reckon he'd leave.

theAPAOps5 · 10-04-2007, 09:24 PM

There is a need to debate it you are freaking out. Just remember when the team makes another run you checked yourself off the Shanny bandwagon.

Pezman · 10-04-2007, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

I swear to God over 75% of the mem...ADD.

What? I missed most of that because I was distracted or something

Pezman · 10-04-2007, 09:27 PM

OH yeah, and Wolfy, it taint happening. We just reupped the Rat for an extention. Its gonna be til second decade of this century before we see a change at coach in Denver.

And just to nitpick... its S - H - A - N - A - H - A - N

10-04-2007, 08:58 PM	#1
wolf754life Bleed Orange and Blue more scoring + more tackling = $$$ Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,776	Time For Shannnnahan To Go......... We are 10 yrs out from the superbowls, this team has crumbled talent wise to its current state, a 6 and 10 team, with brittle veterans and no depth at key positions. Shannahan has lost his touch, at least here in Denver, and the players no longer respond to his leadership. Its simply time for him to go, although I am sure pat bowlen has a million excuses for him. Think about it, take off your homer glasses and look at whats actually going on at dove valley. His biggest problem is personnel. Do these names mean anything, Ashlie Lelie, George Foster, DJ Williams, Paul Tovesi, Darius Watts, Marcus Nash, Tatum Bell, the list goes on and on, over the last 10 yrs no team has drafted worse than we have, and it shows on our roster. (Especially on Defense), the last couple years have been better and is saving our Offense with marshall, cutler. Paying Gerrard Warren over Trevor Pryce was a huge mistake.... Ed Reed and Steven Jackson could have BOTH been on this roster now! Free agent wise where do we start, for every good signing we get burned by several others. Dale Carter, Darryl Gardner, now Travis Henry Shannahan has sold his soul and taken unnecessary risks on veterans and overpaid mightily, Dre Bly is the next in line to fail. Trading Gerrard Warren was a mistake as well, after Warren had restructured his contract several times, now we have NO run D. Coaching, ever since kubiak left his offensive playcalling has been atrocious, especially in the redzone, and his coaching staffs have done terrible. How many D coordinators are we going to go through? How many special teams coaches? Time and Time again he gets a free pass on these critical decisions. Shannahan is still a great coach, but not here, not now, not in Denver anymore, its time for him to go and time for a new voice and a new coaching staff with fresh ideas and fresh motivation!

10-04-2007, 09:06 PM	#8
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,010 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	More Ed Reed Whining. Attached Images

10-04-2007, 09:27 PM	#25
Pezman Livin the dream Andy did you hear about this one? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Smoggy SoCal Posts: 9,833 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	OH yeah, and Wolfy, it taint happening. We just reupped the Rat for an extention. Its gonna be til second decade of this century before we see a change at coach in Denver. And just to nitpick... its S - H - A - N - A - H - A - N __________________ Sitting on a beach, earning 20%

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10-04-2007, 09:02 PM	#2
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,572 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Did Shanahan put the joint in Travis' mouth

10-04-2007, 09:04 PM	#3
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	I'll bet you $1,000 we have a better record than 6-10.

10-04-2007, 09:05 PM	#4
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	I'm not going to say **** about getting rid of Shanny (useless on here and Pat Bowlen loves the guy) But this is all Shanny's mess... He has 100% control over the Broncos personel moves.

10-04-2007, 09:05 PM	#5
DB_champ24 Pro Bowler Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Agoura, California Posts: 526 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	oh and 2 years ago we were in the AFC championship..I know ths team is alot different than that team..relax the Broncos have alot of young up and coming talent..this isnt the year for superbowl..its a year for growth and development

10-04-2007, 09:06 PM	#6
Moon§hiner Skipper of the Minnow Lightning in a Bottle Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,888	OK Wolf...who is your choice to replace him?

10-04-2007, 09:06 PM	#7
RunSilentRunDeep Ring of Famer I root for laundry Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Every team has a list a mile long of draft picks that suck. If you hit on half, you've done well.

10-04-2007, 09:10 PM	#10
wolf754life Bleed Orange and Blue more scoring + more tackling = $$$ Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,776	Mike Martz is an ideal candidate with a powerful defensive coordinator, Martz and Cutler will do wonders for the offense and the Defense can be rebuilt to be decent. He is the best choice for our personnel, and one last caveat, a powerful STAND ALONE GENERAL MANAGER would help leaps and bounds.

10-04-2007, 09:15 PM	#12
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Mike Martz He's a nutcase...

10-04-2007, 09:15 PM	#13
24champ Livin' the dream! Methwolfe Alliance Captain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 18,538 Adopt-a-Bronco: DomCasual

10-04-2007, 09:15 PM	#15
PatsWin2002 Giggity Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: South of Boston Posts: 6,270	Martz sucked as a HC, but always gets kudos when talking about his work...not just as an OC, but working with young QBs. As a HC he was as bad at game management as Herm. As for Shanahan, he's still one of the best out there.

10-04-2007, 09:16 PM	#16
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	I swear to God over 75% of the members here have ADD.

10-04-2007, 09:16 PM	#17
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,572	[QUOTE=wolf754life;1739636] Coaching, ever since kubiak left his offensive playcalling has been atrocious, especially in the redzone, the redzone woes were pretty atrocious when kubiak was here as well

10-04-2007, 09:21 PM	#19
Moon§hiner Skipper of the Minnow Lightning in a Bottle Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,888	Martz makes for a nice off. coach, but I wouldn't trust him with associating with the defensive coach and being on the same page if he were in charge of the team on the field. If you think Shanahan has a big ego just look at tapes of Martz when he was in charge of the Rams. The only guy I can even think of to replace Shanny is taken. Kubiak.. I had hopes that he would stick around and be the heir apparent but it wasn't meant to be.

10-04-2007, 09:22 PM	#20
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Attn shoppers we have a fan going off the deep edge in isle 3 i repeat, we have a fan going off the deep edge in isle 3 (that is all)

10-04-2007, 09:23 PM	#22
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,572 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Shanny is still one of the best HC's out there. Problem is he's not so good in the old player personnel recruitment dept be it through the draft or FA, then again isn't that partially Ted Sundqvist's job Thing is if Bowlen attempted to take away any of Shanahan's current responsibilities I reckon he'd leave.

10-04-2007, 09:24 PM	#23
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	There is a need to debate it you are freaking out. Just remember when the team makes another run you checked yourself off the Shanny bandwagon.