Rush mistreated by the media -- what else is new? - The Orange Mane

Bob · 10-02-2007, 06:17 PM

GLENN BECK PROGRAM
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

GLENN: The attacks are almost always ridiculous, but that's okay for them. They know their audience. Their audience is ridiculous. Their audience doesn't use any brain power whatsoever. They can absolutely count on the fact that their audience, made up solely of MoveOn.org members, and, strangely, the mainstream media, will simply not try to understand. I know this to be true because I've seen it firsthand. I mean the media organizations, yeah, mainstream media. So I've -- I've actually seen the floor and how it works. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you've actually got the source? Got it right here, look at this.

Oh, maybe we should go check the original source and see how it's been edited or how it's been framed. What's the context? Context? What?

They know their audience will not look for a single word of context. They believe that their audience is literally that dumb. And over and over again, they're right. It's amazing.

They tried to run O'Reilly through the mud last week, unsuccessfully. The latest Rush Limbaugh attack I guess would be number 88 if you're keeping score at home. It's one of the most -- if it wasn't dealing with the troops, it would be one of the most laughable stories I think I've ever heard.

Unfortunately, once again, the left uses our troops. Oh, George Bush is using a picture of him on a plate and 9/11 to get reelected.

Yeah, yeah. I'd like to start a website called Context Matters and one that's just Perspective.org. Perspective matters. Context matters. In case you haven't heard it, Rush has been attacked for supposedly calling soldiers to -- that -- that are protesting the war, he's called them phony soldiers. I can hear him now, as you know, all the holy soldiers should be strung up, all ones, anybody who disagrees. Yeah, I can hear that coming out of Rush's mouth, especially he loves to run the soldiers through, doesn't he? Oh, he's just so anti-military, that Rush Limbaugh. No, the soldiers hate Rush Limbaugh. They love John Kerry and Murtha and Harry Reid. They're in there fighting for you, unless, you know, someone calls your commanding officer a -- a traitor. You know. Or the -- you know, what you're doing over there is not worthwhile or lost, you know. But they're with you.

The only problem with claiming that he was attacking people who are soldiers that disagree with the war phony is -- and it's a tiny little -- I mean it's almost a -- I hate to even bring it up. It's just the little fact that he didn't say that, but other than that, they got the story right. Not even remotely close.

But the great thing is in our system of government, it didn't stop any of the US Senators from actually wasting time denouncing Rush out Senate floor. And maybe they were confused, because maybe they thought, Rush -- I was rushing to the floor to denounce MoveOn.org calling Petraeus a traitor. Maybe that's what they thought they were denouncing because they didn't really rush out to do that one, which is kind of weird. More on the senators here in a second.

What's amazing to me about this is it's not like miss -- it's not like Rush misspoke at all, and it's not like you have to have hours and hours of additional context to understand because it was such a fine point. It's not like you need to know his record over, I don't know, what is it, several decades of broadcasting, to understand what he was talking about. All you need to do is be aware of it news, and you'd think a senator would do that.

ABC News did a story -- well, when was it? It was so long ago, I hate to even bring it up because it was just -- it was like almost a whole seven days ago that ABC did a story on phony veterans. Phony veterans? What's that story about, ABC News? The story was largely from ABC about Jesse MacBeth. This guy was a rallying point for the anti-war left. He said he won a Purple Heart. He described how he and other soldiers killed innocent civilians, how they would go in, as soldiers, how they would go into mosques and hang the bodies in mosques.

Well, that's great, huh? That's affect. He said, quote, while in there prayer, we started slaughtering them. Well, again, the good story, and I hate to bring up just a small point, but none of that was true. He was discharged after six weeks. He didn't see combat. Military says he didn't even finish basic training. He washed out in basic training. Now, he has since apologized in court for a lower sentence for lying about his record and defaming US soldiers. He got a total of five months in jail.

That is criminal. This guy should not have gotten five months. This guy is a traitor. Don't talk to me about Petraeus. This man is a traitor to his country. He was making up horrific lies that have been used in propaganda, both here and abroad. And he gets five months? He is a traitor to our nation. That is a phony venture. Unfortunately, that's not the only phony venture that ABC was reporting on. In fact, the US Department of Justice says that phony vets, quote, unquote, stole $1.4 million of money that should have gone to real veterans and real heroes. That's not nationwide, by the way. That's only in 12 cases of fraud in the Pacific Northwest.

Now, some people are trying to say that Rush clearly meant all of the soldiers because he used "soldiers," plural, not "soldier."

Well, there's only a couple of problems with this. People thinking military service, you know, for political and financial gain is significant enough that the DOJ has actually, you know, made a name for it. It's called Operation Stolen Valor. If there were only one soldier doing it, why would you have a giant sting operation? Why would you have a huge -- why would you set the machinery up for one guy? It's clearly "soldiers."

By the way, was it Murtha that said our Marines were slaughtering innocent civilians and murdering people in Haditha? Wasn't that? Gee, if I'm going to use this logic, Murtha just called every single Marine a murderer.

Now, in context, he was not, he was just calling every single Marine in this operation in Haditha a murderer, which he was wrong about, which is really, really strange. In context, Rush was calling these soldiers, phony veterans because they are pretending to be veterans, and he was right about that. So that was -- it was -- the DOJ, ABC News, and Rush Limbaugh that were right, and then it was Murtha that was wrong.

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Thought I would offer ballance to what has become a center for socialist re-education.

TheDave · 10-02-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

Thought I would offer ballance to what has become a center for socialist re-education.

Why anyone would waste their time by defending Rush Limbaugh is beyond me... Have fun.

W*GS · 10-02-2007, 06:56 PM

I weep for Limbaugh, I really do.

http://www.havecoffeewillwrite.com/w.../youngrush.jpg

Rohirrim · 10-02-2007, 10:19 PM

I still would like to know why no one did a follow up investigation when Rush was apprehended at the Miami airport returning from a child sex hot spot (Dominican Republic) with oxycontin and viagra in his possession.

Bronco Bob · 10-02-2007, 10:30 PM

Glenn Beck is a moron.

ant1999e · 10-03-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Glenn Beck is a moron.

Because he has a different opinion than you?

TailgateNut · 10-03-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

Because he has a different opinion than you?

Because he's slurping on Rush's gizmo!

WTH! Nappy headede Ho's is not OK!
Be-tray-us is not OK!
But, Phony Soldiers is FINE?

Rohirrim · 10-03-2007, 10:12 AM

Rush is another one of those Bushie deferment monkeys who likes to play wave-the-flag chicken hawk. In this case, as with all Bush's deferment monkeys, he is more chicken **** than chicken hawk. It's amazing how many of these right wing loud mouths found every angle on earth to get out of serving and then they turn around and define patriotism for the rest of us. It's also instructive at how hypocritical the Right is. You can smear Democratic war heroes all day without a peep, but don't argue with one of their deferment monkeys.

In the final analysis, a Purple Heart veteran of Iraq has issued a challenge to Rush the Pig, "Say it to my face." We all know how Rush will handle that one. Pop another oxy and run away, chicken ****.

defenseman · 10-03-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

Because he has a different opinion than you?

Hit the nail on the head with that question. And he fired back, just like moveon.org, innuendo and accusations, nothing to back it up. Drag him through the mud, just because. Must be a Sean Penn wanna-be....dman

ant1999e · 10-03-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Because he's slurping on Rush's gizmo!

WTH! Nappy headede Ho's is not OK!
Be-tray-us is not OK!
But, Phony Soldiers is FINE?

His comments were doctored up and if you did any research and were an honest person, you'd admit it. That being said, I think rush has a big mouth.

defenseman · 10-03-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

His comments were doctored up and if you did any research and were an honest person, you'd admit it. That being said, I think rush has a big mouth.

Yes, he's got a big mouth sometimes, check that, alot of the time.....dman

*And yes, the context has been twisted, not unlike the twist of Oreilly's comments from a downtown Harlem eatery if I recall correctly, an attempt to make him out to be racist. Pretty amazing how the media cuts/splices/deletes it's way to twist something good into something bad. In any case, par for the course for the media matters crowd..dman

Rohirrim · 10-03-2007, 10:32 AM

Yeah, people are warping the intent of these poor, Right Wing mouthpieces. Here's a previous gem from Glenn Beck, lifting up the national dialogue:

""Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization. The goal is global carbon tax. The goal is the United Nations running the world. That is the goal. Back in the 1930s, the goal was get rid of all of the Jews and have one global government. You got to have an enemy to fight. And when you have an enemy to fight, then you can unite the entire world behind you, and you seize power. That was Hitler's plan. His enemy: the Jew. Al Gore's enemy, the U.N.'s enemy: global warming. Then you get the scientists -- eugenics. You get the scientists -- global warming. Then you have to discredit the scientists who say, 'That's not right.' And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did."

Rohirrim · 10-03-2007, 10:36 AM

Here's another award winner from Glenn Beck:

CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck to Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN) (who is a Muslim):
"OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. ... With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, 'Let's cut and run.' And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' " [11/14/06]

ant1999e · 10-03-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

Yes, he's got a big mouth sometimes, check that, alot of the time.....dman

*And yes, the context has been twisted, not unlike the twist of Oreilly's comments from a downtown Harlem eatery if I recall correctly, an attempt to make him out to be racist. Pretty amazing how the media cuts/splices/deletes it's way to twist something good into something bad. In any case, par for the course for the media matters crowd..dman

The bad thing is that people read these stories and take them as the truth without doing research. That is why these smear tactics work and why their used.

ant1999e · 10-03-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Yeah, people are warping the intent of these poor, Right Wing mouthpieces. Here's a previous gem from Glenn Beck, lifting up the national dialogue:

""Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization. The goal is global carbon tax. The goal is the United Nations running the world. That is the goal. Back in the 1930s, the goal was get rid of all of the Jews and have one global government. You got to have an enemy to fight. And when you have an enemy to fight, then you can unite the entire world behind you, and you seize power. That was Hitler's plan. His enemy: the Jew. Al Gore's enemy, the U.N.'s enemy: global warming. Then you get the scientists -- eugenics. You get the scientists -- global warming. Then you have to discredit the scientists who say, 'That's not right.' And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did."

I'll admit comparing Gore to Hiltler is a little extreme. However, he is comparing the tactics they used reach their goal. I don't think he is calling gore a ruthless murderer.

Rohirrim · 10-03-2007, 10:45 AM

Here's a bunch more examples of Rush being caught out of context:

Drug Abuse
"And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs,
using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good
because we know what happens to people in societies and
neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if
people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought
to be accused and they ought to be convicted and
they ought to be sent up."

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia
(former Grateful Dead guitarist) destroyed his life on
drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike
figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks."

(well ditto heads? I bet you still love this drug
addicted, law-breaking drug freek. Ever hear of 'just
say no' or how by buying drugs you are supporting
Osama?)

Earth

"The Earth's eco-system is not fragile."

Feminism

"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive
women easier access to the mainstream of society."

Homeless
"One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the
homeless olympics...the 10-metre shopping cart relay,
the dumpster dig, and the hop, skip, and trip."

Indians and VD

"I don't give a hoot that [Columbus] gave some Indians a
disease that they didn't have immunity against" (Ought to Be, p. 45).

Iraqi Prison Abuse
Exactly. Exactly my point! This is no different than what
happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going
to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper
our military effort, and then we are going to really
hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these
people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about
people having a good time, these people, you ever heard
of emotional release? You of heard of need to blow some
steam off?
Rush's Radio Show 5-4-4

Jesse Jackson
‘have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted
criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?
Rush Limbaugh
Source:Notable Quotables, mrc.org

Mexicans
If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--
I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely
no knowledge whatsoever to do--let the stupid and
unskilled Mexicans do that work."

Michael J. Fox (Parkinson's disease)
"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's
moving all around and shaking and it's purely an
act. . . . This is really shameless of
Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication
or he's acting. This is the only time I've ever seen
Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the
disease he has. He can barely control himself."
Rush Limbaugh
Source: Rush's Radio Show 10-24-06

NAACP

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get
a liquor store and practice robberies"
(radio; reported in the Flush Rush Quarterly, January 1993).

Donovan McNabb
"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL.
The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.
There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit
for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve."

Nuclear Arms Reduction

"The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them."

Owls

"If the owl can't adapt to the superiority of humans, screw it"
(Ought to Be, p. 162).

Sierra Club

"The Sierra Club wants to limit the number of kids you can have
to two. They are into power and controlling peoples lives."

Sexual Harassement
Sexual harassment at this work station will not be reported.
However...it will be graded!!!

Trees

"The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you
do after you cut it down."

"We have more trees in this country today than when
the Declaration of Independence was written. The wackos
will tell you that's impossible."

"There are more acres of forestland in America today
than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492"

Rush Lies

1) Limbaugh: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into
believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation
in America (in the '80s) resulted in a bigger gap between the
have and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the
Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth"
(Limbaugh, The Way Things Ought to Be, p. 70).
Reality: CBO numbers for after-tax incomes show that in
1980 the richest fifth of our country had eight times the
income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more
than 20-to-1.

2)Limbaugh: "The poorest people in America are better off
than the mainstream families of Europe" (radio, 1993).
Reality: The poorest 20 percent of Americans can purchase
an average of $5,433 worth of goods with their income.
Meanwhile, in Germany, the average person can purchase
$20,610 worth of goods; in France, $19,200;
in Britain, $16,730 (World Development Report 1994,
published by the World Bank).

ant1999e · 10-03-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Here's another award winner from Glenn Beck:

CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck to Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN) (who is a Muslim):
"OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. ... With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, 'Let's cut and run.' And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' " [11/14/06]

Here's the rest of the conversation.

On November 14, 2006, Glenn Beck of CNN Headline News[95] asked Ellison to, "prove to me that you are not working with our enemies," saying, "And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." Ellison replied that his constituents, "know that I have a deep love and affection for my country. There's no one who's more patriotic than I am, and so you know, I don't need to — need to prove my patriotic stripes."

TailgateNut · 10-03-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

His comments were doctored up and if you did any research and were an honest person, you'd admit it. That being said, I think rush has a big mouth.

Horse****! I listened to the conversation between he and "Mike" (who BTW needs a foot in his ass also), and he (Rush) was referring to soldiers, not a soldier.

Cover his ass if you like, but IMO he is a spineless POS!

TailgateNut · 10-03-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

In the final analysis, a Purple Heart veteran of Iraq has issued a challenge to Rush the Pig, "Say it to my face." We all know how Rush will handle that one. Pop another oxy and run away, chicken ****.

He'll just slither off into a hole like the rest of those who used butt pimples as an excuse to get out of serving in the military. He is just another snake in the grass which needs to be beheaded!

TailgateNut · 10-03-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

His comments were doctored up and if you did any research and were an honest person, you'd admit it. That being said, I think rush has a big mouth.

Doctored up

WTF are you babbling about.

...and how am I being dis-honest, or is that just a personal attack?

ant1999e · 10-03-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Horse****! I listened to the conversation between he and "Mike" (who BTW needs a foot in his ass also), and he (Rush) was referring to soldiers, not a soldier.

Cover his ass if you like, but IMO he is a spineless POS!

He may be a spineless POS but his comments were misconstrued.

Rohirrim · 10-03-2007, 11:00 AM

(from the Baltimore Sun)
Rush reply to attacking veteran: Suicide bomber

by Mark Silva

Radio’s Rush Limbaugh, at war with Democrats over his remark about “phony soldiers,’’ today offered a bold new description for the wounded Iraq veteran whom anti-war veterans have placed in cable TV and radio ads criticizing Limbaugh for his controversial commentary.

Suicide bomber.

“This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into,’’ Limbaugh said today.

“This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren’t hurting me. They are betraying this soldier.’’

But it was a real life suicide bomber who had attacked the soldier in question, it turns out, leaving him with head wounds and a Purple Heart that we see in his ad complaining about the radio host, and when the soldier caught wind of Limbaugh’s complaint today, he only escalated the conflict.

“I have seen the aftermath of a real suicide bomber,’’ veteran Brian McGough wrote today in an email to a liberal weblog.

“So, Rush Limbaugh called me a ‘suicide bomber,’ said the anti-war veteran. "More slander from the high and mighty sitting in his chair nursing the boils on his ass. I can assure you that I am no suicide bomber and that I can think for myself.’’

The VoteVets group certainly thinks so. The coalition of anti-war veterans is featuring McGough in an ad airing this week on the Fox News Channel and on CNN as well as on the radio stations in Washington and Palm Beach, Limbaugh’s home base, that air his radio show.

All this, of course, in response to the initial comment that Limbaugh made last week during a discussion with radio callers about people calling for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq – “phony soldiers,’’ said Limbaugh, later in the week insisting that he had only one phony in mind, the imposter Jesse MacBeth.

He then went on to add Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Pa.), retired Marine colonel and Iraq war opponent, to a roster of “genuine phony soldiers.’’ And this led to the VoteVets ad campaign.

“Rush, your phony soldier comments pissed me off,’’ McGough continued in an email posted today by DailyKos.com, that liberal weblog, responding to the report of Limbaugh’s newest comment. Brandon Friedman, a VoteVets member, reported it in his "diary'' on the site. "The audacity of someone like you who never had the courage to stand and fight for what you believe in makes my head spin,'' McGough wrote, Friedman reports.

McGough wrote that his anger for Limbaugh’s comments is “what made me stand up and state my convictions in front of a camera. I wanted to point out that you are wrong. I am not a phony soldier.

“I believe that we are not doing the right thing for national security by staying in Iraq,’’ McGough continued. “We are putting too much strain on our military by extending tours and not giving people enough time at home to rest. We have taken our eye off of the real Al-Qaeda and let them regroup to their pre-9/11 strength.’’

You can see the ad in which he appears:

Limbaugh responded to the ad today by insisting that VoteVets.org is using McGough as a carrier of lies – mainly the contention that Limbaugh was talking about war-protesting soldiers in general, which he certainly appeared to be doing at the time. His remarks, he says, were aimed at Jesse MacBeth, who had claimed to witness atrocities in Iraq but never really served there.

Limbaugh claims he is the victim of a ''smear.''

Fox News reports on Limbaugh’s remarks.

Then a writer for DailyKos published McGough's reply by email:

“I stood in the sand, snow, dirt, mud and dust of both Afghanistan and Iraq. I spent over a week on a side of a mountain in Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda. I received The Bronze Star medal for my actions during that battle. I crossed the border into Iraq with the first wave of the 101st Airborne.

“I sustained an open head injury on the streets of Mosul after a vehicle borne IED exploded next to the vehicle I was riding in. I have seen the aftermath of a real suicide bomber. I had loved ones who died in the 9/11 attacks. I have friends and colleagues who returned from the war in body bags.

“How dare you call someone like me a phony soldier and a suicide bomber? In the commercial I just taped, I told you unless you had the guts to say something to my face, stop telling lies about my service. Well you haven't had the guts to say it to my face, but I am waiting and the offer is still on the table."

TailgateNut · 10-03-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

He may be a spineless POS but his comments were misconstrued.

Misconstrued, MY ASS!
Did you listen to the who conversation?
If you did, what was inplied by his comment?

TailgateNut · 10-03-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

His comments were doctored up and if you did any research and were an honest person, you'd admit it. That being said, I think rush has a big mouth.

I'm still waiting for an answer!

How am I being dishonest, and other than listening to his own words, what research needs to be done. I understand the english language, and he did imply that those who do not support the mission were "phony soldiers"(pl.), not "a phony soldier", as he and his appologists would like us to believe.

...and I would also like to have this POS say that to my face.

You can't even join his BS site to send that POS an E-mail unless you put money in his pocket. What a giant hypocritical TURD!

...and Clear Channel can BITE MY ASS TOO!

defenseman · 10-03-2007, 11:27 AM

It's my understanding there is a move afoot to pin part of the blame for "mediamatters" even existing on Sen. Clinton. Apparently she was somehow involved with it during it's development. Anyone heard anything about that?...dman

*Just heresay right now. Just wondering if any of you fellas have heard anything...

10-02-2007, 06:17 PM	#1
Bob Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,330	Rush mistreated by the media -- what else is new? GLENN BECK PROGRAM BEGIN TRANSCRIPT GLENN: The attacks are almost always ridiculous, but that's okay for them. They know their audience. Their audience is ridiculous. Their audience doesn't use any brain power whatsoever. They can absolutely count on the fact that their audience, made up solely of MoveOn.org members, and, strangely, the mainstream media, will simply not try to understand. I know this to be true because I've seen it firsthand. I mean the media organizations, yeah, mainstream media. So I've -- I've actually seen the floor and how it works. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you've actually got the source? Got it right here, look at this. Oh, maybe we should go check the original source and see how it's been edited or how it's been framed. What's the context? Context? What? They know their audience will not look for a single word of context. They believe that their audience is literally that dumb. And over and over again, they're right. It's amazing. They tried to run O'Reilly through the mud last week, unsuccessfully. The latest Rush Limbaugh attack I guess would be number 88 if you're keeping score at home. It's one of the most -- if it wasn't dealing with the troops, it would be one of the most laughable stories I think I've ever heard. Unfortunately, once again, the left uses our troops. Oh, George Bush is using a picture of him on a plate and 9/11 to get reelected. Yeah, yeah. I'd like to start a website called Context Matters and one that's just Perspective.org. Perspective matters. Context matters. In case you haven't heard it, Rush has been attacked for supposedly calling soldiers to -- that -- that are protesting the war, he's called them phony soldiers. I can hear him now, as you know, all the holy soldiers should be strung up, all ones, anybody who disagrees. Yeah, I can hear that coming out of Rush's mouth, especially he loves to run the soldiers through, doesn't he? Oh, he's just so anti-military, that Rush Limbaugh. No, the soldiers hate Rush Limbaugh. They love John Kerry and Murtha and Harry Reid. They're in there fighting for you, unless, you know, someone calls your commanding officer a -- a traitor. You know. Or the -- you know, what you're doing over there is not worthwhile or lost, you know. But they're with you. The only problem with claiming that he was attacking people who are soldiers that disagree with the war phony is -- and it's a tiny little -- I mean it's almost a -- I hate to even bring it up. It's just the little fact that he didn't say that, but other than that, they got the story right. Not even remotely close. But the great thing is in our system of government, it didn't stop any of the US Senators from actually wasting time denouncing Rush out Senate floor. And maybe they were confused, because maybe they thought, Rush -- I was rushing to the floor to denounce MoveOn.org calling Petraeus a traitor. Maybe that's what they thought they were denouncing because they didn't really rush out to do that one, which is kind of weird. More on the senators here in a second. What's amazing to me about this is it's not like miss -- it's not like Rush misspoke at all, and it's not like you have to have hours and hours of additional context to understand because it was such a fine point. It's not like you need to know his record over, I don't know, what is it, several decades of broadcasting, to understand what he was talking about. All you need to do is be aware of it news, and you'd think a senator would do that. ABC News did a story -- well, when was it? It was so long ago, I hate to even bring it up because it was just -- it was like almost a whole seven days ago that ABC did a story on phony veterans. Phony veterans? What's that story about, ABC News? The story was largely from ABC about Jesse MacBeth. This guy was a rallying point for the anti-war left. He said he won a Purple Heart. He described how he and other soldiers killed innocent civilians, how they would go in, as soldiers, how they would go into mosques and hang the bodies in mosques. Well, that's great, huh? That's affect. He said, quote, while in there prayer, we started slaughtering them. Well, again, the good story, and I hate to bring up just a small point, but none of that was true. He was discharged after six weeks. He didn't see combat. Military says he didn't even finish basic training. He washed out in basic training. Now, he has since apologized in court for a lower sentence for lying about his record and defaming US soldiers. He got a total of five months in jail. That is criminal. This guy should not have gotten five months. This guy is a traitor. Don't talk to me about Petraeus. This man is a traitor to his country. He was making up horrific lies that have been used in propaganda, both here and abroad. And he gets five months? He is a traitor to our nation. That is a phony venture. Unfortunately, that's not the only phony venture that ABC was reporting on. In fact, the US Department of Justice says that phony vets, quote, unquote, stole $1.4 million of money that should have gone to real veterans and real heroes. That's not nationwide, by the way. That's only in 12 cases of fraud in the Pacific Northwest. Now, some people are trying to say that Rush clearly meant all of the soldiers because he used "soldiers," plural, not "soldier." Well, there's only a couple of problems with this. People thinking military service, you know, for political and financial gain is significant enough that the DOJ has actually, you know, made a name for it. It's called Operation Stolen Valor. If there were only one soldier doing it, why would you have a giant sting operation? Why would you have a huge -- why would you set the machinery up for one guy? It's clearly "soldiers." By the way, was it Murtha that said our Marines were slaughtering innocent civilians and murdering people in Haditha? Wasn't that? Gee, if I'm going to use this logic, Murtha just called every single Marine a murderer. Now, in context, he was not, he was just calling every single Marine in this operation in Haditha a murderer, which he was wrong about, which is really, really strange. In context, Rush was calling these soldiers, phony veterans because they are pretending to be veterans, and he was right about that. So that was -- it was -- the DOJ, ABC News, and Rush Limbaugh that were right, and then it was Murtha that was wrong. END TRANSCRIPTTT Thought I would offer ballance to what has become a center for socialist re-education.

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10-02-2007, 06:56 PM	#3
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,509	I weep for Limbaugh, I really do. http://www.havecoffeewillwrite.com/w.../youngrush.jpg

10-02-2007, 10:19 PM	#4
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	I still would like to know why no one did a follow up investigation when Rush was apprehended at the Miami airport returning from a child sex hot spot (Dominican Republic) with oxycontin and viagra in his possession.

10-02-2007, 10:30 PM	#5
Bronco Bob Tastee Freeze Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,464 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Glenn Beck is a moron.

10-03-2007, 10:12 AM	#8
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	Rush is another one of those Bushie deferment monkeys who likes to play wave-the-flag chicken hawk. In this case, as with all Bush's deferment monkeys, he is more chicken ** than chicken hawk. It's amazing how many of these right wing loud mouths found every angle on earth to get out of serving and then they turn around and define patriotism for the rest of us. It's also instructive at how hypocritical the Right is. You can smear Democratic war heroes all day without a peep, but don't argue with one of their deferment monkeys. In the final analysis, a Purple Heart veteran of Iraq has issued a challenge to Rush the Pig, "Say it to my face." We all know how Rush will handle that one. Pop another oxy and run away, chicken **.

10-03-2007, 10:32 AM	#12
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	Yeah, people are warping the intent of these poor, Right Wing mouthpieces. Here's a previous gem from Glenn Beck, lifting up the national dialogue: ""Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization. The goal is global carbon tax. The goal is the United Nations running the world. That is the goal. Back in the 1930s, the goal was get rid of all of the Jews and have one global government. You got to have an enemy to fight. And when you have an enemy to fight, then you can unite the entire world behind you, and you seize power. That was Hitler's plan. His enemy: the Jew. Al Gore's enemy, the U.N.'s enemy: global warming. Then you get the scientists -- eugenics. You get the scientists -- global warming. Then you have to discredit the scientists who say, 'That's not right.' And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did."

10-03-2007, 10:36 AM	#13
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	Here's another award winner from Glenn Beck: CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck to Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN) (who is a Muslim): "OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. ... With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, 'Let's cut and run.' And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' " [11/14/06]

10-03-2007, 10:45 AM	#16
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	Here's a bunch more examples of Rush being caught out of context: Drug Abuse "And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up." "When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia (former Grateful Dead guitarist) destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks." (well ditto heads? I bet you still love this drug addicted, law-breaking drug freek. Ever hear of 'just say no' or how by buying drugs you are supporting Osama?) Earth "The Earth's eco-system is not fragile." Feminism "Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." Homeless "One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the homeless olympics...the 10-metre shopping cart relay, the dumpster dig, and the hop, skip, and trip." Indians and VD "I don't give a hoot that [Columbus] gave some Indians a disease that they didn't have immunity against" (Ought to Be, p. 45). Iraqi Prison Abuse Exactly. Exactly my point! This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You of heard of need to blow some steam off? Rush's Radio Show 5-4-4 Jesse Jackson ‘have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson? Rush Limbaugh Source:Notable Quotables, mrc.org Mexicans If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people-- I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let the stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work." Michael J. Fox (Parkinson's disease) "He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. . . . This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting. This is the only time I've ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has. He can barely control himself." Rush Limbaugh Source: Rush's Radio Show 10-24-06 NAACP "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies" (radio; reported in the Flush Rush Quarterly, January 1993). Donovan McNabb "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve." Nuclear Arms Reduction "The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them." Owls "If the owl can't adapt to the superiority of humans, screw it" (Ought to Be, p. 162). Sierra Club "The Sierra Club wants to limit the number of kids you can have to two. They are into power and controlling peoples lives." Sexual Harassement Sexual harassment at this work station will not be reported. However...it will be graded!!! Trees "The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do after you cut it down." "We have more trees in this country today than when the Declaration of Independence was written. The wackos will tell you that's impossible." "There are more acres of forestland in America today than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492" Rush Lies 1) Limbaugh: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation in America (in the '80s) resulted in a bigger gap between the have and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth" (Limbaugh, The Way Things Ought to Be, p. 70). Reality: CBO numbers for after-tax incomes show that in 1980 the richest fifth of our country had eight times the income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more than 20-to-1. 2)Limbaugh: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe" (radio, 1993). Reality: The poorest 20 percent of Americans can purchase an average of $5,433 worth of goods with their income. Meanwhile, in Germany, the average person can purchase $20,610 worth of goods; in France, $19,200; in Britain, $16,730 (World Development Report 1994, published by the World Bank).

10-03-2007, 11:00 AM	#22
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	(from the Baltimore Sun) Rush reply to attacking veteran: Suicide bomber by Mark Silva Radio’s Rush Limbaugh, at war with Democrats over his remark about “phony soldiers,’’ today offered a bold new description for the wounded Iraq veteran whom anti-war veterans have placed in cable TV and radio ads criticizing Limbaugh for his controversial commentary. Suicide bomber. “This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into,’’ Limbaugh said today. “This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren’t hurting me. They are betraying this soldier.’’ But it was a real life suicide bomber who had attacked the soldier in question, it turns out, leaving him with head wounds and a Purple Heart that we see in his ad complaining about the radio host, and when the soldier caught wind of Limbaugh’s complaint today, he only escalated the conflict. “I have seen the aftermath of a real suicide bomber,’’ veteran Brian McGough wrote today in an email to a liberal weblog. “So, Rush Limbaugh called me a ‘suicide bomber,’ said the anti-war veteran. "More slander from the high and mighty sitting in his chair nursing the boils on his ass. I can assure you that I am no suicide bomber and that I can think for myself.’’ The VoteVets group certainly thinks so. The coalition of anti-war veterans is featuring McGough in an ad airing this week on the Fox News Channel and on CNN as well as on the radio stations in Washington and Palm Beach, Limbaugh’s home base, that air his radio show. All this, of course, in response to the initial comment that Limbaugh made last week during a discussion with radio callers about people calling for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq – “phony soldiers,’’ said Limbaugh, later in the week insisting that he had only one phony in mind, the imposter Jesse MacBeth. He then went on to add Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Pa.), retired Marine colonel and Iraq war opponent, to a roster of “genuine phony soldiers.’’ And this led to the VoteVets ad campaign. “Rush, your phony soldier comments pissed me off,’’ McGough continued in an email posted today by DailyKos.com, that liberal weblog, responding to the report of Limbaugh’s newest comment. Brandon Friedman, a VoteVets member, reported it in his "diary'' on the site. "The audacity of someone like you who never had the courage to stand and fight for what you believe in makes my head spin,'' McGough wrote, Friedman reports. McGough wrote that his anger for Limbaugh’s comments is “what made me stand up and state my convictions in front of a camera. I wanted to point out that you are wrong. I am not a phony soldier. “I believe that we are not doing the right thing for national security by staying in Iraq,’’ McGough continued. “We are putting too much strain on our military by extending tours and not giving people enough time at home to rest. We have taken our eye off of the real Al-Qaeda and let them regroup to their pre-9/11 strength.’’ You can see the ad in which he appears: Limbaugh responded to the ad today by insisting that VoteVets.org is using McGough as a carrier of lies – mainly the contention that Limbaugh was talking about war-protesting soldiers in general, which he certainly appeared to be doing at the time. His remarks, he says, were aimed at Jesse MacBeth, who had claimed to witness atrocities in Iraq but never really served there. Limbaugh claims he is the victim of a ''smear.'' Fox News reports on Limbaugh’s remarks. Then a writer for DailyKos published McGough's reply by email: “I stood in the sand, snow, dirt, mud and dust of both Afghanistan and Iraq. I spent over a week on a side of a mountain in Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda. I received The Bronze Star medal for my actions during that battle. I crossed the border into Iraq with the first wave of the 101st Airborne. “I sustained an open head injury on the streets of Mosul after a vehicle borne IED exploded next to the vehicle I was riding in. I have seen the aftermath of a real suicide bomber. I had loved ones who died in the 9/11 attacks. I have friends and colleagues who returned from the war in body bags. “How dare you call someone like me a phony soldier and a suicide bomber? In the commercial I just taped, I told you unless you had the guts to say something to my face, stop telling lies about my service. Well you haven't had the guts to say it to my face, but I am waiting and the offer is still on the table."

10-03-2007, 11:27 AM	#25
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	It's my understanding there is a move afoot to pin part of the blame for "mediamatters" even existing on Sen. Clinton. Apparently she was somehow involved with it during it's development. Anyone heard anything about that?...dman *Just heresay right now. Just wondering if any of you fellas have heard anything...