This is why we went into OT instead of just winning the game:

[BucklandBronco]

LAST 3 MINUTES OF 4TH QUARTER…

1-10-OAK 10 (3:12) J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to J.Walker (N.Asomugha).
2-10-OAK 10 (3:07) M.Bell up the middle to OAK 7 for 3 yards (S.Williams; J.Richardson).
3-7-OAK 7 (2:28) (Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short left to J.Walker to OAK 2 for 5 yards (N.Asomugha, S.Schweigert).
4-2-OAK 2 (2:22) J.Elam 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-T.Sauerbrun.

Play #1 following a first down, leaving 3:12 on the clock, was a par move. Had the pass been completed, would have not only led to another 1st down, but could have culminated in a TD.

Play # 2: It’s now 2nd and 10, and you bring in Jerry Lewis as RB Sure, Henry had just run for 11, two plays before, and it was smart to rest him for this crucial run…but WHY MIKE BELL (Uh, what was wrong with Young… or Ceicle Sapp again, mebbe?)

Play # 3: OK, Jerry was good for 3 yards—WHOOP-DE-DOO! It’s now 3-7, and the Cutler-to-Walker completion for 5 yards could have sealed the deal, had the
RB delivered, the play before (or just have RUN the damn thang for the 1st down in the first place)!

Play # 4 was an OK call. Guess you don’t gamble the game on 4th and 2 if you don’t have that much confidence in your running game (where is Henry, after having a couple of minutes to catch his breath?). You just kick the damn field goal and hope for good fortune in OT.

Anyhow, it all ended up with a technical “win” for Denver. Thank the football gods for Shanny’s good fortune in calling that last-ditch timeout in OT, which did indeed “ice” the Oakie kicker. I guess that makes up for his poor judgment in playing one of last season’s UN-dynamic duo in the clutch—when it really, really counts!

[OABB]

Originally Posted by BucklandBronco

LAST 3 MINUTES OF 4TH QUARTER…

1-10-OAK 10 (3:12) J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to J.Walker (N.Asomugha).
2-10-OAK 10 (3:07) M.Bell up the middle to OAK 7 for 3 yards (S.Williams; J.Richardson).
3-7-OAK 7 (2:28) (Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short left to J.Walker to OAK 2 for 5 yards (N.Asomugha, S.Schweigert).
4-2-OAK 2 (2:22) J.Elam 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-T.Sauerbrun.

Play #1 following a first down, leaving 3:12 on the clock, was a par move. Had the pass been completed, would have not only led to another 1st down, but could have culminated in a TD.

Play # 2: It’s now 2nd and 10, and you bring in Jerry Lewis as RB Sure, Henry had just run for 11, two plays before, and it was smart to rest him for this crucial run…but WHY MIKE BELL (Uh, what was wrong with Young… or Ceicle Sapp again, mebbe?)

Play # 3: OK, Jerry was good for 3 yards—WHOOP-DE-DOO! It’s now 3-7, and the Cutler-to-Walker completion for 5 yards could have sealed the deal, had the
RB delivered, the play before (or just have RUN the damn thang for the 1st down in the first place)!

Play # 4 was an OK call. Guess you don’t gamble the game on 4th and 2 if you don’t have that much confidence in your running game (where is Henry, after having a couple of minutes to catch his breath?). You just kick the damn field goal and hope for good fortune in OT.

Anyhow, it all ended up with a technical “win” for Denver. Thank the football gods for Shanny’s good fortune in calling that last-ditch timeout in OT, which did indeed “ice” the Oakie kicker. I guess that makes up for his poor judgment in playing one of last season’s UN-dynamic duo in the clutch—when it really, really counts!

i'm new here. where's the smilie icon where the smilie ties a rope around his neck and jumps off a stool because he has had it with these multiple horribly b****y threads posted here on the mane?

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

i'm new here. where's the smilie icon where the smilie ties a rope around his neck and jumps off a stool because he has had it with these multiple horribly b****y threads posted here on the mane?

Rep.

[BucklandBronco]

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

i'm new here. where's the smilie icon where the smilie ties a rope around his neck and jumps off a stool because he has had it with these multiple horribly b****y threads posted here on the mane?

Here's the smilie--you draw in the rope.

BTW, "b****y" doesn't even enter into the equation on my part. This is what you call an personal analysis/observation. If the Broncs were not better than this, (going into OT against OAK) there would be no need for my personal comment.

[Paladin]

Don't be so b****y.

[broncocalijohn]

You can question the calls if you wish as an opinion but Mike Bell is not Jerry Lewis and we were running on them. If there was say 2:35 left in the game and just maybe we go for it on 4th and 2 to score the TD. We only had one timeout. With 21 seconds, easy call to go for the tie and win it at home. We will never know what Mike would have done if there was more time to put his defense at the goal line to stop them. Now, if you want to b****, do it in bigger terms like why we have a crap load of yards and not the score to match it? Start with 3 missed field goals in two games.

[7 4ever]

The Broncos stink so bad that they do deserve their current position at the botom of the division, oh wait...

[BucklandBronco]

Originally Posted by Meck77

Who's to say Oakland doesn't wipe the floor vs the chiefs and give the Chargers a run for their money?

The blame game snapshot analysis just doesn't work in game that involves 3 phases and 4 quarters of football that led to OT. Sorry.

Fair analysis. For one thing, I hate it when the pundits already call a game, the week before the game is even played. I was, frankly, worried about this game, as OAK is in on the improve. In the past, we have lost a few games that should have been "cakewalks." This is not so much a slight on the Raiders as it is in my questioning the judgement in playing Bell at that point in the game (re-read my original post).

This is a discusssion forum, and that was my input.

[TheChamp24]

I will say, I thought the completion to Walker was going to be a touchdown, but Oakland did an EXCELLENT job converging on him and stuffing him, and he also twisted around weird that cost him a split second.
I don't mind the run by Bell.
What I do mind was the 1st down call. I believe that was a "fade" route pass? I forget, but I remember it didn't go so well. Wish there would've been a play action boot to get the pass to Graham, Marshall or Sapp in the open, because I feel Walker would be doubled down there. Pick up 4-6 yards most likely there, add another couple on a run, then we have 3rd and 2 on the 2ish yard line.
Also, what would anybody think if we start calling the QB draw play there?

[BucklandBronco]

Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

You can question the calls if you wish as an opinion but Mike Bell is not Jerry Lewis and we were running on them. If there was say 2:35 left in the game and just maybe we go for it on 4th and 2 to score the TD. We only had one timeout. With 21 seconds, easy call to go for the tie and win it at home. We will never know what Mike would have done if there was more time to put his defense at the goal line to stop them. Now, if you want to b****, do it in bigger terms like why we have a crap load of yards and not the score to match it? Start with 3 missed field goals in two games.

1. If you followed this crucial of the game (end of last quarter), we ran on them once, passed on them twice.

2. I'm saying that had we run on them--with determination--we would not have been facing 4th and 2 in the first place.

3. I did not question shanny's decision to go to OT, following the lack of success in that crucial last possession. I'm only questioning the events that led up to that agreed-up decision.

4. The "crapload of yards," but to no avail is valid. In a fair analysis, this goes way beyond the missed field goals, however. Luck plays a part of it, of course. I can name you three crucial penalties that made the difference in being 2 or 3 TD's ahead, or fighting for a W as "the comeback kid."

For example in the game against OAK, TWO TD's came back due to holding. One of them (Cutler's rushing TD) was a valid case in point; the other--"pass interference" in the end zone was nebulous, all things considered. Had the penalty not occurred, could have wound up in an interception.

Point is, you are right about the "crapload of yards." On paper, we should have handily won each of our two starters, had certain mistakes not been made.

Bigger picture is, I have great confidence in our playoff hopes for this year. We've won two games which we should have technically lost--because we at least had the wherewithal to be there in the end!

This is just analysis of football games, kids. Don't get bent out of shape in the process, and please don't misinterpret "b****iness" for just plain analysis.

Hey, is this a message board or what?

[broncocalijohn]

When I say b.i.t.ch as in to bit.c.h it isnt the same as b.it.chyness. You can b**** and not sound like my wife you know.

[ZONA]

It's game 2. I'm not gonna pannic. I know alot of people are saying we could easily be 0-2 and while that is true, if only a few plays turned out differently, we could have caked walked those 2 games and everybody would be saying how potent this offense is.

Me personally, I'd rather be able to move the ball and net almost 1000 yards of total offense in 2 games and work on the scoring TD's part rather then not being able to move the ball all that well and get a few lucky plays to be in the game. That might work for a game or two but being able to produce yards at will I think is a sure sign good things are to come.

Oh I know - but we've only played the Bills and Raiders. Who thought Cleveland was gonna put up 51 points? Each week is something new and you can never count your win before you have it, I don't care who the team is. Anybody can beat you. Likewise, don't throw in the towl against good teams before the game is played. I already hear on the radio we are gonna get creamed by Indy. Well I'm quite sure those same people thought Indy was goona creame the Titans also. They were LUCKY to win that game.

I have been guilty of that myself. Lesson learned. The Pats just crushed the Chargers so everybody now thinks they will given the Superbowl. Crown their ass? I don't think so.

[Vegas_Bronco]

All this pasty analysis will soon stale and blow away by mid season, we will be sooo in love with these Broncos that we'll be grasping for air...give these posters/guys a break its a new season and there is all kinds of excitement, let the threads continue and their thoughts unwind, it's good stuff. If you spend too much time focused on the past, there is no room for honing/mastering the future. It's Monday and I'm sure the Broncos watch film, grade their performances and learn, so too, the OM does the monday morning quarterbacking.

[chrisp]

Whilst the more hysterical posters around here were proclaiming that we would go 16-0 with Cutler having a 120.0 QB rating, the more reasonable amongst us were predicting a more modest year, where it might take the teanm more time to gel.

(if I'm honest I had my head in one camp and my heart in the other....)

Already the offense looks streets ahead of where it was last year, and is eating up the yardage like there is no tomorrow. Yet we aren't getting the points we deserve because it hasn't quite come together yet - cutler is still making some rookie mistakes and the receivers are all still learning about each other. The big thing here howver, is that while we are struggling, we are still getting it done and currently sit 2-0.

The thing about this team you see, is that whilst we may not be firing on all cylinders yet, we can only get better, and the obscene yardage totals from the first two games show that we're already pretty good.

Its coming down to a play or two here and there and we're leaving 7-10 points off the board each time. Wiht such a young team there is plenty of scope for that to improve.

Please also take time to consider all the changes on the offense:

Cutler's first full year in charge with a full playbook
At least 6-7 new starters on the offense
Many of the receivers being injured for large parts of camp

Yet we're still pretty good! We're just not all we could be right now.

Its really, really easy to be a great monday-morning coach......but people don't get paid for that. They get paid for getting it right on game day where there is noise, confusion and HUGE amount of information to process in a VERY short space of time.

I laugh my limey ass off when I hear all these guys sounding off about what plays they would have called last weekend. I would Loove to watch them go into meltdown if they were actually roaming the sidelines on Sunday (actually, i wouldn't love it if it were the Broncos sideline but you get the point...).

Bottom line is that this team is bursting with potential and only just beginning to realise what it is capable of. Yes we got the same results a year or two ago but those teams did not have anythign like the upside that this one does.

These wins are building team spirit, understanding and belief which will help to build a solid future.

[OrangeShadow]

Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded

i'm new here. where's the smilie icon where the smilie ties a rope around his neck and jumps off a stool because he has had it with these multiple horribly b****y threads posted here on the mane?

welcome to the mane man!

[Hulamau]

Originally Posted by chrisp

Whilst the more hysterical posters around here were proclaiming that we would go 16-0 with Cutler having a 120.0 QB rating, the more reasonable amongst us were predicting a more modest year, where it might take the teanm more time to gel.

(if I'm honest I had my head in one camp and my heart in the other....)

Already the offense looks streets ahead of where it was last year, and is eating up the yardage like there is no tomorrow. Yet we aren't getting the points we deserve because it hasn't quite come together yet - cutler is still making some rookie mistakes and the receivers are all still learning about each other. The big thing here howver, is that while we are struggling, we are still getting it done and currently sit 2-0.

The thing about this team you see, is that whilst we may not be firing on all cylinders yet, we can only get better, and the obscene yardage totals from the first two games show that we're already pretty good.

Its coming down to a play or two here and there and we're leaving 7-10 points off the board each time. Wiht such a young team there is plenty of scope for that to improve.

Please also take time to consider all the changes on the offense:

Cutler's first full year in charge with a full playbook
At least 6-7 new starters on the offense
Many of the receivers being injured for large parts of camp

Yet we're still pretty good! We're just not all we could be right now.

Its really, really easy to be a great monday-morning coach......but people don't get paid for that. They get paid for getting it right on game day where there is noise, confusion and HUGE amount of information to process in a VERY short space of time.

I laugh my limey ass off when I hear all these guys sounding off about what plays they would have called last weekend. I would Loove to watch them go into meltdown if they were actually roaming the sidelines on Sunday (actually, i wouldn't love it if it were the Broncos sideline but you get the point...).

Bottom line is that this team is bursting with potential and only just beginning to realise what it is capable of. Yes we got the same results a year or two ago but those teams did not have anythign like the upside that this one does.

These wins are building team spirit, understanding and belief which will help to build a solid future.

Great post!

[maher_tyler]

Originally Posted by chrisp

Whilst the more hysterical posters around here were proclaiming that we would go 16-0 with Cutler having a 120.0 QB rating, the more reasonable amongst us were predicting a more modest year, where it might take the teanm more time to gel.

(if I'm honest I had my head in one camp and my heart in the other....)

Already the offense looks streets ahead of where it was last year, and is eating up the yardage like there is no tomorrow. Yet we aren't getting the points we deserve because it hasn't quite come together yet - cutler is still making some rookie mistakes and the receivers are all still learning about each other. The big thing here howver, is that while we are struggling, we are still getting it done and currently sit 2-0.

The thing about this team you see, is that whilst we may not be firing on all cylinders yet, we can only get better, and the obscene yardage totals from the first two games show that we're already pretty good.

Its coming down to a play or two here and there and we're leaving 7-10 points off the board each time. Wiht such a young team there is plenty of scope for that to improve.

Please also take time to consider all the changes on the offense:

Cutler's first full year in charge with a full playbook
At least 6-7 new starters on the offense
Many of the receivers being injured for large parts of camp

Yet we're still pretty good! We're just not all we could be right now.

Its really, really easy to be a great monday-morning coach......but people don't get paid for that. They get paid for getting it right on game day where there is noise, confusion and HUGE amount of information to process in a VERY short space of time.

I laugh my limey ass off when I hear all these guys sounding off about what plays they would have called last weekend. I would Loove to watch them go into meltdown if they were actually roaming the sidelines on Sunday (actually, i wouldn't love it if it were the Broncos sideline but you get the point...).

Bottom line is that this team is bursting with potential and only just beginning to realise what it is capable of. Yes we got the same results a year or two ago but those teams did not have anythign like the upside that this one does.

These wins are building team spirit, understanding and belief which will help to build a solid future.

Nice post..couldn't agree more!!

[Rock Chalk]

We didnt have our best game. We still won. End Thread.

[Crushaholic]

As soon as Bell made his run, I knew we were just setting up for the game-tying field goal. I was OK with it. We had the home crowd on our side in OT.

[cmhargrove]

"I want a golden egg, and I want it now Daddy!"

[BucklandBronco]

Look guys, please don’t overreact to my original point here. Call it “b****y” if you must (but stop b****in’ over someone else’s b****in’ ), but I call it just a game time observation.

I’m very happy with the “W” (albeit a little guilty), and have great hopes—and confidence—in our season. I just think we were better than what went down in the final plays before OT. Moreover, don’t kid yourself—I can see that the Broncos are a lot better than what recent scores reflect. Matter of fact, I’m going out on a limb here and predicting a “W” for us at the RCA dome on Sept 30!

My main rub here was—and is—why put in Mike Bell at such a crucial point in the final drive?

Yep, sure, that is history now…but I just hope that doesn’t happen again in the future.

End of story.

[ward63]

Hm....2-0! i'll take that. Ugly wins are better than tough losses. I don't think the guys are worrying about how they barely beat the Raiders. I'm sure they're worried about Garrard and the Jags.

[cmhargrove]

Originally Posted by BucklandBronco

Look guys, please don’t overreact to my original point here. Call it “b****y” if you must (but stop b****in’ over someone else’s b****in’ ), but I call it just a game time observation.

I’m very happy with the “W” (albeit a little guilty), and have great hopes—and confidence—in our season. I just think we were better than what went down in the final plays before OT. Moreover, don’t kid yourself—I can see that the Broncos are a lot better than what recent scores reflect. Matter of fact, I’m going out on a limb here and predicting a “W” for us at the RCA dome on Sept 30!

My main rub here was—and is—why put in Mike Bell at such a crucial point in the final drive?

Yep, sure, that is history now…but I just hope that doesn’t happen again in the future.

End of story.

Just giving you a hard time.

Remember, Mike Bell was one of our starting backs last year - why shouldn't we trust him? I think the coaches will still try him from time to time because he has potential. But, he doesn't seem to be making the most of his opportunities. It was a fine call, poor execution.

[Broncomutt]

Originally Posted by BucklandBronco

LAST 3 MINUTES OF 4TH QUARTER…

1-10-OAK 10 (3:12) J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to J.Walker (N.Asomugha).
2-10-OAK 10 (3:07) M.Bell up the middle to OAK 7 for 3 yards (S.Williams; J.Richardson).
3-7-OAK 7 (2:28) (Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short left to J.Walker to OAK 2 for 5 yards (N.Asomugha, S.Schweigert).
4-2-OAK 2 (2:22) J.Elam 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-T.Sauerbrun.

Play #1 following a first down, leaving 3:12 on the clock, was a par move. Had the pass been completed, would have not only led to another 1st down, but could have culminated in a TD.

Play # 2: It’s now 2nd and 10, and you bring in Jerry Lewis as RB Sure, Henry had just run for 11, two plays before, and it was smart to rest him for this crucial run…but WHY MIKE BELL (Uh, what was wrong with Young… or Ceicle Sapp again, mebbe?)

Play # 3: OK, Jerry was good for 3 yards—WHOOP-DE-DOO! It’s now 3-7, and the Cutler-to-Walker completion for 5 yards could have sealed the deal, had the
RB delivered, the play before (or just have RUN the damn thang for the 1st down in the first place)!

Play # 4 was an OK call. Guess you don’t gamble the game on 4th and 2 if you don’t have that much confidence in your running game (where is Henry, after having a couple of minutes to catch his breath?). You just kick the damn field goal and hope for good fortune in OT.

Anyhow, it all ended up with a technical “win” for Denver. Thank the football gods for Shanny’s good fortune in calling that last-ditch timeout in OT, which did indeed “ice” the Oakie kicker. I guess that makes up for his poor judgment in playing one of last season’s UN-dynamic duo in the clutch—when it really, really counts!

You sure went through alot of typing just to say you don't like Bell.

Next time, just say so.

[Bladerunner]

Damn, I was beat to it...

I also boiled your little rant down to "I hate Mike Bell."

Brevity is a virtue.