Cutler must change his pre-delivery

[Stormontheplains]

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

[cmhargrove]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

You may be right, but #4 in the league ain't too shabby. And, that's with receivers that missed a lot of training camp. I don't want to overanalyze this one, i'm more in the "give him some time" camp. Cutler looks special, and has already improved his footwork from last year, I have little doubt he will want to address other problems as well.

[BroncoFiend]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

Hmmm, I'd love to here Shanny take on that. Too bad reporters are too busy asking about last second time outs and the Patriots controversy to get into anythin really juicy like this.

To me, Cutler has seemed pretty accurate (some slightly off due to timing issues, but that will come in time). I haven't really noticed to many sailing on him either, but I'm curious of how you see this progressing as the year moves along.

[Broncochica]

If you watch him during the game, He hardly ever looks loff his #1 reciever. If this keeps up, he is going to get picked offf alot more.

[BroncoFiend]

Originally Posted by broncochica*

If you watch him during the game, He hardly ever looks loff his #1 reciever. If this keeps up, he is going to get picked offf alot more.

I don't agree with you.

Although I have seen him hesitate an extra fraction on a couple of throws which helps the defenders get in better position.

Overall though I think he goes through his progressions very well.

[snowspot66]

They no doubt prioritized things, you can only hammer away at so much in a given amount of time.

[HEAV]

He still throws off the back foot at times. But the kid is still learning the role.

Plus let's face it this isn't Super Bowl or bust team. This is a playoff year team that needs to grow and learn.

But ya Jay-C has a few hang ups.

[BroncoFiend]

Originally Posted by HEAV

He still throws off the back foot at times. But the kid is still learning the role.

Plus let's face it this isn't Super Bowl or bust team. This is a playoff year team that needs to grow and learn.

But ya Jay-C has a few hang ups.

Favre has thrown off his back foot his entire career. I really don't expect Cutler to change that part of his game.

Hopefully when he has the space he will always step into his throws, but he has the arm strength to compesate for throwing off his back foot so why not do it when a guy is in his face?

[dbfan4life]

I think he needs to change the way he wears his helmet. I mean, he wears it too far forward it looks like he can barely see though the facemask. How's he supposed to complete a pass when he wears his helmet like a cholo wears a bandana.

[Vegas_Bronco]

If he steps into his throws, you'll see nothing but body parts on the other end. He really throws hard. I just want to see the mental lapses disappear... taking a sack for safety, throwing right at the defender after a low snap, etc.

All this happening and we are still winning - I'll take it!

[Willynowei]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Guys, I am disappointed in the fact that Shanny has not changed Jay's pre delivery mechanics. The reason he misses high or behind the receiver is the low hand placement. Watch closely and you will see 1 extra step taken to get the ball from below his pecs to the load position. Rule of thumb is when a QB has this movement, the front shoulder opens too quickly and the ball will sail high. If they would work him to death on keeping the ball in the load position his accuracy and timing would greatly increase, as well as you would see the slants and seems go for much more yardage. I guarantee you if he changes, he will be a great qb, much better than right now.

Good call.

But, doesn't that just hurt release time? assuming he brings the ball up first before continuing with the rest of the throwing motion.

In any case, he does sort of ****. the ball up before chucking it long.

[bpc]

I think they are focusing on the playbook more than mechanics at this time. Jay is in fight or flight mode a little bit sometimes in the game and I don't disagree with your assessment of his throwing motion. I think once he gets the playbook to slow down for him, they will go back in and clean up the overall product. Honestly though, I don't have any qualms about how he is doing throwing wise. He needs to get a half second quicker on his reads. I think that will greatly improve his ball placement. That comes with experience though.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by HEAV

He still throws off the back foot at times. But the kid is still learning the role.

Plus let's face it this isn't Super Bowl or bust team. This is a playoff year team that needs to grow and learn.

But ya Jay-C has a few hang ups.

He does throw off his back foot, but he has enough arm strength to make up for it. Its not like when Rex Grossman does it and the ball sails

[theAPAOps5]

He has a lot to learn I am sure we will see a lot of improvement towards the end of the year but especially after next offseason. He looks off the recievers a lot better than he did last year. Its not going to be pretty and we as fans have to be patient. Unfortunately some fans *cough* footsteps *cough* don't like ugly wins it has to be a blow out.

[Kaylore]

He completed 69% of his passes and converted half of our third downs. I wouldn't worry too much about his mechanics. He has 15 years to get his mechanics worked out and as it sits it looks like it isn't hurting him that bad. We're not in dire straits here.

[oubronco]

WOW ! the last time i looked he was playing in the NFL making millions can any of you ney sayers say the same thing ?

give the guy a break noones perfect !!

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by BroncoFiend

I don't agree with you.

Although I have seen him hesitate an extra fraction on a couple of throws which helps the defenders get in better position.

Overall though I think he goes through his progressions very well.

Against Buffalo he did, against Oakland he stared down almost every time he dropped back to pass. Against Buffalo he was superb at drawing the safeties off and looking off receivers. Really, it was like a 5 or 6 year vet against Buffalo.

[no-pseudo-fan]

I agree will Kaylore. He has some kinks to work out, but he has go nerve in the pocket, a rocket arm, and ice water in his veins.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

He does throw off his back foot, but he has enough arm strength to make up for it. Its not like when Rex Grossman does it and the ball sails

Most times, yes. But 2 of his 3 picks this year came from him throwing off his backfoot.

Considering that he is young, its probably best to get that **** trained otu of him now. I dont care how good your arm is, throwing off your back foot is NEVER a good idea.

When he gets his timing down with his receivers that he missed out on in training camp due to injuries, I think the behind and high passes will improve. Marshall and Walker both have made some outstanding tough catches because of the incorrect timing between them.

[theAPAOps5]

Originally Posted by oubronco

WOW ! the last time i looked he was playing in the NFL making millions can any of you ney sayers say the same thing ?

give the guy a break noones perfect !!

Obviously the point of a fan chat board is over your head. There are a lot knowledgable fans on here.

[Rock Chalk]

i dnt see why people get so mad about criticism of our team. WTF. This is a message board. We won twice but we have room for improvement everywhere. This is as good a place as any to discuss where and what needs to be improved as fans are prone to do.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Obviously the point of a fan chat board is over your head. There are a lot knowledgable fans on here.

i'm sure you could nitpick every QB in the HOF too but the fact is this only his seventh game as a pro lighten up

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Alec

Most times, yes. But 2 of his 3 picks this year came from him throwing off his backfoot.

Considering that he is young, its probably best to get that **** trained otu of him now. I dont care how good your arm is, throwing off your back foot is NEVER a good idea.

When he gets his timing down with his receivers that he missed out on in training camp due to injuries, I think the behind and high passes will improve. Marshall and Walker both have made some outstanding tough catches because of the incorrect timing between them.

He's thrown off his back foot because of he had pressure in his face. Sometimes you have to throw off your back foot in the NFL. I will say he needs to get better of stepping up into the rush and trusting the pocket. Savvy QB's wait that extra second and take the hit but throw off the plant foot. I would say since he has the arm strength, he can afford not to more than others, but trusting the pocket will help him out in the long run.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

He's thrown off his back foot because of he had pressure in his face. Sometimes you have to throw off your back foot in the NFL. I will say he needs to get better of stepping up into the rush and trusting the pocket. Savvy QB's wait that extra second and take the hit but throw off the plant foot. I would say since he has the arm strength, he can afford not to more than others, but trusting the pocket will help him out in the long run.

I agree. I hate the term he's throwing off his back foot and that you shouldn't do it. Should be if you can't throw off your back foot successfully you can't make in in the NFL.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

He's thrown off his back foot because of he had pressure in his face. Sometimes you have to throw off your back foot in the NFL. I will say he needs to get better of stepping up into the rush and trusting the pocket. Savvy QB's wait that extra second and take the hit but throw off the plant foot. I would say since he has the arm strength, he can afford not to more than others, but trusting the pocket will help him out in the long run.

Or, you take a sack like a veteran instead of throwing it up for grabs Kaylore. Sack is better than an interception everytime except on 4th down.

I agree he can afford to more often than less gifted QBs, doesnt make it a good idea though. Just means he will get away with it more. The risk factor of such throws is still too high to be risking it.

Again, his youth is the root of most of his problems and he will get it out of him, but for this year I think we will see more of that than any of us want to see.