Notes, Thoughts, and info on the Torrent - The Orange Mane

Rock Chalk · 09-16-2007, 11:11 PM

I thought Jay had a pretty average to below average game. Im telling you people, Shanahan needs to nip that idiot gene in the bud right now before it spreads. We are dangerously teetering with that other guy not John Elway territory. More interceptions than touchdowns....idiot play after idiot play...

Good thing he is young and learning. I hope he gets this **** settled down, its starting to make me nervous. Thankfully we have played two subpar teams so we can still squeek out the victories but the fact remains, neither team should ever have been in either game.

Javon Walker, Brandon Marshall and Brandon Stokely are one serious trifecta. Im so glad we have them all on our team. Travis Henry seems to be hit or miss. 1, 2, 2, 1, 12. Thats like Clinton Portis not Terrell Davis.

Our defense needs to get their run defense shored up quickly. We have some monster running backs to face yet, and Lamont freakin Jordan rushed all over us today. Moreover, we are the first freakin team to give up a 100 yard rushing game to a Raider back in our division for like 6 years or something. That my friends, is a concern.

Overall though, I do like how this team despite their flaws and mistakes and miscues and idiocy, are finding ways to win. When we do put it together, and we will, we are going to be smashingly good AND they have the experience to pull out victory from the jaws of defeat when the chips are down already.

DJ is improving but Nate Webster had a helluva game IMO. ALl I did was see that dude blow plays up, particularly in the first half. Did seem a little quiet in the second half, but then so did our whole defense sans Champ Bailey and Dre Bly who did both good and bad. He made up for his booboo/

Torrent is in the process of compiling but it may not go up tonight. If its not done by 11:30 or so, I probably wont put it up until tomorrow afternoon when I get off work.

wolf754life · 09-16-2007, 11:16 PM

I thought Shannahans play calling in the second half was atrocious, but Alec the fan boy would rather blame cutler than shanny. How about Matt Lepsis SOFT GENE? getting bull rushed right back into cutler on that int for TD? SHut up already about cutler, the kid is making all kinds of throws, bottom line is if #16 (hippie) in there we would be 0 and 2...............

Broncos123 · 09-16-2007, 11:23 PM

I thought Culter had an average game. Shanahan is still keeping the offence game plan simple with a few hot reads. Jay is getting it and we will be rolling into the endzone shortly. We are due for a breakkout game. Hey, why not next

Kaylore · 09-16-2007, 11:24 PM

I figured you'd rip on Cutler especially after your boy Young lost. Cutler had some mistakes but was money in the clutch, spread the ball around and played well when it counted. He's incredibly accurate. I think I got used to Plummer's poor accuracy because it's so nice to see balls fly downfield and hit players in the hands.

theAPAOps5 · 09-16-2007, 11:27 PM

Wrong game Alec, sorry bud but the one with the idiot gene today was your man crush Young. You won't see Cutler losing his cool and getting an unsportsmanlike. I agree he played average but the idiot plays were fewer than last week, a lot fewer.

broncogary · 09-16-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I figured you'd rip on Cutler especially after your boy Young lost. Cutler had some mistakes but was money in the clutch, spread the ball around and played well when it counted. He's incredibly accurate. I think I got used to Plummer's poor accuracy because it's so nice to see balls fly downfield and hit players in the hands.

Apparently VY forgot to will the Titans to victory, while JC willed Janikowski to miss in OT. Our guy is learning.

theAPAOps5 · 09-16-2007, 11:34 PM

How money was that T.O. call though bgary!! And Alec I agree on everything else you said I just think the idiot gene isn't as prevalent as you think. Now he absolutely needs to fix some bad habits but the dude has played 7 games now. He deserves some patience.

broncogary · 09-16-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

How money was that T.O. call though bgary!! And Alec I agree on everything else you said I just think the idiot gene isn't as prevalent as you think. Now he absolutely needs to fix some bad habits but the dude has played 7 games now. He deserves some patience.

Cutler willed that TO call.

theAPAOps5 · 09-16-2007, 11:41 PM

Nah he hasn't learned that will power yet. That was all coach.

listopencil · 09-16-2007, 11:52 PM

The pick6 was tipped at the LOS. He shares the blame with the O-Line. The other INT was all Cutler. I don't think he ever saw the defender, a LB I believe. He also missed some receivers for first downs when they were quite open because he was looking farther downfield. It just shows you that he isn't seeing the whole field right now. I'm hoping his vision will improve. The running offense and the run defense concerns me more.

theAPAOps5 · 09-16-2007, 11:53 PM

I also forgot about Vince Youngs brilliant laterall to his O-Line man there at the end. Pure Genius right there!!!!!

Rookies have that idiot gene there is nothing one can do about it.

stugotsII · 09-16-2007, 11:56 PM

Ummm, the last time I checked...at of 11:57pm EST...

THE BRONCOS ARE 2-0.

THAT IS THE ONLY STATISTIC THAT MATTERS.

bpc · 09-17-2007, 12:02 AM

This thread is comedy. Jay completed over 66% of his passes against one of the best DB/DL units in the league. He almost threw for another 300yd game.

Does he have some rough areas to work on? Yes. I feel like he is consistently about .5-1 second off of his primary to secondary read. When that happens, he will usually throw it behind or above his target rushing to get his pacing back down on that certain play. He also got bit on one of his INT's because he delayed just a second on a medium post route and the safety rolled over on it.

Now I do think Mike Shanahan is throwing off our normal play calling routine to get Cutler up to speed which is both going to hurt him in the short term, help him in the long term because of experience but he is going to make some mistakes, INT's, ect. Just be prepared for it.

We really can't complain though, he is now 4-3 as a starter, 11 td's, 8 INT's.
Not bad for being a 7 game starter.

stugotsII · 09-17-2007, 12:20 AM

12:23pm est and Denver is still 2-0.

bpc · 09-17-2007, 12:39 AM

Reasons to be excited if your a bronco fan?

We are 2-0 going into a very important stretch in which we will play Jacksonville, @Indy, SD and Pittsburgh. That stretch of games will go a long way in determining if we can make the playoffs this year. We have started off well.

Cutler is third in the league in passing yards behind Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer. Not bad company. He trails Manning by only 27 yards.

Travis Henry leads the NFL in rushing.

Javon is tied for the league lead in receptions through two weeks with 17 receptions. He is 5th in receiving yards.

Elvis Dumervil is now tied for 3rd in the league for sacks with 2 sacks.

Both of our CB's have recorded an INT this season.

We are first in yards per game on offense with 455yds. We are 5th in passing yards, at 279.5 yds per game. We are 4th in rushing offense with 179 per game.

On defense we are 2nd in the NFL in yards per game at 218.5. We have held two straight QB's under 100yds passing... i couldn't tell you the last time that was done in the NFL. We are 1st giving up 62.5 yds passing a game.

Finally, WE ARE IN 1st PLACE in the AFC WEST!

There you go, far from perfect but lots of things to be happy about it...

Just something for you number crunchers:

Cutler is on pace to throw for 4500yds this season.

Henry is on pace to rush for 2136 yds.

Javon Walker is on pace to bring in 1760 rec. yards.

Brandon Marshall is on pace for 1076 rec. yards.

Brandon Stokely is on pace for 864 yds.

Taco John · 09-17-2007, 01:00 AM

Hey Alec, how did your boyfriend do today? Was he able to get off the couch without spraining his knee?

Dagmar · 09-17-2007, 01:01 AM

If Alec starts a thread it will always be a classic. My vote for Mane MVP every day of the week.

Rock Chalk · 09-17-2007, 08:36 AM

I wasnt ripping on Cutler. Anyone here disagree that he was very average today? Anyone here disagree that he is "young and learning"? Anyone here disagree that he had some idiot moments? Anyone here think that Cutler is the reason that the Raiders almost won that game? What part of the one sentence that I talked about Cutler was ripping on him?

You people think that just because I dont exalt Cutler as a God, that I dont glorify his excrement as a Holy Relic that I hate him and want to bag on him. No. I criticize him the same as I do anything else. Cutler yesterday almost cost us the game by being an idiot. He is young and learning (which I menationed), I expect that but the pattern of making really stupid plays when there is no need is concerning.

As for being a Vince Young fanboy, so what. What the **** does that have to do with this thread? Honestly, you people are retarded. You want someone bagging on Cutler, go read crazyhorses thread comparing him to Plummer. Go rip on the ****ing Chief troll. Dont rip on the guy just pointing out Cutler's mistakes.

Torrent is finished by the way, but because you people are **** nuts and clearly cannot read or have reading comprehension issues, Im not posting it.

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-17-2007, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alec

I wasnt ripping on Cutler. Anyone here disagree that he was very average today? Anyone here disagree that he is "young and learning"? Anyone here disagree that he had some idiot moments? Anyone here think that Cutler is the reason that the Raiders almost won that game? What part of the one sentence that I talked about Cutler was ripping on him?

You people think that just because I dont exalt Cutler as a God, that I dont glorify his excrement as a Holy Relic that I hate him and want to bag on him. No. I criticize him the same as I do anything else. Cutler yesterday almost cost us the game by being an idiot. He is young and learning (which I menationed), I expect that but the pattern of making really stupid plays when there is no need is concerning.

As for being a Vince Young fanboy, so what. What the **** does that have to do with this thread? Honestly, you people are retarded. You want someone bagging on Cutler, go read crazyhorses thread comparing him to Plummer. Go rip on the ****ing Chief troll. Dont rip on the guy just pointing out Cutler's mistakes.

Torrent is finished by the way, but because you people are **** nuts and clearly cannot read or have reading comprehension issues, Im not posting it.

Another whiny little b*tch from Texas that got his feelings hurt. What is it about this state and you pretender Bronco fans?

eddie mac · 09-17-2007, 08:55 AM

He certainly wasn't perfect yesterday and he made some mistakes which cost us bigtime but my main concern has already been pointed out in Alec's initial post.

Our run D sucks and it is going to be crucified in upcoming weeks unless Bates can get something from the weakest interior line in football. If you put 7-8 in the box and cant stop Lamont Jordan then whenever we play against a team with an average or better QB we better put 30 pts on the board ourselves to have a chance.

HitEmCold · 09-17-2007, 09:00 AM

I'd like to see our linebackers wrap up when they tackle. Webster is the best tackler out of the three. DJ and Gold miss 2 out of three tackles. They are usually there in the gap and hit the back, only to not wrap up and watch the back gain another 7 yards.

theAPAOps5 · 09-17-2007, 09:10 AM

Ah Alec don't get upset I just don't think he is making as many idiot plays as you elude to. He is making rookie mistakes. Its idiot when he is a ten year vet.

fontaine · 09-17-2007, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I figured you'd rip on Cutler especially after your boy Young lost. Cutler had some mistakes but was money in the clutch, spread the ball around and played well when it counted. He's incredibly accurate. I think I got used to Plummer's poor accuracy because it's so nice to see balls fly downfield and hit players in the hands.

You said it. On that last play in OT before the FG that pretty much guaranteed the win and got us in the red zone (pass to Marshall), Cutler was absolutely clutch.

Marshall was the third read on that play!

How many other young QBs, starting just their 7th game, in a make or break play, step back in the pocket and calmy make it to their third read?

We just went through a QB that could barely read half the field. This kid has shown more passing ability in the last couple of games that we've seen in Denver in a long, long time.

Whine about the rookie mistakes if he's in this third/fourth year and still screwing up.

In the meantime, enjoy the ride.

dbfan4life · 09-17-2007, 10:38 AM

Jay made some mistakes - yes, we all know that. His poise with the game on the line is very impressive. Two weeks in a row and two game winning drives. I'll take that week after week. I'm more concerned with the run defense. We were stacking the line, daring McCown to beat us with his arm, and we still got run over.

Broncoman13 · 09-17-2007, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontaine

Marshall was the third read on that play!

How many other young QBs, starting just their 7th game, in a make or break play, step back in the pocket and calmy make it to their third read?

Umm, you do realize that he was rolling out right?

Cutler was far from good against the Faid. He was very inconsistent. Hot, cold, hot, cold... HOT WHEN IT COUNTED IN OT!

Ruck the Faiders!

GO BRONCOS!

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09-16-2007, 11:11 PM	#1
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Notes, Thoughts, and info on the Torrent I thought Jay had a pretty average to below average game. Im telling you people, Shanahan needs to nip that idiot gene in the bud right now before it spreads. We are dangerously teetering with that other guy not John Elway territory. More interceptions than touchdowns....idiot play after idiot play... Good thing he is young and learning. I hope he gets this **** settled down, its starting to make me nervous. Thankfully we have played two subpar teams so we can still squeek out the victories but the fact remains, neither team should ever have been in either game. Javon Walker, Brandon Marshall and Brandon Stokely are one serious trifecta. Im so glad we have them all on our team. Travis Henry seems to be hit or miss. 1, 2, 2, 1, 12. Thats like Clinton Portis not Terrell Davis. Our defense needs to get their run defense shored up quickly. We have some monster running backs to face yet, and Lamont freakin Jordan rushed all over us today. Moreover, we are the first freakin team to give up a 100 yard rushing game to a Raider back in our division for like 6 years or something. That my friends, is a concern. Overall though, I do like how this team despite their flaws and mistakes and miscues and idiocy, are finding ways to win. When we do put it together, and we will, we are going to be smashingly good AND they have the experience to pull out victory from the jaws of defeat when the chips are down already. DJ is improving but Nate Webster had a helluva game IMO. ALl I did was see that dude blow plays up, particularly in the first half. Did seem a little quiet in the second half, but then so did our whole defense sans Champ Bailey and Dre Bly who did both good and bad. He made up for his booboo/ Torrent is in the process of compiling but it may not go up tonight. If its not done by 11:30 or so, I probably wont put it up until tomorrow afternoon when I get off work.

09-16-2007, 11:16 PM	#2
wolf754life Bleed Orange and Blue more scoring + more tackling = $$$ Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,776	I thought Shannahans play calling in the second half was atrocious, but Alec the fan boy would rather blame cutler than shanny. How about Matt Lepsis SOFT GENE? getting bull rushed right back into cutler on that int for TD? SHut up already about cutler, the kid is making all kinds of throws, bottom line is if #16 (hippie) in there we would be 0 and 2...............

09-16-2007, 11:23 PM	#3
Broncos123 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Burlington, Ontario Posts: 850	I thought Culter had an average game. Shanahan is still keeping the offence game plan simple with a few hot reads. Jay is getting it and we will be rolling into the endzone shortly. We are due for a breakkout game. Hey, why not next

09-16-2007, 11:24 PM	#4
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,019 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I figured you'd rip on Cutler especially after your boy Young lost. Cutler had some mistakes but was money in the clutch, spread the ball around and played well when it counted. He's incredibly accurate. I think I got used to Plummer's poor accuracy because it's so nice to see balls fly downfield and hit players in the hands.

09-16-2007, 11:27 PM	#5
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Wrong game Alec, sorry bud but the one with the idiot gene today was your man crush Young. You won't see Cutler losing his cool and getting an unsportsmanlike. I agree he played average but the idiot plays were fewer than last week, a lot fewer.

09-16-2007, 11:34 PM	#7
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	How money was that T.O. call though bgary!! And Alec I agree on everything else you said I just think the idiot gene isn't as prevalent as you think. Now he absolutely needs to fix some bad habits but the dude has played 7 games now. He deserves some patience.

09-16-2007, 11:41 PM	#9
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Nah he hasn't learned that will power yet. That was all coach.

09-16-2007, 11:52 PM	#10
listopencil [sarcasm]text[/sarcasm] BOOM! Winner. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The People's Republic Of California Posts: 8,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Broncos FO	The pick6 was tipped at the LOS. He shares the blame with the O-Line. The other INT was all Cutler. I don't think he ever saw the defender, a LB I believe. He also missed some receivers for first downs when they were quite open because he was looking farther downfield. It just shows you that he isn't seeing the whole field right now. I'm hoping his vision will improve. The running offense and the run defense concerns me more.

09-16-2007, 11:53 PM	#11
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	I also forgot about Vince Youngs brilliant laterall to his O-Line man there at the end. Pure Genius right there!!!!! Rookies have that idiot gene there is nothing one can do about it.

09-16-2007, 11:56 PM	#12
stugotsII Al Davis is gay Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 711	Ummm, the last time I checked...at of 11:57pm EST... THE BRONCOS ARE 2-0. THAT IS THE ONLY STATISTIC THAT MATTERS.

09-17-2007, 12:02 AM	#13
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,568 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	This thread is comedy. Jay completed over 66% of his passes against one of the best DB/DL units in the league. He almost threw for another 300yd game. Does he have some rough areas to work on? Yes. I feel like he is consistently about .5-1 second off of his primary to secondary read. When that happens, he will usually throw it behind or above his target rushing to get his pacing back down on that certain play. He also got bit on one of his INT's because he delayed just a second on a medium post route and the safety rolled over on it. Now I do think Mike Shanahan is throwing off our normal play calling routine to get Cutler up to speed which is both going to hurt him in the short term, help him in the long term because of experience but he is going to make some mistakes, INT's, ect. Just be prepared for it. We really can't complain though, he is now 4-3 as a starter, 11 td's, 8 INT's. Not bad for being a 7 game starter.

09-17-2007, 12:20 AM	#14
stugotsII Al Davis is gay Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 711	12:23pm est and Denver is still 2-0.

09-17-2007, 12:39 AM	#15
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,568 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Reasons to be excited if your a bronco fan? We are 2-0 going into a very important stretch in which we will play Jacksonville, @Indy, SD and Pittsburgh. That stretch of games will go a long way in determining if we can make the playoffs this year. We have started off well. Cutler is third in the league in passing yards behind Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer. Not bad company. He trails Manning by only 27 yards. Travis Henry leads the NFL in rushing. Javon is tied for the league lead in receptions through two weeks with 17 receptions. He is 5th in receiving yards. Elvis Dumervil is now tied for 3rd in the league for sacks with 2 sacks. Both of our CB's have recorded an INT this season. We are first in yards per game on offense with 455yds. We are 5th in passing yards, at 279.5 yds per game. We are 4th in rushing offense with 179 per game. On defense we are 2nd in the NFL in yards per game at 218.5. We have held two straight QB's under 100yds passing... i couldn't tell you the last time that was done in the NFL. We are 1st giving up 62.5 yds passing a game. Finally, WE ARE IN 1st PLACE in the AFC WEST! There you go, far from perfect but lots of things to be happy about it... Just something for you number crunchers: Cutler is on pace to throw for 4500yds this season. Henry is on pace to rush for 2136 yds. Javon Walker is on pace to bring in 1760 rec. yards. Brandon Marshall is on pace for 1076 rec. yards. Brandon Stokely is on pace for 864 yds.

09-17-2007, 01:00 AM	#16
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Hey Alec, how did your boyfriend do today? Was he able to get off the couch without spraining his knee?

09-17-2007, 01:01 AM	#17
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	If Alec starts a thread it will always be a classic. My vote for Mane MVP every day of the week.

09-17-2007, 08:36 AM	#18
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I wasnt ripping on Cutler. Anyone here disagree that he was very average today? Anyone here disagree that he is "young and learning"? Anyone here disagree that he had some idiot moments? Anyone here think that Cutler is the reason that the Raiders almost won that game? What part of the one sentence that I talked about Cutler was ripping on him? You people think that just because I dont exalt Cutler as a God, that I dont glorify his excrement as a Holy Relic that I hate him and want to bag on him. No. I criticize him the same as I do anything else. Cutler yesterday almost cost us the game by being an idiot. He is young and learning (which I menationed), I expect that but the pattern of making really stupid plays when there is no need is concerning. As for being a Vince Young fanboy, so what. What the ** does that have to do with this thread? Honestly, you people are retarded. You want someone bagging on Cutler, go read crazyhorses thread comparing him to Plummer. Go rip on the ing Chief troll. Dont rip on the guy just pointing out Cutler's mistakes. Torrent is finished by the way, but because you people are ** nuts and clearly cannot read or have reading comprehension issues, Im not posting it.

09-17-2007, 08:55 AM	#20
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,572 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	He certainly wasn't perfect yesterday and he made some mistakes which cost us bigtime but my main concern has already been pointed out in Alec's initial post. Our run D sucks and it is going to be crucified in upcoming weeks unless Bates can get something from the weakest interior line in football. If you put 7-8 in the box and cant stop Lamont Jordan then whenever we play against a team with an average or better QB we better put 30 pts on the board ourselves to have a chance.

09-17-2007, 09:00 AM	#21
HitEmCold Gold sucks, I know...now! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ky Posts: 199 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	I'd like to see our linebackers wrap up when they tackle. Webster is the best tackler out of the three. DJ and Gold miss 2 out of three tackles. They are usually there in the gap and hit the back, only to not wrap up and watch the back gain another 7 yards.

09-17-2007, 09:10 AM	#22
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Ah Alec don't get upset I just don't think he is making as many idiot plays as you elude to. He is making rookie mistakes. Its idiot when he is a ten year vet.

09-17-2007, 10:38 AM	#24
dbfan4life Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 2,499	Jay made some mistakes - yes, we all know that. His poise with the game on the line is very impressive. Two weeks in a row and two game winning drives. I'll take that week after week. I'm more concerned with the run defense. We were stacking the line, daring McCown to beat us with his arm, and we still got run over.