Mike Bell vs. Marion Barber: The Jury is In - The Orange Mane

BroncoBuff · 09-10-2007, 03:37 AM

I can't find the darned thread ... but guys were having an animated argument Mike Bell vs. Marion Barber last week. Well, the jury is in, after Sunday Night Football ran the following 2006 stat tonight:

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On 3rd and 4th downs - with 2 or less yards to go, Marion Barber was LAST IN THE LEAGUE in conversion rate among running backs, at less than 50% (minimum 10 attempts).

Whoever was arguing for Marion Barber can be forgiven - like the rest of the world - for having stars in their eyes when they see that Cowboys helmet. Always remember - as a general rule: BRONCO RB > OTHER RBs

kmartin575 · 09-10-2007, 10:36 AM

Mike Bell has been switched to fullback and lost his backup job to an undrafted rookie.

'nuff said.

theAPAOps5 · 09-10-2007, 10:40 AM

Chiefs scored 3 points, **** off.

Dr. Broncenstein · 09-10-2007, 11:26 AM

I'd take Barber in a hot minute over Mike Bell.

bronco militia · 09-10-2007, 11:31 AM

uh what?

Barber should starting over Jones.

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-10-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I can't find the darned thread ... but guys were having an animated argument Mike Bell vs. Marion Barber last week. Well, the jury is in, after Sunday Night Football ran the following 2006 stat tonight:

Yeah but did you watch the game? I'd take Barber over Bell in a heartbeat. He''d be a TD machine on our team.

-Slap- · 09-10-2007, 01:31 PM

Drawing conclusions from small sample sizes is rarely a good idea. Steven Jackson was only one for seven on goal line carries from the one yard line last year.

-Slap- · 09-10-2007, 01:32 PM

I'll tell you this much about Dallas. The Cowboys are going to get flat out destroyed by any decent passing attack with a couple undersized linebackers like Roy Williams and Ken Hamlin playing together at the safety spots. Neither one of these guys could cover a baby with a blanket.

Wade Phillips was able to sort of get away with a Steve Atwater/Dennis Smith safety tandem during his tenure in Denver, but those guys were both All Pros and savvy veterans. Also, the rule enforcement back then allowed you to hide weak cover men a little more easily.

It's not going to work like that for Wade in Dallas. They'll obviously fare better when Terence Newman returns at cornerback, but he and Anthony Henry better get used to late arriving help all season long.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-10-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I can't find the darned thread ... but guys were having an animated argument Mike Bell vs. Marion Barber last week.

Here you go...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...er#post1698368

kmartin575 · 09-10-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Chiefs scored 3 points, **** off.

And what does that have to do with this argument? Absolutely nothing.

Requiem · 09-10-2007, 03:08 PM

When the Broncos took Maurice Clarett over Marion Barber III, I was absolutely stunned. The kid was a perfect fit for this system, and had the potential to possibly be a franchise back here. Dallas got a steal with him.

Dr. Broncenstein · 09-10-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

When the Broncos took Maurice Clarett ~~over Marion Barber III,~~ I was absolutely stunned. ~~The kid was a perfect fit for this system, and had the potential to possibly be a franchise back here. Dallas got a steal with him.~~

Much better

azbroncfan · 09-10-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I can't find the darned thread ... but guys were having an animated argument Mike Bell vs. Marion Barber last week. Well, the jury is in, after Sunday Night Football ran the following 2006 stat tonight:

Whoever was arguing for Marion Barber can be forgiven - like the rest of the world - for having stars in their eyes when they see that Cowboys helmet. Always remember - as a general rule: BRONCO RB > OTHER RBs

Marion Barber vs Mike Bell isn't even a discussion. Bell is barely in the NFL and Barber is battling for the starting spot. I'm not going to argue about it anymore because arguing with Footsteps is like trying to tell Bob what sex is like.

Hercules Rockefeller · 09-10-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Marion Barber vs Mike Bell isn't even a discussion. Bell is barely in the NFL and Barber is battling for the starting spot. I'm not going to argue about it anymore because arguing with Footsteps is like trying to tell Bob what sex is like.

Exactly.

There never was a jury, Marion won this on a motion for summary judgment.

BroncoBuff · 09-10-2007, 06:21 PM

The stats from last year ... especially with this added stat, would seem to favor Bell, AZ.

And Slap is right about small sample sizes. I think Barber was 10/20 (50%) on <2 yards 3rd & 4th downs. "Last in the League" sounds pretty bad ... but at minimum 10 attempts to qualify for the ranking, I wonder just how many backs are ranked there.

BroncoBuff · 09-10-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Exactly.

There never was a jury, Marion won this on a motion for summary judgment.

In the first place, Footsteps is one of the top debaters on the board - if you forget the fact he takes unpopular positions pretty often. And in the second place, although I don't have time now to fetch them, I recall Bell's stats last year were better than Barbers both qualitatively and quantitatively.

I certainly understand the rush to make your MSJ, counsel (motion for summary judgment), but we have a bit more discovery to do before the bench rules. Ruling continued ....

azbroncfan · 09-10-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I recall Bell's stats last year were better than Barbers both qualitatively and quantitatively.

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Barber

135 carries 654 yds 4.8 avg 25 lg 14td 46fd 0 fumbles

Bell

157 carries 677 yds 4.3 avg 48 lg 8td 40fd 1 fumbles

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-10-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Barber

135 carries 654 yds 4.8 avg 25 lg 14td 46fd 0 fumbles

Bell

157 carries 677 yds 4.3 avg 48 lg 8td 40fd 1 fumbles

Tatum Bell had better stats than Barber...see how that game works?

Barber played with the 4th highest scoring offense in the league and they were 5th in total offense...TO...Glenn...Witten...Bell got to play with Jake Plummer and a team with 1 1/2 receivers and no tight ends. Add to that the fact that he was a rookie, so your stat for stat comparison doesn't quite work.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-10-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

I'm not going to argue about it anymore because arguing with Footsteps is like trying to tell Bob what sex is like.

Frustrating aint it?

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-10-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

In the first place, Footsteps is one of the top debaters on the board - if you forget the fact he takes unpopular positions pretty often.

Thanks counselor.

azbroncfan · 09-11-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Tatum Bell had better stats than Barber...see how that game works?

Barber played with the 4th highest scoring offense in the league and they were 5th in total offense...TO...Glenn...Witten...Bell got to play with Jake Plummer and a team with 1 1/2 receivers and no tight ends. Add to that the fact that he was a rookie, so your stat for stat comparison doesn't quite work.

What about the FACT that Mike Bell is even lucky to be on the team and is a ST's player where Barber is going to cause a controversy in Dallas soon. How do you explain that? Obviously Shanny doesn't think as highly about Mike Bell as you do.

azbroncfan · 09-11-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Tatum Bell had better stats than Barber...see how that game works?

No he got more carries and had just over a 1000 yds with a 4.4 average 2TDs and 5 FUMBLES.
Try again.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-11-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

What about the FACT that Mike Bell is even lucky to be on the team and is a ST's player where Barber is going to cause a controversy in Dallas soon. How do you explain that? Obviously Shanny doesn't think as highly about Mike Bell as you do.

Eh...he's had 3 years to beat out Julius Jones and hasn't done so...do you have some inside info that says he's "about to cause a controversy" here? They seem quite content to let hiim be the goal line guy. Bell DID cause a controversy his rookie year...and how do you figure he's "lucky to be on a team"? He earned his spot here just like everyone else.

As for him playing special teams, what does that prove? Shanny thinks he looks better at fullback?...he thought so about Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns too.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-11-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

No he got more carries and had just over a 1000 yds with a 4.4 average 2TDs and 5 FUMBLES.
Try again.

No...that was last year when we had holes in the O-line and Jake playing QB who couldn't keep defenses honest. Barber's career average is 4.4 ypc...Tatum's is 4.9. In 2004 Barber got a measley 3.9 ypc and also fumbled 3 times himself...Tatum had a 5.3 ypc. the same year. Bell was also obviously playing in a system here that didn't suit his talents. It remains to be seen whether he's better in Detroit but both these guys have been largely change of pace backs and Bell's been more productive than Barber on balance.

Steve Sewell · 09-11-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kmartin575

And what does that have to do with this argument? Absolutely nothing.

Scoreboard always gives one the right to tell another to **** off...you've been posting on this forum for long enough to know that.

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09-10-2007, 10:36 AM	#2
kmartin575 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 886	Mike Bell has been switched to fullback and lost his backup job to an undrafted rookie. 'nuff said.

09-10-2007, 10:40 AM	#3
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Chiefs scored 3 points, **** off.

09-10-2007, 11:26 AM	#4
Dr. Broncenstein Overdriven Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,619 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	I'd take Barber in a hot minute over Mike Bell.

09-10-2007, 11:31 AM	#5
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,590	uh what? Barber should starting over Jones.

09-10-2007, 01:31 PM	#7
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Drawing conclusions from small sample sizes is rarely a good idea. Steven Jackson was only one for seven on goal line carries from the one yard line last year.

09-10-2007, 01:32 PM	#8
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	I'll tell you this much about Dallas. The Cowboys are going to get flat out destroyed by any decent passing attack with a couple undersized linebackers like Roy Williams and Ken Hamlin playing together at the safety spots. Neither one of these guys could cover a baby with a blanket. Wade Phillips was able to sort of get away with a Steve Atwater/Dennis Smith safety tandem during his tenure in Denver, but those guys were both All Pros and savvy veterans. Also, the rule enforcement back then allowed you to hide weak cover men a little more easily. It's not going to work like that for Wade in Dallas. They'll obviously fare better when Terence Newman returns at cornerback, but he and Anthony Henry better get used to late arriving help all season long.

09-10-2007, 03:08 PM	#11
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,567 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	When the Broncos took Maurice Clarett over Marion Barber III, I was absolutely stunned. The kid was a perfect fit for this system, and had the potential to possibly be a franchise back here. Dallas got a steal with him.

09-10-2007, 06:21 PM	#15
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	The stats from last year ... especially with this added stat, would seem to favor Bell, AZ. And Slap is right about small sample sizes. I think Barber was 10/20 (50%) on <2 yards 3rd & 4th downs. "Last in the League" sounds pretty bad ... but at minimum 10 attempts to qualify for the ranking, I wonder just how many backs are ranked there.