How Osama bin Laden Escaped death 4 times after 9/11

[W*GS]

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/mir090907.htm

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How Bush let Osama slip away

Osama bin Laden sat with a group of top aides in mountainous Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan. Outside, it was blustery and bitterly cold but inside the cave complex, where bin Laden had sought his final refuge from the American war bin Laden munched on olives and sipped sugary mint tea. Osama appeared to be supremely confident.

As the last major battle of the war in Afghanistan began, hidden from view inside the caves were an estimated 1,500 to 2,000 well-trained, well-armed men. A mile below, at the base of the caves, some three dozen U.S. Special Forces troops fanned out. They were the only ground forces that senior American military leaders had committed to the Tora Bora campaign.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/ma...erland&emc=rss

Three dozen men? Bush wanted Osama real bad, didn't he?

Document: Bin Laden Evaded U.S. Forces

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON - A terror suspect held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was a commander for Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (news - web sites) in the 1980s and helped the al-Qaida leader escape his mountain hide-out at Tora Bora in 2001, according to a U.S. government document.

The document, provided to The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Information request, says the unidentified detainee "assisted in the escape of Osama bin Laden from Tora Bora." It is the first definitive statement from the Pentagon (news - web sites) that bin Laden was at Tora Bora and evaded U.S. pursuers.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...en_afghanistan

U.S. Concludes Bin Laden Escaped at Tora Bora

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

The Bush administration has concluded that Osama bin Laden was present during the battle for Tora Bora [in 2001] and that failure to commit U.S. ground troops to hunt him was its gravest error in the war against al Qaeda, according to civilian and military officials with first-hand knowledge.

Intelligence officials have assembled what they believe to be decisive evidence, from contemporary and subsequent interrogations and intercepted communications that bin Laden began the battle of Tora Bora inside the cave complex along Afghanistan's mountainous eastern border. Though there remains a remote chance that he died there, the intelligence community is persuaded that bin Laden slipped away in the first 10 days of December.

New Book by CIA Field Commander: Bin Laden Could Have Been Caught

The CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora, Gary Berntsen, has finally got approval to publish his book, which will hit the streets on December 27, 2005. The CIA has sat on the book for more than a year and tried to stop its publication. Although the book is not intended as a criticism of President Bush, it will land another body blow to the beleaguered Bush Presidency. Bernsten's key point in the book is his testimony that he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden was among the hundreds of fleeing Al Qaeda and Taliban members. According to NEWSWEEK, "Berntsen says he had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora--intelligence operatives had tracked him--and could have been caught. He was there."

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/22/221011/01

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[ant1999e]

Do you guys really want to go there (clinton)?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Do you guys really want to go there (clinton)?

Translation: "Don't make me reach into my bag of Fox News propaganda that's already been debunked a gazillion times."

[W*GS]

Some additional comments by Gary Berntsen:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...25/acd.01.html

COOPER: More now on the reality of the hunt for Osama bin Laden during the Clinton administration. As we showed you before the break, over the weekend on FOX News, former President Clinton defended his efforts to kill the most wanted terrorist.

We're joined now by a man who's familiar with the hunt for bin Laden, Gary Berntsen, a former CIA commander and the author of the book, "Jawbreaker." Berntsen was at Tora Bora, and that's what "Jawbreaker's" about, in 2001 when the Bush administration failed to capture bin Laden.

Thanks for being with us. You worked in the CIA under President Clinton and under President Bush. What was the difference?

GARY BERNTSEN, FORMER CIA COMMANDER: Well, first of all, the Clinton administration, two terms. First term, the problem was the Clinton administration reduced the directive of operations by 25 percent.

COOPER: That's the clandestine branch, paramilitary branch.

BERNTSEN: Right. And that was unhelpful when they did that. But in the second term, George Tenet ascends, becomes the director. And we undertook a very aggressive policy of doing disruptions around the world. We were destroying terrorist infrastructure in a lot of places. That's '96, '97, '98. And this is against groups like Hezbollah, some al Qaeda, some other groups.

The problem is after the attacks in east Africa in 1998, in August, we can see, now we have a strategic problem with al Qaeda. The problem was, the Clinton administration didn't want to make that jump. They didn't want to go into Afghanistan with boots on the ground or into Somalia. They didn't want to do that harder part of it.

Tactically, we made a lot of progress, and a lot of groups were destroyed, you know, during that period of time. Smaller terrorist groups around the world, which presented a significant threat, but you know, now that they're gone.

COOPER: Conservatives have been critical of President Bush (sic) for not responding to the USS Cole attacks. His response is, "Look, it's wasn't confirmed to be al Qaeda until -- until after my administration was over."

But what -- from my reading of the history of Osama bin Laden in most recent books is that he looked at the operation in Somalia and the pull out of U.S. forces there as really a sign that the U.S. was not willing to take casualties.

BERNTSEN: He witnessed, too, when he saw the missiles fired at him in Afghanistan after -- in August, he believed we were afraid to put troops on the ground. When we put troops on the ground in 2001, he was in shock, because he had come to believe that the United States was unwilling to fight and defend itself and sacrifice its own lives to do that.

COOPER: He also -- my reading of it, is that he -- he wanted U.S. to send in troops to Afghanistan, thinking that it would become like Afghanistan was for the Soviets. He never anticipated that the U.S. would have a clever strategy to fight the war in Afghanistan.

BERNTSEN: The strategy was very clever, and it was well executed.

COOPER: Right. What about -- so the name bin Laden, the name al Qaeda was known in the intelligence community under the Clinton administration, was talked about?

BERNTSEN: Right. But the issue is it really becomes important in August of 1998. Prior to that, you know, it was a group. It was considered dangerous, but they hadn't done a major strategic attack on us. Attacking those embassies, you know, in Dar Salaam and Nairobi, that was the strategic attack.

COOPER: Right. And was it always viewed or as a law enforcement effort, as, you know, as a law enforcement effort, as a "we've got to prosecute these guys to get them to an American courtroom"?

BERNTSEN: The Clinton administration's view was to pursue it that way. And it was, you know, you know, arrest these guys, put them in jail, you know, and do that in as many places around the world working, with local law enforcements. And it was. It was a law enforcement view of this, whereas the Bush administration is conducting all out war on them.

COOPER: Do you think that they're doing it effectively?

BERNTSEN: In some -- in some ways, it is effective. If other ways it's not affective. It's complicated. It's a broad, you know, conflict that we're in that's going to be with us for a while.

We've got to be more nimble. We've got to do it in a way where we don't create hostile populations against us, and we've got to do development at the same time.

COOPER: Do you think we're creating hostile populations by painting the opposition with a very broad brush that's sort of labeling it as global jihadist movement?

Because when you look at the goals of al Qaeda, I mean, they're looking, you know -- they're looking to kill other Muslims. They're just as opposed to regime -- Muslim regimes as they are to the United States. We've sort of made ourselves the enemy of them when, in fact, we've done little to point out their a true enemy and how fratricidal they are.

BERNTSEN: We have to point out that al Qaeda is at war with those parts in the Islamic world that want to coexist with secular democracy.

COOPER: Right.

BERNTSEN: We've got to point that out. And we've got to help our friends, and we've got to make sure that they understand that the United States cares about Muslims in the world.

We've got to, you know, make public the fact that we donate a lot of money to Islamic countries, more so than to Israel. A lot of money to Egypt, to Turkey, to Pakistan.

COOPER: And that's it's Al Qaeda who is just as interested in killing Muslims as they are in killing anyone else to reach their objective.

Gary Berntsen, appreciate you joining us. Thanks.

BERNTSEN: Pleasure.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Translation: "Don't make me reach into my bag of Fox News propaganda that's already been debunked a gazillion times."

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

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[alkemical]

what'd be more interesting is showing the link about the Mena airstrip and Iran-Contra

[mhgaffney]

These posts are BS. They echo the theme pervasive in the US media -- that America represents liberty, democracy, freedom and apple pie and all of these long haired Islamic radicals are terrorists.

It's a lie -- The same Islamic group, bin Laden included, were freedom fighters back when the goal was to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. We organized them (through our Pakistani allies), trained them, funded them, and helped them in every possible way.

It was only when the rag tag Islamic fighters turned and began to fight us (no doubt because they discovered that in fact we are not God's gift to planet earth) that the erstwhile freedom fighters became terrorists.

This is the fundamental lie that pervades all of the US government rhetoric and US media coverage of the so called war on terror.

It's a fraud.

And W*gs is a good example of the naive and foolish true believers who swallow the rhetoric without a thought -- and continue to reguritate it -- even while they pretend to oppose US interventionism.

The serious terrorists are in the White House. Bin Laden is a small timer -- by comparison. So was Saddam.

The only way we will ever again become the home of the free and the brave will be by holding the war criminals among us to the rule of law -- which means impeaching and indicting Bush, Cheney, etc -- then convicting them of their crimes against humanity and the environment -- which were nothing short of genicide -- and putting them away in prison for the rest of their human lives.

Then we can take pride again in America -- for holding our elected leaders to the same rule of law by which ordinary people must live. If we do that -- then we can again hold our heads high and be proud to be Americans.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

These posts are BS. They echo the theme pervasive in the US media -- that America represents liberty, democracy, freedom and apple pie and all of these long haired Islamic radicals are terrorists.

It's a lie -- The same Islamic group, bin Laden included, were freedom fighters back when the goal was to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. We organized them (through our Pakistani allies), trained them, funded them, and helped them in every possible way.

It was only when the rag tag Islamic fighters turned and began to fight us (no doubt because they discovered that in fact we are not God's gift to planet earth) that the erstwhile freedom fighters became terrorists.

This is the fundamental lie that pervades all of the US government rhetoric and US media coverage of the so called war on terror.

It's a fraud.

And W*gs is a good example of the naive and foolish true believers who swallow the rhetoric without a thought -- and continue to reguritate it -- even while they pretend to oppose US interventionism.

The serious terrorists are in the White House. Bin Laden is a small timer -- by comparison. So was Saddam.

The only way we will ever again become the home of the free and the brave will be by holding the war criminals among us to the rule of law -- which means impeaching and indicting Bush, Cheney, etc -- then convicting them of their crimes against humanity and the environment -- which were nothing short of genicide -- and putting them away in prison for the rest of their human lives.

Then we can take pride again in America -- for holding our elected leaders to the same rule of law by which ordinary people must live. If we do that -- then we can again hold our heads high and be proud to be Americans.

land of the free and home of the brave, you unamerican ****.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by yavoon

land of the free and home of the brave, you unamerican ****.

actually - i think those in the WH are the unamerican bastards

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

actually - i think those in the WH are the unamerican bastards

Yaloon is just another "love it or leave it" type who preaches personal responsibility but does the exact opposite when it comes to the concept of accountability for his own country.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Yaloon is just another "love it or leave it" type who preaches personal responsibility but does the exact opposite when it comes to the concept of accountability for his own country.

well labf, i also count citizens who do not live up to their civic duty as traitors to the republic - but that's jus me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

well labf, i also count citizens who do not live up to their civic duty as traitors to the republic - but that's jus me.

It ain't just you.

[W*GS]

Ahhh, c'mon, gaffney!

We know it was the Jews behind it all, don't we?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

And W*gs is a good example of the naive and foolish true believers who swallow the rhetoric without a thought -- and continue to reguritate it -- even while they pretend to oppose US interventionism.

I'm neither naive nor foolish. You're the one practicing moral equivalency - you just don't realize it. I'll let you figure out where.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

And W*gs is a good example of the naive and foolish true believers who swallow the rhetoric without a thought -- and continue to reguritate it -- even while they pretend to oppose US interventionism.

Yep.

W*gs has always been a good little foot soldier for Dubya and the corporatocracy.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

W*gs has always been a good little foot soldier for Dubya and the corporatocracy.

Hardly - but coming from the guy who fluffs Chavez... Thanks for the morning laugher.

And what the heck happened to my picture? The resolution is terrible!

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

actually - i think those in the WH are the unamerican bastards

=D

what I disappreciated about ghaff's post is if there's gna be disingenuous pandering to american sentiment the least the shill can do is get it ****ing right.