Court: Mexican Trucks Can Drive In U.S.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Court gift wraps another one for Bush.



(AP) The Bush administration can go ahead with a pilot program to allow as many as 100 Mexican trucking companies to freely haul their cargo anywhere within the U.S. for the next year, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied a request made by the Teamsters union, the Sierra Club and the nonprofit Public Citizen to halt the program.

The appeals court ruled the groups have not satisfied the legal requirements to immediately stop what the government is calling a "demonstration project," but can continue to argue their case.

The trucking program is scheduled to begin Thursday.

In court papers filed earlier this week, the Teamsters and Sierra Club argued there won't be enough oversight of the drivers coming into the U.S. from Mexico.

They also argued that public safety would be endangered in a hasty attempt by the government to comply with parts of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

The trade agreement requires that all roads in the United States, Mexico and Canada to be opened to carriers from all three countries.

Canadian trucking companies have full access to U.S. roads, but Mexican trucks can only travel about 20 miles inside the country at certain border crossings such as ones in San Diego and El Paso, Texas.

The government contends that further delays in the project will strain the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico.

In court filings this week, government lawyers said the program is an important interim step in fulfilling the United States' obligations under NAFTA, and that Mexican trucking companies would have to meet the same regulations governing U.S. trucking companies, and in some cases the requirements are stricter.

Representatives of the Teamsters did not immediately return calls late Friday from The Associated Press, and a Sierra Club spokeswoman declined immediate comment.

The program is designed to study whether opening the U.S.-Mexico border to all trucks could be done safely.

Congress ordered the Department of Transportation earlier this year to launch a pilot program to investigate the issue. As the start date neared, the Teamsters and the Sierra Club claimed the public wasn't given enough opportunity to comment on a program that, as proposed now, won't yield statistically valid results.

The government says it has imposed rigorous safety protocols in the program, including drug and alcohol testing for drivers done by U.S. companies. In addition, law enforcement officials have stepped up nationwide enforcement of a law that's been on the books since the 1970s requiring interstate truck and bus drivers to have a basic understanding of written and spoken English.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, the Department of Transportation agency charged with managing the program, said Friday the court's decision is "welcome news for U.S. truck drivers anxious to compete south of the border and U.S. consumers eager to realize the savings of more efficient shipments with one of our largest trading partners."

However, the agency said it must still wait for final report by the inspector general and for Mexico to begin giving U.S. trucking companies reciprocal access before the program can begin.

The Teamsters had complained that the government has provided no details of the reciprocal agreement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3227439.shtml

[baja]

Big business' stooge G W Bush wins another battle to bust unions, this time it is America's strongest union. Wonder if the unions will sabotage the trucks like in the old days when Americans actually had had balls.

[Bronco Bob]

Yep. Just another attempt by the Republicans at union busting.
By using Mexican slave labor its just one more step in the elite
Republicans' march in bringing everyone's wages down to WalMart
style slave wages. Of course the right wing shills and dupes will
say it aint so and blame Clinton and the liberals. Expect W*gs
to chime in any minute on this.

[Spider]

man I hate that sawed off ****ing runt in office , and to think some of the idiots were proud and happy to vote for him ........

[Spider]

****ing pukes , it is Labor day ,and you have no Idea were your middle class is ... everyone that voted republican sold out the working man .. good job you ****ing geniuses

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

****ing pukes , it is Labor day ,and you have no Idea were your middle class is ... everyone that voted republican sold out the working man .. good job you ****ing geniuses

Yes, but the Republicans kept gays from getting married, and that's apparently what was most important for them in the 2004 election.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Yes, but the Republicans kept gays from getting married, and that's apparently what was most important for them in the 2004 election.

oh well that helps I am sure glad we dont have to worry about illegal homos burning flags on our front lawns

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

oh well that helps I am sure glad we dont have to worry about illegal homos burning flags on our front lawns

But here's the punchline. As soon as Bush got elected all talk of a
Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages was dropped and
completely ignored afterwards.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

But here's the punchline. As soon as Bush got elected all talk of a
Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages was dropped and
completely ignored afterwards.

so now we have to worry about Merika hatin flag burning homos ?

[spdirty]

Hey Bob, Spide, last I heard Bush wasn't on the most idiotic court in the land. Hopefully they take it up a notch to the Supreme.

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied a request made by the Teamsters union, the Sierra Club and the nonprofit Public Citizen to halt the program.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by spdirty

Hey Bob, Spide, last I heard Bush wasn't on the most idiotic court in the land. Hopefully they take it up a notch to the Supreme.

it is Bush's Idea and his alone ...... Bush wants to expand the boarder zones to include all of the United States ..........

[RMT]

no border, no order, no nation ...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by spdirty

Hey Bob, Spide, last I heard Bush wasn't on the most idiotic court in the land.

Got reading comprehension?

(AP) The Bush administration can go ahead with a pilot program to allow as many as 100 Mexican trucking companies to freely haul their cargo anywhere within the U.S. for the next year, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Yep. Just another attempt by the Republicans at union busting.
By using Mexican slave labor its just one more step in the elite
Republicans' march in bringing everyone's wages down to WalMart
style slave wages. Of course the right wing shills and dupes will
say it aint so and blame Clinton and the liberals. Expect W*gs
to chime in any minute on this.

I think that most conservatives hate this ...

Heaven knows I do -- Right, is right, wrong is wrong. Bush is so wrong on every issue related to the border. The truth is guys -- few Repubs, and Dems that were elected have the character to do anything about it. I wish that Dems heard more from voices like yours -- to let them know that you are not lock-step with them on this issue. I have wrote my congressman, and a few others. The only thing they seem to understand is when we shut them down by flooding the switchborads in Washington -- like what happend a couple of months ago on a simular issue. Join radical right-wing-nut jobs like me on this issue -- and decry Bush all you want -- but also talk with folks that you elected to help educate them, and if you cant educate -- flood them with calls, emails, faxes, and letters to the point where they can not operate. Man, I hate the fact they will not listen to the will of the people on this issue.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

it is Bush's Idea and his alone ...... Bush wants to expand the boarder zones to include all of the United States ..........

Bush wants to erase the borders for political and $ gain --- The Dems want the border gone as well, but perhaps slightly different reasons.

The only ones that are "talking tough" on border issues are Ron Paul, and Tencreado -- I don’t think that Hillary will do anything about the problem. Having said this, I agree Bush is the worst President that I have seen on this issue -- perhaps because he "talks tough" but at every step undermines our border security ...

So, Spider, what are you going to do? I think that Dem and Repub legislators need to hear from the people, and I think they need to appeal it to the Supreme Court. The 9th Circus and Bush have this wrong -- and the more people are divided by party on this and similar issues, the less likely we can stop it.

[Bronco Bob]

Bush's plan for the border.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Bush's plan for the border.

Yep.

Bush and the cheap labor conservatives he represents would like nothing more than to import Mexico's socioeconomic class system to America.

That's their vision of utopia.

[Bronco Bob]

Bush Plans Super Highway From Mexico to Canada

According to Human Events Online, while we are all fretting about illegal immigration, quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA (North America Free Trade Association) Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minnesota. Good grief. Talk about globalization (and loss of American jobs) at it’s absolute worst. Once complete, the new super highway will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks will drive straight into the heartland of America by crossing the border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first custom stop will be at a new facility in KANSAS CITY. Construction is scheduled to start next year. Dozens of U. S. government agencies, state agencies and scores of non-government agencies are working behind the scenes to build the new NAFTA Super Highway. There are also plans afoot to create the North American Union (the equivalent of the European Union) as the logical next step in the loss of our independence and economic freedoms. The Super Highway is the brainchild of NASCO (North American SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc.), which claims to be a “non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world’s first international, integrated and secure. Multi-modal transportation system along the international Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade and competitiveness and quality of life in North America.” Carefully note that the good ol’ USA is not mentioned in that marketing blurb. NASCO has received $2.5 million in earmarks from the U. S. Department of Transportation to plan the highway. Read the entire article at: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965

North American Union - A Top Goal of Secretary of Commerce Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez has declared advancing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America to one of his top goals, writing in a letter archived on the Department of Commerce website that “I have made the SPP one of my top priorities and will utilize the talents and expertise of the people across the Department of Commerce to ensure the SPP is a success.” Secretary Gutierrez next laid out an explanation of how “security” and “prosperity” fit together, using language that carefully replaced reference to the United States of America to language embracing the concept of “North America” as an economic and political reality. Secretary Gutierrez enters the discussion by bragging about the importance of the role he is assigned to play: Organizationally, I am jointly responsible for the economic, or prosperity, component of the SPP, with my Canadian counterpart, Minister of Industry David Emerson, and my Mexican counterpart, Secretary of Economy Fernando Canales. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, jointly with his Canadian and Mexican counterparts, is responsible for the security component. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, jointly with her Canadian and Mexican counterparts, will ensure that the two components are integrated and that the SPP advances our strong relations with Mexico and Canada. Working groups rewriting U.S. administrative laws in areas ranging from e-commerce, to steel policy, to energy policy, to aviation control, to border crossing policy, to environment (to mention just a few) are arguably creating the legal infrastructure for a regional government to emerge by administrative fiat. Yet, there is no provision in the U.S. Constitution that justifies the executive branch to rewrite U.S. administrative law without formulating a treaty that must be submitted to the Senate for ratification by a two-thirds vote. These are the cold realities Secretary Gutierrez and SPP.gov seek to side step with their reassuring “security” and “prosperity” platitudes.

Our Government is Erasing Our Borders In line with the push to create the North American Union (NAU), the federal government is slowly but surely erasing our borders. It began in 1993, with an expansion of the "La Paz Agreement" between the United States and Mexico. Bill Clinton issued Executive Order 12904 in 1994, which created the Border Environment Cooperation Commission, to oversee development in "Border Region XXI," a region 62-miles wide on either side of the U.S./Mexico border. This little-known agreement, a side deal in the much-touted North America Free Trade Agreement, was a precursor to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, born in March 2005. Recently we gave been alerted to the Transportation Super-Highway from Southern Mexico to Kansas City (and eventually to Canada), which will virtually eliminate border security and thousands of American jobs. Government agencies are ignoring the plight of the thousands of businesses and farms that will be seized under Eminent Domain to accomplish this project. At the root of the problem is an evolving concept of what America is, or was, or should be. For nearly a century, America led the world in freedom and prosperity, not because government decided what is best for America, but because a free people decided what government could, and could not do. Somewhere along the way, the people got too busy earning a living, or watching ball games, or shopping, or vacationing, or getting rich off government projects, so that the idea of limiting government initiatives fell out of favor. Most of America seems perfectly content to let government do whatever it wants. Aside from complaining, there is little evidence that the majority of Americans care enough about what America is becoming, to do the work necessary to return government to the people. Consider this: per capita income in the U.S. is $41,800; in Canada, $34,000; in Mexico, $10,000. Were these three economies "homogenized," as is the goal of the trade agreements and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, the per capita income of all three nations would be $28,000. Once these agreements erase our borders, America will be nothing more than a member of the North American Union, with only a fading memory of glories past.

http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Newsle...perHighway.htm

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bob

Bush wants to erase the borders for political and $ gain --- The Dems want the border gone as well, but perhaps slightly different reasons.

The only ones that are "talking tough" on border issues are Ron Paul, and Tencreado -- I don’t think that Hillary will do anything about the problem. Having said this, I agree Bush is the worst President that I have seen on this issue -- perhaps because he "talks tough" but at every step undermines our border security ...

So, Spider, what are you going to do? I think that Dem and Repub legislators need to hear from the people, and I think they need to appeal it to the Supreme Court. The 9th Circus and Bush have this wrong -- and the more people are divided by party on this and similar issues, the less likely we can stop it.

Here is my big b**** ...... it is totally unfair to the American trucker , for example , these mexicans will drive for 10 cents a mile , and American truckers cant go deep into Mexico ......
we truckers have enough on our plate now , with ports of entry , highway patrol , D.O.T. inspections , traffic , and deadlines , now we have to deal with a playing field that is stacked against us .......
if it was more set up like Canada trade , I wouldnt be so upset .....
But I am confident the teamsters will find a way to fight back ........
Screw getting ahold of any politician , those ****ers will lie right to your face , no sir I am giving money to the teamsters , the ATA , OOIDA ........
those are the guys best equipped to fight this

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When you read things like these, you have to wonder how anyone could still support this hose job of an administration (anyone but the cheap labor conservatives and the dumb sh*ts who buy their propaganda, that is.)

[Bob]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Here is my big b**** ...... it is totally unfair to the American trucker , for example , these mexicans will drive for 10 cents a mile , and American truckers cant go deep into Mexico ......
we truckers have enough on our plate now , with ports of entry , highway patrol , D.O.T. inspections , traffic , and deadlines , now we have to deal with a playing field that is stacked against us .......
if it was more set up like Canada trade , I wouldnt be so upset .....
But I am confident the teamsters will find a way to fight back ........
Screw getting ahold of any politician , those ****ers will lie right to your face , no sir I am giving money to the teamsters , the ATA , OOIDA ........
those are the guys best equipped to fight this

You right to be pissed -- I am too. It is another step to eviscerate the middleclass. I sincerely wish you and your family the best. I am ashamed of what Bush has done on this issue and all issues thus far on the border. It is amazing to watch the few in the “government elite” who would benefit from such actions collectively raid the wealth of the citizenry of America, and the generations that have built that wealth for us -- while the people of America get the shaft. Welcome to a one-world government where our vote will mean even less -- the next thing they will asking us to do is implant chips on our wrists to buy and sell...

[Bob]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

When you read things like these, you have to wonder how anyone could still support this hose job of an administration (anyone but the cheap labor conservatives and the dumb sh*ts who buy their propaganda, that is.)

I think that the Dems support the labor unions better and blue collar folks.

I am one of those idiots that bought into thinking that Bush would be strong on the border based on what he said in the past -- I don’t think I lack intelligence, but I was naive in my thinking. But who out there on the left is really strong on this issue -- that is willing to do some things that may be unpopular? At this point I don’t care much what angle our government takes to reduce the influx of illegal’s, and border breaches like this one -- but once again -- is there anyone on the left you think would tackle it head-on? Who on the right would the left tolerate that would be strong? Perhaps Ron Paul, but he is just to short on cash to pull it off.

I wish the left’s politicians were strong on this issue - I sincerely do - if Hillary was really strong on the border she would get a ton of votes for that stance -- heck it would cause me to consider her -- if I really believed her. Many Republicans talk tough on this issue --- but I think that most would crumble under the $/pressure. I think that Tencredo would standup, but he lacks any charisma. Hucklebee talks tough, Ron Paul talks tough -- but talk has become very cheap.

[Spider]

I talked to my dispatcher tonight ( got a load of pipe heading to Cheyenne in the mornin) about Mexico , I told him I wont go , he said he would never send me , but wanted to know why I wouldnt go ..... so I told him .....
1. truckstops , few and far between , and ones that are there dont take com data , so that means I take a **** load of American money with me .....
2. Road conditions , roads are pretty rough down there ...
3. rest areas , if there is any , primitive at best
4. Cops , crooks in uniform
5. Rights , I could do something wrong , no one could help me ......
6. I DONT SPEAK SPANISH ....well except the cuss words and fight ...
7. unexpected break downs , I have no idea of where or how to get something fixed down there ..
8. with all the goodies I have in my rig , I would clearly be a target
9. ****ing with customs , been there done that in Canada ......
10. No money in it for me ......

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

When you read things like these, you have to wonder how anyone could still support this hose job of an administration (anyone but the cheap labor conservatives and the dumb sh*ts who buy their propaganda, that is.)

I haven't heard any Dems speaking out against this. The only one who wants to marginally monitor these agreements is Edwards. Billary seems to be on board right down the line. After all, it was Teddy who gave the "Welcome" speech to illegal aliens last year, in really bad Spanish. Of course, if you stand up for the Mexican way of life, you're a progressive and empathetic person. If you stand up for the American way of life, you're a racist.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I haven't heard any Dems speaking out against this. The only one who wants to marginally monitor these agreements is Edwards. Billary seems to be on board right down the line. After all, it was Teddy who gave the "Welcome" speech to illegal aliens last year, in really bad Spanish. Of course, if you stand up for the Mexican way of life, you're a progressive and empathetic person. If you stand up for the American way of life, you're a racist.

When you consider the "American" way of life was made possible by genocide than I guess you would have to allow for a bit of racism attached to concept.