Are We The New Bengals? - The Orange Mane

cmhargrove · 08-27-2007, 09:43 AM

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.

So, that brings up the question, are we going to have to put up 35 points to win each game? (At least for the first half of the season). It reminds me of the Bengals of the past few years, and the Colts of 5 years ago. And, is that a good or bad thing? I think it helped the development of Manning and Palmer and the defense was the "last link." In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.

So, what do you think, and is it all bad?

Smiling Assassin27 · 08-27-2007, 09:52 AM

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

BroncoMatt · 08-27-2007, 09:53 AM

at least the broncos aren't all in jail, so in that regards....

rovolution · 08-27-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.

Are you talking about Elways early years? from my understanding, it was the defense that kept us in games early in Elways career, with the likes of studs such as Mecklenburg, Dennis Smith, Tommy Jackson, Rulon Jones, Kragen, Louis Wright...

bronco militia · 08-27-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

Are you talking about Elways early years? from my understanding, it was the defense that kept us in games early in Elways career, with the likes of studs such as Mecklenburg, Dennis Smith, Tommy Jackson, Rulon Jones, Kragen, Louis Wright...

yep....

but Elway carried the offense those years

BigBad · 08-27-2007, 12:42 PM

At least your D knows how to tackle. Have you seen a Bengal game the past few years? Whiff central!!

bronco militia · 08-27-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBad

At least your D knows how to tackle. Have you seen a Bengal game the past few years? Whiff central!!

check out #52 in orange and blue ....he's a is tackling machine!

SonOfLe-loLang · 08-27-2007, 01:00 PM

For all the hate on Ian Gold's tackling, he had some nice sticks last game. He got juked hard by Jamal Lewis once, yes...but he wasnt nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be

Kaylore · 08-27-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

For all the hate on Ian Gold's tackling, he had some nice sticks last game. He got juked hard by Jamal Lewis once, yes...but he wasnt nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be

No, he was crappy and he did that all last season. There was no juking. There was just runners running through him because he has such a small frame and no power.

SonOfLe-loLang · 08-27-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

No, he was crappy and he did that all last season. There was no juking. There was just runners running through him because he has such a small frame and no power.

Whatever, if i recall the play im thinking about, he had to run over there to get him (perhaps he missed his assignment.) It wasnt like he was set and just got run over. (if i remember correctly)

WoodMan · 08-27-2007, 01:09 PM

Is cmhargrove the "new bengals fan"?

Paladin · 08-27-2007, 01:26 PM

Gold should be a S. I would prefer a larger, more aggressive W - like DJ - and play Webster at Mike. Cargile would be a better chioice for Sam, I think.

But what do I know?

BigBad · 08-27-2007, 01:32 PM

Man I havnt seen the orange and blue faithful so negative in a while. NICE!

broncosteven · 08-27-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.

you forgot Brian Clark, If he makes playes when he gets his time on the field he may be our #3 guy by seasons end. He was blocking down field and made a good 3rd down catch late in the game. Stokley looks good but give Clark a couple of plays early in the year to see if he can do it when the heat is on in the kitchen.

Crushaholic · 08-27-2007, 02:43 PM

If we DO have to put up 35 points a game, we're going to be in trouble. The defense doesn't have to click right now. I still think we'll be OK...

cmhargrove · 08-27-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodMan

Is cmhargrove the "new bengals fan"?

I'll be the "new Bengals Fan" if you will be the "official thread misinterpreter"

zing...

crazyhorse · 08-27-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Just a thought...

The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas.

So, that brings up the question, are we going to have to put up 35 points to win each game? (At least for the first half of the season). It reminds me of the Bengals of the past few years, and the Colts of 5 years ago. And, is that a good or bad thing? I think it helped the development of Manning and Palmer and the defense was the "last link." In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together.

So, what do you think, and is it all bad?

You have basically stated here that if the WR position, the TE position, and the RB position improve, you might be able to get enough points to make up for the defense.

The difference between the teams you outlined and the Denver Broncos is the Colts and Cinci have elite offenses. You do not.

What could you possibly be looking at when you compare the Broncos offense to the Colts offense?

Elways teams had some good defenses.

Take it from me, having even a great offense (like the recent past Chiefs offenses) wont offset a horrible defense.

Hercules Rockefeller · 08-27-2007, 03:01 PM

They haven't shown they're on the Bengals level yet, there is no comparison at this point.

Atlas · 08-27-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

Tell that to the Colts.

The Patriots a strong Defensive team even know better. THat is why they went out and got all thoise WRS. If you want to get by the Colts you're going to have to outscore them.

SonOfLe-loLang · 08-27-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

They haven't shown they're on the Bengals level yet, there is no comparison at this point.

Our defense also hasnt proved its as bad as everyone thinks it is. Calm the f down.

broncosteven · 08-27-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You have basically stated here that if the WR position, the TE position, and the RB position improve, you might be able to get enough points to make up for the defense.

The difference between the teams you outlined and the Denver Broncos is the Colts and Cinci have elite offenses. You do not.

What could you possibly be looking at when you compare the Broncos offense to the Colts offense?

Elways teams had some good defenses.

Take it from me, having even a great offense (like the recent past Chiefs offenses) wont offset a horrible defense.

Duh Bears had a great D and lost the SB to a Fair/avg Dolt D.

As long as the D can force a couple stops and or turnovers in big spots in games the O should get to point where it can score enough to win. Cutler needs to convert more 3rd downs for that to happen 1st.

At least now it appears we have a decent 3rd down back in Young who can inject speed into the ground game on key plays.

400HZ · 08-27-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

Tell that to the Colts.

The Patriots a strong Defensive team even know better. THat is why they went out and got all thoise WRS. If you want to get by the Colts you're going to have to outscore them.

You just have to smack Payton around a little bit and get him off his game. That's why the Pats can't beat Indy anymore, they don't have any elite pass rushers.

azbroncfan · 08-27-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

It takes balance to consistently win championships.

cmhargrove · 08-27-2007, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You have basically stated here that if the WR position, the TE position, and the RB position improve, you might be able to get enough points to make up for the defense.

The difference between the teams you outlined and the Denver Broncos is the Colts and Cinci have elite offenses. You do not.

What could you possibly be looking at when you compare the Broncos offense to the Colts offense?

Elways teams had some good defenses.

Take it from me, having even a great offense (like the recent past Chiefs offenses) wont offset a horrible defense.

First, I believe the offense has improved, the truth of that should be played out in a couple weeks.

The main point was that Indy and Cincy were situations where very talented QB's were forced to become winners early in their careers. Manning and Palmer are still a league above Cutler, no doubt. However, their situations also mandated that they help "carry the team." That pressure makes some QB's and breaks others. I think it could help make Cutler into a much better QB, time will tell. I'm not saying that Cutler is equal to Palmer or Manning now, but he could very well be on the same track they were after 5 games...

When comparing the Colts offense to the Broncos, I believe I clearly stated that we might have to put up 35 points a game to win. What did I not spell out? I didn't say Cutler was Manning, or Javon is Marvin. The Manning Colts (until a couple years ago) had to win off high scores, that is the comparison.

The Elway comparison is a little different. It is true they had some good defenses, but John had to carry the offense. However, it creates the same crucible in which the "great ones" are formed.

I don't know if Cutler will be that guy, but there is no doubt that the pressure will be squarely on his shoulders to do so. I think it will make him better (until the defense comes along).

TDmvp · 08-27-2007, 04:52 PM

i live in Cincinnati .... and no we "the Broncos" are not the new Bengals .... next question ....

08-27-2007, 09:43 AM	#1
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Are We The New Bengals? Just a thought... The offense looked like it could be really good when we get everyone back into playing shape. Javon needs a little stick 'em, but he looks good getting open and after the catch. Marshall is looking like a bona fide #2, and I love the fact that he was laying downfield blocks for his team mates. Stokely still isn't full speed, but he can always find holes in zone coverage. Scheff and Graham still have a little work, but should get open because of the other guys drawing coverage. Hopefully, Henry will look more like SF than Dallas. So, that brings up the question, are we going to have to put up 35 points to win each game? (At least for the first half of the season). It reminds me of the Bengals of the past few years, and the Colts of 5 years ago. And, is that a good or bad thing? I think it helped the development of Manning and Palmer and the defense was the "last link." In a way it happened with Elway. He had to carry the team for a while before it all came together. So, what do you think, and is it all bad?

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08-27-2007, 09:52 AM	#2
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,983 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I think the offense may have a heavier load early in the season, but the defense will get it together. Everywhere Bates has been, the defense has been productive so why would this team be any different? Bates' system has worked with less talent but it will take time for the defense to get synchronized.

08-27-2007, 09:53 AM	#3
BroncoMatt The Blizzard Man Check My Style Out Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: California Posts: 1,559	at least the broncos aren't all in jail, so in that regards....

08-27-2007, 12:42 PM	#6
BigBad Donk Hater Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 496	At least your D knows how to tackle. Have you seen a Bengal game the past few years? Whiff central!!

08-27-2007, 01:00 PM	#8
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,235 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	For all the hate on Ian Gold's tackling, he had some nice sticks last game. He got juked hard by Jamal Lewis once, yes...but he wasnt nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be

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WoodMan Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 1,327	Is cmhargrove the "new bengals fan"?

08-27-2007, 01:26 PM	#12
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,151	Gold should be a S. I would prefer a larger, more aggressive W - like DJ - and play Webster at Mike. Cargile would be a better chioice for Sam, I think. But what do I know?

08-27-2007, 01:32 PM	#13
BigBad Donk Hater Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 496	Man I havnt seen the orange and blue faithful so negative in a while. NICE!

08-27-2007, 02:43 PM	#15
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,045	If we DO have to put up 35 points a game, we're going to be in trouble. The defense doesn't have to click right now. I still think we'll be OK...

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Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	They haven't shown they're on the Bengals level yet, there is no comparison at this point.

08-27-2007, 04:52 PM	#25
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,057	i live in Cincinnati .... and no we "the Broncos" are not the new Bengals .... next question ....