America's Use of Radiological Weapons

[mhgaffney]

America's Use of Radiological Weapons

by
Mark H. Gaffney

More and more frequently, one hears the charge that America's use of depleted uranium (DU) weapons in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia was a war crime. In 2004, for example, a tribunal in Japan convicted George W. Bush in absentia for crimes against humanity. Is America headed for a showdown with the world over depleted uranium?

For my full report go to

http://www.rense.com/general77/radiol.htm

[mhgaffney]

After I posted the above article I heard from an Afghani who sent me photos of Afghani babies -- with birth defects -- taken after the US invasion. The photos are similar to those taken in Basra -- and they must be seen to be believed.

Warning. These are not for the squeamish.

http://www.afghanistanafterdemocracy.com/page11.html

If this is what democracy brings, the Afghanis would be better off under the Taliban -- or Attila.

[TheDave]

Brought to you by the guy who thinks Uranium decays into iron...

[TheDave]

and that Bush used "mini-nukes" on 9/11...

[TheDave]

...and that Bush will cancel the '08 elections...

[W*GS]

More self-congratulatory masturbation on gaffney's part...

[TheDave]

...And that the MOB killed JFK...

[TheDave]

...AND that Abraham Lincoln was a claravoyant...:Thumbs:

[TheDave]

...AND that we will bomb Iran last April...

[mhgaffney]

Here's a response by a man who read the paper:

Dear Sir;

Your 23 page article (yes I down loaded it) on this subject must truly be the most defining and comprehensive one on this issue that I have ever read! And, certainly, anyone who would aspire to an opinion on the subject would, at the very least, have to read your excellent article for credibility. I have always thought DU to be pretty nasty stuff, but, I had no idea of how nasty it was, nor of all the related peripheral information you provided. Great job. I hope you don't receive any anonymous threats, but, if your article were to become more popularly known, the wealthy mad men that are running our country and the world into the ground, would deem you a subvervise (to their plans anyway).

I have just finished watching the DVD "What a way to go", and I can only shake my head, as not only does mankind face an eminent Malthusian fate with Peak Oil, but, also a nuclear one with DU. I have just retired and today (24th) is my 62nd birthday, but, there can be nothing happy about it, as I watch the world go to hell and extinction.

Thanks for the Great article, good luck, and be safe

[Rohirrim]

Abraham Lincoln wasn't clairvoyant?

[mhgaffney]

Here's what a Viet Nam veteran thought about it:

Dear Mark,
I have been following the depleted uranium problem for many years and your article puts all the facts on the table. This gestapo government has done everything in their power to keep the DU problem hidden. But it has not worked. Thanks to people like you. And (www.netctr.com) and (www.iraq-war.ru/) who have been on this problem for years. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War (vvaw@vvaw.org) contact point Ward Reily have been advising returning veterans on this problem for years. I am pleased to see the lid come off this coverup. Our gestapo government makes Hitler look like a nice guy. The true terrorists are right here. I hope enough people wake up to this fact before it's to late. Thank you again Mark. Norman Davis, Vietnam vet.

[mhgaffney]

This guy wrote from Berlin:

Dear Mr Gaffney,

I have just read your most excellent depleted uranium essay and wish to compliment you
for an exceptionally well-written and comprehensively researched and referenced piece of writing.
I have already forwarded this essay to several people and will further send
it to any and everyone I can think of.

On the ever so slight off-chance that there really is a God somewhere (or Gods),
that could actually give a **** about not only humanity but this planet itself,
may He, She, It, They have pity on our mortal souls.

To paraphrase a guy who may or may not have existed in a historical context,
"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."

Unfortunately though, forgiveness based on not knowing what we do just isn't on the
agenda, is it? Because we know damned-well what we do.

Thanks for this essay.

Will have a look at your website.

Peace and warmest regards,

R. Schramm in Berlin

[W*GS]

Here's a PM I got:

"You hit the nail on the head. Gaffney is a ****ing moron".

I must be right, then, because someone else out there agreed with me, and their response was completely unprompted and not made up by me in any way, shape or form.

[defenseman]

Okay, this BS has got to stop. Ghaffboy is stirring the pot and I bet you a dime to a dollar he cannot answer the following questions with respect to depleted uranium:

1) Where does it come from?
2) ARE unexpended rounds a safety hazard?
3) What are the contact rad levels of an unexpended round?
4) What forms of radiation are emitted from DU and are they lethal long term , considering both external and internal exposure?
5) What methods are employed to 'shield' soldiers from unexpended rounds and is it really required?
6) Who gets more radiation on a daily basis than a soldier stationed in iraq, a soldier who is carrying unexpended rounds with him as he walks around?
7) What's the "primary" source of radiation from DU? Is this source mitigated for the soldier? Any other sources of radiation from DU? What are their comparative levels wrt the average adult walking around in the good ole US of A.?

ANSWERS PLEASE, Ghaffboy!!!!!!!
Lots more where this came from. I've operated nuclear reactors for many years and I'm quite aware of the affects of all types of radiation , both internal and external exposure. Ok ghaff, answer the questions and sell me on expended uranium risk ....I'll be waiting....dman

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by defenseman

Okay, this BS has got to stop. Ghaffboy is stirring the pot and I bet you a dime to a dollar he cannot answer the following questions with respect to depleted uranium:

1) Where does it come from?
2) ARE unexpended rounds a safety hazard?
3) What are the contact rad levels of an unexpended round?
4) What forms of radiation are emitted from DU and are they lethal long term , considering both external and internal exposure?
5) What methods are employed to 'shield' soldiers from unexpended rounds and is it really required?
6) Who gets more radiation on a daily basis than a soldier stationed in iraq, a soldier who is carrying unexpended rounds with him as he walks around?
7) What's the "primary" source of radiation from DU? Is this source mitigated for the soldier? Any other sources of radiation from DU? What are their comparative levels wrt the average adult walking around in the good ole US of A.?

ANSWERS PLEASE, Ghaffboy!!!!!!!
Lots more where this came from. I've operated nuclear reactors for many years and I'm quite aware of the affects of all types of radiation , both internal and external exposure. Ok ghaff, answer the questions and sell me on expended uranium risk ....I'll be waiting....dman

Sounds like the sort of spin job/sales pitch you would get from the merchants who peddle these DU munitions.

That is, the same kind of snow job you get from the tobacco companies that try to minimize the dangers of their "product."

In fact, have you ever noticed how the average right-winger's position on just about any issue reads like it was scripted by the special interests to whom the GOP politicians he supports are beholden?

[Hotrod]

Gaff is still peddling bull**** I see

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Sounds like the sort of spin job/sales pitch you would get from the merchants who peddle these DU munitions.

That is, the same kind of snow job you get from the tobacco companies that try to minimize the dangers of their "product."

In fact, have you ever noticed how the average right-winger's position on just about any issue reads like it was scripted by the special interests to whom the GOP politicians he supports are beholden?

SINCE, you've taken up a position in support of ghaffboy, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS smart guy?!!!!!!!!!!! If you can, then support the claim you endorse....dman

*Looks like to me, you've attempted to spin, JUST BECAUSE it's not what you believe. Answer the questions, get some facts to support, then come back when you believe you have a leg to stand on. Until then, butt out...Ghaff can attempt to support this garbage, he doesn't need mommy to cover his back.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by defenseman

Okay, this BS has got to stop. Ghaffboy is stirring the pot and I bet you a dime to a dollar he cannot answer the following questions with respect to depleted uranium:

1) Where does it come from?
2) ARE unexpended rounds a safety hazard?
3) What are the contact rad levels of an unexpended round?
4) What forms of radiation are emitted from DU and are they lethal long term , considering both external and internal exposure?
5) What methods are employed to 'shield' soldiers from unexpended rounds and is it really required?
6) Who gets more radiation on a daily basis than a soldier stationed in iraq, a soldier who is carrying unexpended rounds with him as he walks around?
7) What's the "primary" source of radiation from DU? Is this source mitigated for the soldier? Any other sources of radiation from DU? What are their comparative levels wrt the average adult walking around in the good ole US of A.?

ANSWERS PLEASE, Ghaffboy!!!!!!!
Lots more where this came from. I've operated nuclear reactors for many years and I'm quite aware of the affects of all types of radiation , both internal and external exposure. Ok ghaff, answer the questions and sell me on expended uranium risk ....I'll be waiting....dman

As many here know, I'm hardly a defender of Gaffney. But another problem
with depleted uranium in the environment besides its radioactivity is that
uranium is a heavy metal, like lead.
Most people are aware of the dangers of lead in the environment. Lead
has been well established to a cause of cancer, brain damage in children,
reduced fertility, miscarriages, and birth defects.
That's why lead is being phased out in solder for electronic equipment and
is no longer used in plumbing, paint, or as a gasoline additive. (Many of the
recalled Chinese imports were recalled because they had lead paint on them.)
Research has shown that uranium has the same kinds of toxic effects in humans as lead.
In fact the chemical toxicity of uranium is greater than its radiological toxicity.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

As many here know, I'm hardly a defender of Gaffney. But another problem
with depleted uranium in the environment besides its radioactivity is that
uranium is a heavy metal, like lead.
Most people are aware of the dangers of lead in the environment. Lead
has been well established to a cause of cancer, brain damage in children,
reduced fertility, miscarriages, and birth defects.
That's why lead is being phased out in solder for electronic equipment and
is no longer used in plumbing, paint, or as a gasoline additive. (Many of the
recalled Chinese imports were recalled because they had lead paint on them.)
Research has shown that uranium has the same kinds of toxic effects in humans as lead.
In fact the chemical toxicity of uranium is greater than its radiological toxicity.

Great. So, will DU cause child deformoties? Yes or no. And how does it accomplish this? Need an exact answer if in fact you do support the notion that it does cause deformities. I await your response................dman

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by defenseman

Great. So, will DU cause child deformoties? Yes or no. And how does it accomplish this? Need an exact answer if in fact you do support the notion that it does cause deformities. I await your response................dman

I would guess the same way lead does. Lead is toxic because it mimics other biologically important metals such as calcium, iron and zinc. Lead is able to bind to and interact with the same proteins and molecules as these metals, but after displacement, those molecules function differently and fail to carry out the same reactions, such as in producing enzymes necessary for certain biological processes. So perhaps DU interferes with some sort of genetic markers that a developing fetus depends on, sort of like drugs such as thalidomide did.

[alkemical]

Well the military admitted to using DU in hawaii:

http://bigislandweekly.com/articles/...ews/news02.txt

http://maluaina888.blogspot.com/

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/...ws/local01.txt

http://www.protecthawaii.ws/

http://www.noduhawaii.com/index.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by defenseman

SINCE, you've taken up a position in support of ghaffboy, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS smart guy?!!!!!!!!!!! If you can, then support the claim you endorse....dman

All you have done on this thread is ask questions.

You haven't actually countered any of the facts or claims in the article.

And you're busting my chops for not supporting my "claim?"

Too funny.

Originally Posted by defenseman

Answer the questions, get some facts to support, then come back when you believe you have a leg to stand on.

Instead of this silly Q&A thing, why don't you post some facts that you believe would refute the contents of the article?

A point by point refutation would really impress me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

All you have done on this thread is ask questions.

This from the guy who absolutely refuses to answer any.

Obviously, if there isn't a "bartcop" JPG that you can use, you're silent.

Why?