Vick Admits Everything - The Orange Mane

bronco militia · 08-24-2007, 02:09 PM

POSTED 1:48 p.m. EDT, August 24, 2007

VICK ADMITS EVERYTHING

We've reviewed in detail the plea agreement signed by Michael Vick on Thursday, along with the statement of facts.

Notwithstanding the anonymous source who told the anonymous reporter at ESPN that Vick would not admit to killing dogs or to gambling, Vick admits to everything.

In paragraph 1, Vick pleads guilty to conspiracy to establish, maintain, etc. an interstate gambling enterprise and conspiracy to engage in interstate dog fighting.

In paragraph 2, Vick admits that the Surry County property to which he initially said he never goes was the main staging area for housing and training pit bulls for fighting.

In paragraph 3, Vick admits to being involved in dog fights at the Surry County property, and to participating in dog fights in other states.

In paragraph 4, Vick admits that the enterprise involved gambling activities in violation of Virginia law. Vick denies that he placed side bets on any fights, or that he received process from the purses. (However, he admits that he was the primary source of funds for the operation. If the winnings went only to his co-defendants, then that's less money Vick had to give them to get them to continue to tend to the operation while he was "at work" for the Atlanta Falcons.)

In paragraph 9, Vick admits that he began acquiring dogs for the operation in "2001-2002," and that the "Bad Newz Kennels" were established in 2002.

In paragraph 12, Vick admits that he knew the other defendants "killed a number of dogs" that did not perform well in testing sessions in 2002. Vick denies killing any dogs at that time.

In paragraph 32, Vick admits that in April 2007 -- the same month in which he say face-to-face with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and denied that dog fighting was occurring on his land -- he agreed with Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips to kill six-to-eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions. Here's the key passage:

"[A]ll of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK."

Case closed. He admits to gambling, and he admits to killing dogs.

Someone at ESPN has some serious explaining to do.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

NaptownChief · 08-24-2007, 02:13 PM

Probably the same POS from ESPN that was telling everyone he wouldn't ever be charged.

That One Guy · 08-24-2007, 02:14 PM

That was PFT of course, not the NFL.com link posted...

TailgateNut · 08-24-2007, 02:14 PM

HOOK, LINE and SINKER, but NO CATCH AND RELEASE!

bronco militia · 08-24-2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cah412

That was PFT of course, not the NFL.com link posted...

BOTH

frerottenextelway · 08-24-2007, 02:15 PM

Despite how PFT phrases it, he didn't admit he gambled (which is a BIG deal for sentencing, and for his potentional future NFL career).

(cut and paste the entire thing below, and remove the space to see the documents)

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0824/vick summary.pdf

Hotrod · 08-24-2007, 02:18 PM

I believe that the judge can still give him up to 5 years........and pray that he does just that.

NaptownChief · 08-24-2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I believe that the judge can still give him up to 5 years........and pray that he does just that.

That would be nice but I will be pleased with 3 years.

TailgateNut · 08-24-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I believe that the judge can still give him up to 5 years........and pray that he does just that.

...and then cart his STUPID ASS to Newport News to face State charges!

baja · 08-24-2007, 02:20 PM

Make him play without a helmet.

Hotrod · 08-24-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja fan

Make him play without a helmet.

Wait is there a doctor in the house?

Can you get a concussion with just a brain stem or do you have to actually have a fully functioning brain

bronco militia · 08-24-2007, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Despite how PFT phrases it, he didn't admit he gambled (which is a BIG deal for sentencing, and for his potentional future NFL career).

(cut and paste the entire thing below, and remove the space to see the documents)

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0824/vick summary.pdf

lol/...you are splitting hairs. Are you a Lawyer?

read paragraph 1.a on the link you provided

TailgateNut · 08-24-2007, 02:26 PM

What a dumbass, multi-million dollar contract and endorsement contracts worth mucho dinero, and the Hoodlum returns to the Hood to **** up a "wet dream"!

TailgateNut · 08-24-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco militia

lol/...you are splitting hairs. Are you a Lawyer?

read paragraph 1.a on the link you provided

and para: 4

NaptownChief · 08-24-2007, 02:29 PM

Per ESPN news story :

"He denied ever betting on the fights, only bankrolling them."

So he thinks some how that bankrolling a gambling operation isn't as bad as betting on a fight? Wow....

Antilles · 08-24-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Despite how PFT phrases it, he didn't admit he gambled (which is a BIG deal for sentencing, and for his potentional future NFL career).

(cut and paste the entire thing below, and remove the space to see the documents)

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0824/vick summary.pdf

Without looking at the statutes, I'm going to guess that the fact that "most of the bad newz operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick" is probably enough (or damn near enough) to constitute gambling.

frerottenextelway · 08-24-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco militia

lol/...you are splitting hairs. Are you a Lawyer?

No, I just play on the OM.

>>read paragraph 1.a on the link you provided

I did. There is a difference in being part of a business that involves gambling, and partaking the gambling himself. Ie., if he gambled himself, he could potentionally face a lifetime NFL ban. As is, that is probably a stretch.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 08-24-2007, 02:33 PM

Put the MF in a cage

Beantown Bronco · 08-24-2007, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Per ESPN news story :

"He denied ever betting on the fights, only bankrolling them."

So he thinks some how that bankrolling a gambling operation isn't as bad as betting on a fight? Wow....

I'm sure he knows it's as bad or worse.....but his lawyers are very good. They know that if he admits to bankrolling a betting operation but not to the actual betting, it's a whole different ballgame from a legal standpoint. People may think it's splitting hairs, but really there is a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to the law.

Rock Chalk · 08-24-2007, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

No, I just play on the OM.

>>read paragraph 1.a on the link you provided

I did. There is a difference in being part of a business that involves gambling, and partaking the gambling himself. Ie., if he gambled himself, he could potentionally face a lifetime NFL ban. As is, that is probably a stretch.

If his business is running an illegal gambling operation thats even worse than gambling itself Id imagine. The NFL will notlook kindly on it.

frerottenextelway · 08-24-2007, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antilles

Without looking at the statutes, I'm going to guess that the fact that "most of the bad newz operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick" is probably enough (or damn near enough) to constitute gambling.

Morally, there isn't much of a difference. But, if there is no prospect of winning anything, I doubt it constitutes "gambling", per se.

TailgateNut · 08-24-2007, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antilles

Without looking at the statutes, I'm going to guess that the fact that "most of the bad newz operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick" is probably enough (or damn near enough) to constitute gambling.

If he funded the operation he is involved in gambling.

Beantown Bronco · 08-24-2007, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antilles

Without looking at the statutes, I'm going to guess that the fact that "most of the bad newz operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick" is probably enough (or damn near enough) to constitute gambling.

Nope....think of it this way. If you run a convenience store that sells lotto tickets, but don't buy any yourself....are you gambling? (you may be gambling with your life because running a convenience store at night is one of the most dangerous jobs out there, but that's beside the point)

Meck77 · 08-24-2007, 02:36 PM

How does an NFL player even have the time to pull all that off?

I wonder if dog killers get the same treatment as child abusers reportedly do in prison. He should and probably will get his butt kicked a few times. I'm thinking there will be one guy who wants to be the guy who "Showed vick what it's like to be abused"......I have no pitty on him and he deserves everything coming his way. Our judicial system isn't perfect but it works most of the time.

TailgateNut · 08-24-2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Morally, there isn't much of a difference. But, if there is no prospect of winning anything, I doubt it constitutes "gambling", per se.

If the winnings/ gains are used to finance the operation, he IS WINNING something. Is that to hard to comprehend!
It's like saying: "Casino owners/ financiers are not involved in gambling", just because they don't sit a a poker table.

08-24-2007, 02:09 PM	#1
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,584	Vick Admits Everything POSTED 1:48 p.m. EDT, August 24, 2007 VICK ADMITS EVERYTHING We've reviewed in detail the plea agreement signed by Michael Vick on Thursday, along with the statement of facts. Notwithstanding the anonymous source who told the anonymous reporter at ESPN that Vick would not admit to killing dogs or to gambling, Vick admits to everything. In paragraph 1, Vick pleads guilty to conspiracy to establish, maintain, etc. an interstate gambling enterprise and conspiracy to engage in interstate dog fighting. In paragraph 2, Vick admits that the Surry County property to which he initially said he never goes was the main staging area for housing and training pit bulls for fighting. In paragraph 3, Vick admits to being involved in dog fights at the Surry County property, and to participating in dog fights in other states. In paragraph 4, Vick admits that the enterprise involved gambling activities in violation of Virginia law. Vick denies that he placed side bets on any fights, or that he received process from the purses. (However, he admits that he was the primary source of funds for the operation. If the winnings went only to his co-defendants, then that's less money Vick had to give them to get them to continue to tend to the operation while he was "at work" for the Atlanta Falcons.) In paragraph 9, Vick admits that he began acquiring dogs for the operation in "2001-2002," and that the "Bad Newz Kennels" were established in 2002. In paragraph 12, Vick admits that he knew the other defendants "killed a number of dogs" that did not perform well in testing sessions in 2002. Vick denies killing any dogs at that time. In paragraph 32, Vick admits that in April 2007 -- the same month in which he say face-to-face with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and denied that dog fighting was occurring on his land -- he agreed with Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips to kill six-to-eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions. Here's the key passage: "[A]ll of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning. VICK agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK." Case closed. He admits to gambling, and he admits to killing dogs. Someone at ESPN has some serious explaining to do. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

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08-24-2007, 02:13 PM	#2
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	Probably the same POS from ESPN that was telling everyone he wouldn't ever be charged.

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That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	That was PFT of course, not the NFL.com link posted...

08-24-2007, 02:14 PM	#4
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	HOOK, LINE and SINKER, but NO CATCH AND RELEASE!

08-24-2007, 02:15 PM	#6
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	Despite how PFT phrases it, he didn't admit he gambled (which is a BIG deal for sentencing, and for his potentional future NFL career). (cut and paste the entire thing below, and remove the space to see the documents) http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0824/vick summary.pdf

08-24-2007, 02:18 PM	#7
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	I believe that the judge can still give him up to 5 years........and pray that he does just that.

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baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,869 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Make him play without a helmet.

08-24-2007, 02:26 PM	#13
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	What a dumbass, multi-million dollar contract and endorsement contracts worth mucho dinero, and the Hoodlum returns to the Hood to **** up a "wet dream"!

08-24-2007, 02:29 PM	#15
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	Per ESPN news story : "He denied ever betting on the fights, only bankrolling them." So he thinks some how that bankrolling a gambling operation isn't as bad as betting on a fight? Wow....

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Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Put the MF in a cage

08-24-2007, 02:36 PM	#24
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,310	How does an NFL player even have the time to pull all that off? I wonder if dog killers get the same treatment as child abusers reportedly do in prison. He should and probably will get his butt kicked a few times. I'm thinking there will be one guy who wants to be the guy who "Showed vick what it's like to be abused"......I have no pitty on him and he deserves everything coming his way. Our judicial system isn't perfect but it works most of the time.