Warren one very large bust - The Orange Mane

dragondawg · 08-14-2007, 03:11 AM

Warren one very large bust
By Mark Kiszla
Denver Post Staff Columnist

San Francisco - They called him "Big Money." And the Broncos blew it big time on defensive tackle Gerard Warren.

Easy come, easy go.

The rapid rise and unexpected fall of Warren's career in blue and orange has ended with a thud. When a 325-pound man gets knocked on his keister as a big, fat bust, the shock waves can be felt throughout the Denver locker room.

Something tells me shaking up the team is exactly what coach Mike Shanahan had in mind by making a $10 million example of Warren. He figures to be traded as soon as the Broncos can find an NFL team willing to give them anything of marginal worth - an old, scratched copy of a Madden video game and half a bag of Cheetos might close the deal - in return for the 29-year-old defender.

As Warren has painfully discovered, Shanahan does not forgive his mistakes.

He erases them.

When Warren began to vanish from participation in the team's twice-daily workouts, safety John Lynch began to find it strange enough to suspect the disappearing act had nothing to do with giving a veteran teammate a little rest and relaxation.

"We get some one-a-days, but no one gets no-a-days. And (Warren) was getting some no-a-days," Lynch said Monday night after the Broncos beat San Francisco 17-13. "When you've been around, you tend to know something's up."

For two seasons, Warren often appeared to be an immovable object in the middle of the Denver defensive line.

Not much more than a year ago, the Broncos patted him on the back and stuffed his wallet with a six-year, $36 million contract.

But that won't stop Shanahan from kicking Warren out the door.

When the coach has a beef, Shanahan will swallow hard and eat the losses incurred from roughly $10 million in bonuses the team presented Warren before this relationship went sour.

As the Broncos hit the road for their exhibition opener, Warren was left at home, because Shanahan thought the team had a trade it now hopes to finalize within 24 hours.

How did it all go wrong so quickly between Warren and the Broncos?

For a pretty strong hint, you did not have to read very far between the lines when Jim Bates, the new assistant coach in charge of the Denver defense's extreme makeover, recently detailed his tough expectations and tougher love for players.

Any defender unable or unwilling to work to his exacting standards, Bates made clear, risked a pink slip in the envelope where a paycheck once could be found.

"It's adjusting physically to a new defense and different techniques for the player. But it's also a mental approach. We can't have a player out there who's not accountable, who's busting alignments, busting assignments," Bates said.

"No. 1, you have to have a guy who's willing to adjust, because we've changed a lot of defensive techniques. If the player is not willing to adjust, we're not going to be able to use him."

With hindsight, even a fool like me can recognize the Broncos wagered far too much money on a player who proved to be a bad fit for a new defense that requires interior linemen to sacrifice their bodies and egos by doing down-and-dirty grunt work.

While the history of Shanahan's budget-busting personnel errors is covered in red ink, the coach does not wallow in his mistakes.

"Coach Shanahan is the head man, he makes the decisions. He's the captain of the ship. Whatever he says goes, and I'm taking right off with him," said defensive end Kenard Lang, also stuck in a battle for a roster spot. "He has won two Super Bowls, so obviously he knows something we don't know."

If Warren can no longer play a major role for Denver, maybe Broncos management had trouble envisioning him sitting quietly in a locker room that must deal with the shaky unity inherent for a team that figures to have as many as 11 new starters from the lineup that opened the 2006 season.

"Right here in San Fran, you saw Joe Montana get shipped out. He was maybe the biggest icon in the history of the game. And it happened to me in Tampa Bay," Lynch said. "So nothing does shock me."

Although Warren made nearly 100 tackles in two seasons for Denver, the art of this deal will be for the Broncos to find a team willing to trade so much as a late-round draft choice for him.

After being the No. 3 pick in the first round by Cleveland in 2001, Warren has now worn out his welcome in two NFL cities, and only a team truly desperate for defensive-line help would risk playing the fool again.

If the Broncos need to cut Warren, so be it.

The doghouse of Shanahan is built to the same specifications as a roach motel. The front door has no exit. Offending athletes check in. But they don't check out.

From Trevor Pryce to Jake Plummer, better players than Warren have wasted Denver's money and paid with their jobs.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6616895

footstepsfrom#27 · 08-14-2007, 04:07 AM

I thought it was kind of funny we didnt' seem to hear much about him from the camp reporters.

yerner · 08-14-2007, 04:10 AM

The whole thing is just weird. How can I guy get that type of money and be completely expendable?

Taco John · 08-14-2007, 04:16 AM

I wish people would warn me so that I didn't have to waste any time clicking on a Kiszla thread...

Old Dude · 08-14-2007, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerner

The whole thing is just weird. How can I guy get that type of money and be completely expendable?

These days, the more money you make, the greater your expendability if you don't produce.

baja · 08-14-2007, 06:32 AM

This article should really help the Broncos with the Warren trade. Kiszia should be barred from Dove Valley.

chrisp · 08-14-2007, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja fan

This article should really help the Broncos with the Warren trade. Kiszia should be barred from Dove Valley.

My thoughts entirely. His unflinching negativity is bad enough, but on this occasion just the timing of the article makes me want to jump on a plane to Denver and punch him in the mouth.

Then again, I'm not sure I'd want to waste any time during my first ever trip to the land of the Broncos on that little jerk....

Meck77 · 08-14-2007, 07:49 AM

Sooner or later the Post is going to realize they've wasted "big money" on Kiszla.

ND Bronco Fan · 08-14-2007, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meck77

Sooner or later the Post is going to realize they've wasted "big money" on Kiszla.

Been waiting a long time for that lightbulb to turn on..........

Rohirrim · 08-14-2007, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

I wish people would warn me so that I didn't have to waste any time clicking on a Kiszla thread...

Let's make a rule; You have to put "Kizla" in the thread title. Then, everybody will know in advance that it's butt wipe.

bronco militia · 08-14-2007, 10:28 AM

"We get some one-a-days, but no one gets no-a-days. And (Warren) was getting some no-a-days," Lynch said Monday night after the Broncos beat San Francisco 17-13. "When you've been around, you tend to know something's up."

"It's adjusting physically to a new defense and different techniques for the player. But it's also a mental approach. We can't have a player out there who's not accountable, who's busting alignments, busting assignments," Bates said.

"No. 1, you have to have a guy who's willing to adjust, because we've changed a lot of defensive techniques. If the player is not willing to adjust, we're not going to be able to use him."

of course these quotes are the meat of the article...too bad the rest is Kizla trying to 'one up' Shanny.

but this quote was priceless...bwahaha

The doghouse of Shanahan is built to the same specifications as a roach motel. The front door has no exit. Offending athletes check in. But they don't check out

theAPAOps5 · 08-14-2007, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

I wish people would warn me so that I didn't have to waste any time clicking on a Kiszla thread...

Note to Dragon, the boss wants threads with Kiszla articles noted as do. I saw the name and new it was going to be a load of suck.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 08-14-2007, 04:59 PM

Could be worse. Yesterday Irv and Joe were lamenting on whether Mike meyers would be able to step up and take his place.

bronco militia · 08-14-2007, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Clyde Puckett

Could be worse. Yesterday Irv and Joe were lamenting on whether Mike meyers would be able to step up and take his place.

that's a lot worse

and I can't get am1510 down here in the Springs!

~Crash~ · 08-14-2007, 05:15 PM

Thing is we realy sucked at stoping the run monday lets hope warren was not the reason... I will say this the LBers seemed to not know were they should be ?!!?

Kaylore · 08-14-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meck77

Sooner or later the Post is going to realize they've wasted "big money" on Kiszla.

bombquixote · 08-14-2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisp

My thoughts entirely. His unflinching negativity is bad enough, but on this occasion just the timing of the article makes me want to jump on a plane to Denver and punch him in the mouth.

Then again, I'm not sure I'd want to waste any time during my first ever trip to the land of the Broncos on that little jerk....

Kizla is a journalist (or at least masquerades as one) and a columnist (yes, a crappy one), which means his job is to reveal and opine, not keep things under his hat. Keeping things on the down low is up to the team. That Warren is on the block in the first place is indication enough to any team willing to negotiate for him that something is up. Also, they do have access to several seasons' worth of tape on him. It's not like they're going to pick up the DP today and be like, "Whoa, hey, Kizla's down on this guy, maybe we shouldn't give Denver out first-round pick next year and second the year after." No, they almost certainly already know Warren is a big sack of potato chips worth exactly a fifth rounder.

Bob · 08-14-2007, 07:45 PM

I liked Warren -- last year when his feet were hurting him, his play was hampered, but when healthy I thought he played well. Sam Adams is good for how many downs? We have a talented rookie, at DT, but I wonder when some team is ramming the ball down our throats -- how many on this board will bring up Warren and lement. So how did we look against the run on Sunday?

Jana® · 08-14-2007, 07:49 PM

Do you guys really think Warren is that bad to deserve such a harsh kiss off?

Los Broncos · 08-14-2007, 08:24 PM

At first read i thought it was about his man boobs.

theAPAOps5 · 08-14-2007, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jana®

Do you guys really think Warren is that bad to deserve such a harsh kiss off?

No, but he isn't that good to be that upset about it either. Kiszla is drama queen, and a joke. He is not liked in the Locker Room and will stab any player, coach, even fans in the back.

I remember he used to be on one of those panelist shows on Fox Sports Rocky Mountain, it had other writers and a few players. Kiszla had been really ripping the Defense and it came up on the show. The player, can't remember his name but was a backup, called him out and Kiszla tried to back track. I thought there was going to be a Jim Rome vs. Jim/Chris Evrett.

ZONA · 08-14-2007, 08:39 PM

He won't be cut. No matter if he is in the doghouse or not, there are always teams looking to add a big body in the middle. Plenty of teams out there in which Warren is still probably as good as what they have. Shanny will probably put some guy he wants to keep on the 53 man roster on IR for a few weeks after the last cuts are made and keep Warren. Nobody is getting him for free. There will be bidders, especially as the preseason moves on and dudes end up injured. I bet somebody throws a 4th round pick at us for him. It's no different then what we did with the guy from the Rams (Kenedy?). He was a 1st round bust also, but we ponied up a pick didn't we. Some other team will do the same for Warren.

DenverBrit · 08-14-2007, 09:07 PM

Kiszla has E Mail.
Spam him to death with well thought out responses to his article.

08-14-2007, 03:11 AM	#1
dragondawg All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,009	Warren one very large bust Warren one very large bust By Mark Kiszla Denver Post Staff Columnist San Francisco - They called him "Big Money." And the Broncos blew it big time on defensive tackle Gerard Warren. Easy come, easy go. The rapid rise and unexpected fall of Warren's career in blue and orange has ended with a thud. When a 325-pound man gets knocked on his keister as a big, fat bust, the shock waves can be felt throughout the Denver locker room. Something tells me shaking up the team is exactly what coach Mike Shanahan had in mind by making a $10 million example of Warren. He figures to be traded as soon as the Broncos can find an NFL team willing to give them anything of marginal worth - an old, scratched copy of a Madden video game and half a bag of Cheetos might close the deal - in return for the 29-year-old defender. As Warren has painfully discovered, Shanahan does not forgive his mistakes. He erases them. When Warren began to vanish from participation in the team's twice-daily workouts, safety John Lynch began to find it strange enough to suspect the disappearing act had nothing to do with giving a veteran teammate a little rest and relaxation. "We get some one-a-days, but no one gets no-a-days. And (Warren) was getting some no-a-days," Lynch said Monday night after the Broncos beat San Francisco 17-13. "When you've been around, you tend to know something's up." For two seasons, Warren often appeared to be an immovable object in the middle of the Denver defensive line. Not much more than a year ago, the Broncos patted him on the back and stuffed his wallet with a six-year, $36 million contract. But that won't stop Shanahan from kicking Warren out the door. When the coach has a beef, Shanahan will swallow hard and eat the losses incurred from roughly $10 million in bonuses the team presented Warren before this relationship went sour. As the Broncos hit the road for their exhibition opener, Warren was left at home, because Shanahan thought the team had a trade it now hopes to finalize within 24 hours. How did it all go wrong so quickly between Warren and the Broncos? For a pretty strong hint, you did not have to read very far between the lines when Jim Bates, the new assistant coach in charge of the Denver defense's extreme makeover, recently detailed his tough expectations and tougher love for players. Any defender unable or unwilling to work to his exacting standards, Bates made clear, risked a pink slip in the envelope where a paycheck once could be found. "It's adjusting physically to a new defense and different techniques for the player. But it's also a mental approach. We can't have a player out there who's not accountable, who's busting alignments, busting assignments," Bates said. "No. 1, you have to have a guy who's willing to adjust, because we've changed a lot of defensive techniques. If the player is not willing to adjust, we're not going to be able to use him." With hindsight, even a fool like me can recognize the Broncos wagered far too much money on a player who proved to be a bad fit for a new defense that requires interior linemen to sacrifice their bodies and egos by doing down-and-dirty grunt work. While the history of Shanahan's budget-busting personnel errors is covered in red ink, the coach does not wallow in his mistakes. "Coach Shanahan is the head man, he makes the decisions. He's the captain of the ship. Whatever he says goes, and I'm taking right off with him," said defensive end Kenard Lang, also stuck in a battle for a roster spot. "He has won two Super Bowls, so obviously he knows something we don't know." If Warren can no longer play a major role for Denver, maybe Broncos management had trouble envisioning him sitting quietly in a locker room that must deal with the shaky unity inherent for a team that figures to have as many as 11 new starters from the lineup that opened the 2006 season. "Right here in San Fran, you saw Joe Montana get shipped out. He was maybe the biggest icon in the history of the game. And it happened to me in Tampa Bay," Lynch said. "So nothing does shock me." Although Warren made nearly 100 tackles in two seasons for Denver, the art of this deal will be for the Broncos to find a team willing to trade so much as a late-round draft choice for him. After being the No. 3 pick in the first round by Cleveland in 2001, Warren has now worn out his welcome in two NFL cities, and only a team truly desperate for defensive-line help would risk playing the fool again. If the Broncos need to cut Warren, so be it. The doghouse of Shanahan is built to the same specifications as a roach motel. The front door has no exit. Offending athletes check in. But they don't check out. From Trevor Pryce to Jake Plummer, better players than Warren have wasted Denver's money and paid with their jobs. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6616895

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08-14-2007, 04:07 AM	#2
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,126 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	I thought it was kind of funny we didnt' seem to hear much about him from the camp reporters.

08-14-2007, 04:10 AM	#3
yerner Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlottesville VA Posts: 3,316	The whole thing is just weird. How can I guy get that type of money and be completely expendable?

08-14-2007, 04:16 AM	#4
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I wish people would warn me so that I didn't have to waste any time clicking on a Kiszla thread...

08-14-2007, 06:32 AM	#6
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: in a bunker Posts: 54,381 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius Thomas	This article should really help the Broncos with the Warren trade. Kiszia should be barred from Dove Valley.

08-14-2007, 07:49 AM	#8
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,324	Sooner or later the Post is going to realize they've wasted "big money" on Kiszla.

08-14-2007, 10:28 AM	#11
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,712	"We get some one-a-days, but no one gets no-a-days. And (Warren) was getting some no-a-days," Lynch said Monday night after the Broncos beat San Francisco 17-13. "When you've been around, you tend to know something's up." "It's adjusting physically to a new defense and different techniques for the player. But it's also a mental approach. We can't have a player out there who's not accountable, who's busting alignments, busting assignments," Bates said. "No. 1, you have to have a guy who's willing to adjust, because we've changed a lot of defensive techniques. If the player is not willing to adjust, we're not going to be able to use him." of course these quotes are the meat of the article...too bad the rest is Kizla trying to 'one up' Shanny. but this quote was priceless...bwahaha *The doghouse of Shanahan is built to the same specifications as a roach motel. The front door has no exit. Offending athletes check in. But they don't check out*

08-14-2007, 04:59 PM	#13
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Could be worse. Yesterday Irv and Joe were lamenting on whether Mike meyers would be able to step up and take his place.

08-14-2007, 05:15 PM	#15
~Crash~ My new dog Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,600 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kuper	Thing is we realy sucked at stoping the run monday lets hope warren was not the reason... I will say this the LBers seemed to not know were they should be ?!!?

08-14-2007, 07:45 PM	#18
Bob Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,330	I liked Warren -- last year when his feet were hurting him, his play was hampered, but when healthy I thought he played well. Sam Adams is good for how many downs? We have a talented rookie, at DT, but I wonder when some team is ramming the ball down our throats -- how many on this board will bring up Warren and lement. So how did we look against the run on Sunday?

08-14-2007, 07:49 PM	#19
Jana® World's cutest Bronco Fan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Anywhere but here! Posts: 1,399 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ed McCaffrey ;)	Do you guys really think Warren is that bad to deserve such a harsh kiss off?

08-14-2007, 08:24 PM	#20
Los Broncos Flaw Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 18,803 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	At first read i thought it was about his man boobs.

08-14-2007, 08:39 PM	#22
ZONA Ring of Famer If you smacked your screen, hahaha Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,492 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	He won't be cut. No matter if he is in the doghouse or not, there are always teams looking to add a big body in the middle. Plenty of teams out there in which Warren is still probably as good as what they have. Shanny will probably put some guy he wants to keep on the 53 man roster on IR for a few weeks after the last cuts are made and keep Warren. Nobody is getting him for free. There will be bidders, especially as the preseason moves on and dudes end up injured. I bet somebody throws a 4th round pick at us for him. It's no different then what we did with the guy from the Rams (Kenedy?). He was a 1st round bust also, but we ponied up a pick didn't we. Some other team will do the same for Warren.

08-14-2007, 09:07 PM	#23
DenverBrit Just hanging out. Got a breath mint?? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 11,119 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Team	Kiszla has E Mail. Spam him to death with well thought out responses to his article.