Rivers didn't look good to me on NFL Netowrk - The Orange Mane

ZONA · 08-04-2007, 08:36 PM

I watched the Chargers camp and a few things I noticed.

Rivers was not that accurate with long throws downfield and I know it's only camp but several times I counted to 5 before he released the ball in the pocket. I hope he thinks he's gonna have that kinda time when the regular season comes

LT looked fast on the edges - what else is new there.

WoodMan · 08-04-2007, 08:56 PM

He worked on his game during the off-season. Oh yeah, that was his golf game!

Maybe his foot is still bothering him.

Popcorn Sutton · 08-04-2007, 09:07 PM

Who, Shotput?

CBF1 · 08-04-2007, 10:53 PM

I thought the same thing about Rivers when I was watching this afternoon.

theAPAOps5 · 08-04-2007, 10:56 PM

I thought it was weird watching it and there were no fans. Actually, I might be wrong I bet all 20 of them were off camera.

JJJ · 08-04-2007, 10:58 PM

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I thought it was weird watching it and there were no fans. Actually, I might be wrong I bet all 20 of them were off camera.

For the record there were 4 thousand fans there that evening.

theAPAOps5 · 08-04-2007, 11:00 PM

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For the record there were 4 thousand fans there that evening.

Ah gotcha ya. Didn't see them on TV, didn't hear them cheer. Probably still figuring out who is who. I mean there is a lot learn for all the new fans.

Sodak · 08-04-2007, 11:00 PM

We could only be so lucky that Rivers could somehow suck this season, but he won't. Don't get too excited just yet.

theAPAOps5 · 08-04-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sodak

We could only be so lucky that Rivers could somehow suck this season, but he won't. Don't get too excited just yet.

I agree, I think we should plan on seeing a very good QB. Plus TC is supposed to be where you look bad and work out the kinks and timing.

Merlin · 08-04-2007, 11:33 PM

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We could only be so lucky that Rivers could somehow suck this season, but he won't. Don't get too excited just yet.

I still have high hopes. He virtually collapsed under pressure in the last quarter of last season, and with the exception of Denver (which could not pressure a college team last yr), the last third of the season he looked very avg if not mediocre. In true Sandi eggo fashion he should continue his decline.

JJJ · 08-04-2007, 11:44 PM

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I still have high hopes. He virtually collapsed under pressure in the last quarter of last season, and with the exception of Denver (which could not pressure a college team last yr), the last third of the season he looked very avg if not mediocre. In true Sandi eggo fashion he should continue his decline.

I agree he had a pretty tough stretch in the last 6 games. The backhalf of the season he started throwing off his back foot a lot. Don't think it was pressure though. There was probably more pressure at the beginning of the season when he had to prove himself replacing a pro-bowler. It is a long season and first year guys get tired I think. Cutler might have had the same issue if he had started in game 1.

Hopefully they fixed his footwork in the offseason. You throw off the back foot in this league and you are dead.

Merlin · 08-04-2007, 11:50 PM

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Don't think it was pressure though. There was probably more pressure at the beginning of the season when he had to prove himself replacing a pro-bowler.

Sorry for my lack of clarity. By pressure I meant pressure from the opposing D. However, I do agree that his mechanics started to falter, but I concluded that he was picking up bad habits as he began to succumb to the blitzes and pressures of the latter third of the season.

That One Guy · 08-04-2007, 11:57 PM

I don't remember which game it was but I believe there was a game or two where they just made Rivers look pretty bad with the blitzes somewhere in the middle of the season. Am I remember it correctly? If I am, that'd explain the downfall. You figure someone's weaknesses out and the ballgame's over.

JJJ · 08-05-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

Sorry for my lack of clarity. By pressure I meant pressure from the opposing D. However, I do agree that his mechanics started to falter, but I concluded that he was picking up bad habits as he began to succumb to the blitzes and pressures of the latter third of the season.

Got it. Understood.

Footwork is the key for Rivers IMO. When he got hit with that pressure alot of wiggling feet (not at the level of happy feet though) and passes where he was doing little leaps and things. He had an injury to the leg for several games and his bad footwork seemed to get worse at that point. Coaches are supposed to see that stuff in a first year guy and correct it. Hopefully they did.

I give Cuts credit, he seems to stand pretty firm in the pocket. Can't argue with the guys mechanics.

theAPAOps5 · 08-05-2007, 12:47 AM

Cutler has to translate that to game though. His pocket prescence last year was one of his weaknesses. His TC presence is completely different. He is stepping up sliding out, and looking of the S and DBs. I can't wait to see what game situations look like.

As for Rivers. It kind of became the norm to blitz him late in the season. If he works on that I bet he can overcome that weakness. If he didn't then look out.

Casper Bronco · 08-05-2007, 12:56 AM

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You throw off the back foot in this league and you are dead.

Wrongo buddy! If you can't throw off the back foot you are dead.

JJJ · 08-05-2007, 01:11 AM

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Wrongo buddy! If you can't throw off the back foot you are dead.

Don't agree at all. Even strong arm QBs like Cutler get in all kinds of trouble if they do anything more than throw 5 yard dinks or swing passes off the backfoot. The good ones find a way to throw off the left foot even when they are scrambling.

As for Rivers at least he doesn't have to worry too much about pressure when playing Denver. JMoss won't be the savior there. It will have to come from Lynch. And to stay away from Champ and Dre you will see a lot of Gates and LT in the flat.

theAPAOps5 · 08-05-2007, 01:14 AM

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Don't agree at all. Even strong arm QBs like Cutler get in all kinds of trouble if they do anything more than throw 5 yard dinks or swing passes off the backfoot. The good ones find a way to throw off the left foot even when they are scrambling.

As for Rivers at least he doesn't have to worry too much about pressure when playing Denver. JMoss won't be the savior there. It will have to come from Lynch. And to stay away from Champ and Dre you will see a lot of Gates and LT in the flat.

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Oh I wouldn't be so sure. Its not just Moss but Denver added some others that will be key contributors. The most being Jim Bates. You can assume Denver won't have a rush again but I think you will be surprised.

serious hops · 08-05-2007, 01:36 AM

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Wrongo buddy! If you can't throw off the back foot you are dead.

I remember Phil Simms addressing exactly that point during a broadcast a few years ago. Can't quote him word for word, but it was to the effect that "you don't want to throw off your back foot when you don't have to, but if you can't make some throws off it when you need to, you won't last long in this league." Admittedly Simms gets on my nerves a lot, and I never considered him an elite quarterback, but he does know a bit about playing QB in the NFL.

broncofan2438 · 08-05-2007, 01:41 AM

who gives a crap, everyone is on the chuggers jock, but i will be sittin laughin when they choke it again, maybe we can see LT cry like a b i t c h again

JJJ · 08-05-2007, 01:52 AM

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who gives a crap, everyone is on the chuggers jock, but i will be sittin laughin when they choke it again, maybe we can see LT cry like a b i t c h again

From this post it is quite clear why they try to keep Californians out of Colorado.

broncofan2438 · 08-05-2007, 01:58 AM

What is that supposed to mean, i am a Broncos fan trapped in cali, i grew up in colorado, why wouldnt the colroadains want me?

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From this post it is quite clear why they try to keep Californians out of Colorado.

boltaneer · 08-05-2007, 05:38 AM

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As for Rivers. It kind of became the norm to blitz him late in the season. If he works on that I bet he can overcome that weakness. If he didn't then look out.

A couple of people have said this in the past and it's just not true.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...?playerId=5529

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SPLIT   CMP 	ATT 	YDS 	CMP% 	YPA 	 TD 	INT 	SACK 	RAT 	
Blitz	85 	144 	1107 	59.0 	7.69 	 11 	3 	16.0 	100.1

Rivers had some bad games down the stretch. I give him a pass on the Buffalo and Seattle games because they were played in pretty bad weather. Losman and Hasselbeck had horrible games as well.

The Raiders and Chiefs didn't blitz a whole lot. But they manned up on the receivers and did a good job on coverage. The biggest problem with the Chargers WRs right now is their lack of ability to get separation. They found a weakness in San Diego's offense and attacked it.

Just looking at the box score, his stats won't show it but he played pretty well in the playoff game (he did throw that one bad INT intended for LT). The problem with the offense that day was the receivers not showing up and Cameron inexplicably using LT as a decoy in the second half.

The single biggest difference between Brees and Rivers has been Rivers ability to handle the blitz. Look at Brees' split stats from 2006. Just like in years past when he's put up some gaudy numbers, he still struggles against the blitz. It's not something I put the blame on him for though. I think his height hinders his ability to see the field when he doesn't have adequate time.

Anyway, back to the Chargers... Craig Davis looks like he can definitely be a weapon for Rivers as he has the ability to get good separation. I think Jackson may not be quick and agile enough to ever reach that point. He's got to be people with straight speed and using his height and body to shield out defenders. Parker is decent at getting separation but more on the short routes, nothing to scare a defense. Floyd is decent in that department and he seems to be improving. He just needs to stay healthy and keep gaining more experience.

Dedhed · 08-05-2007, 07:38 AM

I've been compiling a list of the biggest disappointments of the 2007 NFL season, and I have Philip Rivers ranked at #2 currently. He trails only the New England Patriots, who have already been given another ring by most NFL pundits.

Rivers had a terrible finishto the season, which Sandy fans want to disregard, but which I think are real cracks which will be exploited by a number of teams this year. LT had the best year he's going to have in 2006, and from here on out he'll be giving Rivers less and less backup. That is not to say that LT still won't be the offensive MVP in 2007, but he carried that team last year and can't continue to do so much longer.

I don't think Rivers has the kind of ability to make up for the inevitable decline in LT, or the Norv factor.

400HZ · 08-05-2007, 10:04 AM

I thought Rivers really bounced back well from that KC/Seattle slump. He shredded Arizona while playing on a severely screwed up foot, and even though the stats don't show it he was throwing strikes against New England too. That slump he hit wasn't just on himself, it also had a lot to do with the WR corps being decimated by injuries and the O line taking a step back in pass protection for some reason. Besides, why is it so shocking that a first year starter hit a bump in the road? It's a growth process. If Cutler has a couple bad games, which the law of averages says he probably will, are you gonna just chalk him up as a failure?

08-04-2007, 08:36 PM	#1
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,363 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Rivers didn't look good to me on NFL Netowrk I watched the Chargers camp and a few things I noticed. Rivers was not that accurate with long throws downfield and I know it's only camp but several times I counted to 5 before he released the ball in the pocket. I hope he thinks he's gonna have that kinda time when the regular season comes LT looked fast on the edges - what else is new there.

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08-04-2007, 08:56 PM	#2
WoodMan Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 1,327	He worked on his game during the off-season. Oh yeah, that was his golf game! Maybe his foot is still bothering him.

08-04-2007, 09:07 PM	#3
Popcorn Sutton Ring of Famer Don't mess with Popcorn Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Who cares Posts: 3,757 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jacob Tamme	Who, Shotput?

08-04-2007, 10:53 PM	#4
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	I thought the same thing about Rivers when I was watching this afternoon.

08-04-2007, 10:56 PM	#5
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	I thought it was weird watching it and there were no fans. Actually, I might be wrong I bet all 20 of them were off camera.

08-04-2007, 11:00 PM	#8
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	We could only be so lucky that Rivers could somehow suck this season, but he won't. Don't get too excited just yet.

08-04-2007, 11:57 PM	#13
That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I don't remember which game it was but I believe there was a game or two where they just made Rivers look pretty bad with the blitzes somewhere in the middle of the season. Am I remember it correctly? If I am, that'd explain the downfall. You figure someone's weaknesses out and the ballgame's over.

08-05-2007, 12:47 AM	#15
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Cutler has to translate that to game though. His pocket prescence last year was one of his weaknesses. His TC presence is completely different. He is stepping up sliding out, and looking of the S and DBs. I can't wait to see what game situations look like. As for Rivers. It kind of became the norm to blitz him late in the season. If he works on that I bet he can overcome that weakness. If he didn't then look out.

08-05-2007, 01:41 AM	#20
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	who gives a crap, everyone is on the chuggers jock, but i will be sittin laughin when they choke it again, maybe we can see LT cry like a b i t c h again

08-05-2007, 07:38 AM	#24
Dedhed Ring of Famer Fare thee well Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 9,702 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	I've been compiling a list of the biggest disappointments of the 2007 NFL season, and I have Philip Rivers ranked at #2 currently. He trails only the New England Patriots, who have already been given another ring by most NFL pundits. Rivers had a terrible finishto the season, which Sandy fans want to disregard, but which I think are real cracks which will be exploited by a number of teams this year. LT had the best year he's going to have in 2006, and from here on out he'll be giving Rivers less and less backup. That is not to say that LT still won't be the offensive MVP in 2007, but he carried that team last year and can't continue to do so much longer. I don't think Rivers has the kind of ability to make up for the inevitable decline in LT, or the Norv factor.

08-05-2007, 10:04 AM	#25
400HZ Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,342 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ed Hochuli	I thought Rivers really bounced back well from that KC/Seattle slump. He shredded Arizona while playing on a severely screwed up foot, and even though the stats don't show it he was throwing strikes against New England too. That slump he hit wasn't just on himself, it also had a lot to do with the WR corps being decimated by injuries and the O line taking a step back in pass protection for some reason. Besides, why is it so shocking that a first year starter hit a bump in the road? It's a growth process. If Cutler has a couple bad games, which the law of averages says he probably will, are you gonna just chalk him up as a failure?