Domestic Spying on Americans Broader Than Known - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 08-01-2007, 01:00 PM

This whole event alone should have the entire Bush cartel in chains somewhere.

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White House says spying broader than known
Wed Aug 1, 12:28 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration's top intelligence official has acknowledged that a controversial domestic surveillance program was only one part of a much broader spying effort, The Washington Post reported in its Wednesday edition.

Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell wrote in a letter that other aspects of the National Security Agency's domestic spying program remain classified, the Post said.

"That is the only aspect of the NSA activities that can be discussed publicly because it is the only aspect of those various activities whose existence has been officially acknowledged," McConnell wrote, according to the Post.

Bush acknowledged the existence of a program that monitored domestic phone calls and e-mails without court oversight in December 2005. The administration has not confirmed other secret spying efforts reported by news outlets, such as one that searched millions of telephone records.

Bush signed an executive order that authorized "a number of ... intelligence activities" following the hijacking attacks of September 11, 2001, McConnell wrote.

The warrantless wiretapping program was put under court supervision in January but the administration now wants Congress to allow it to do many of the same activities without a court order.

The letter was sent on Tuesday to Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The letter was written to defend Attorney General Alberto

Gonzales, who has been under attack over his testimony to Congress about the warrantless spying program, the Post said.

Traveler · 08-01-2007, 01:50 PM

So now we find out this administration has been doing more illegal activities than reported earlier.

Where does it end?

Crushaholic · 08-01-2007, 03:31 PM

Mike McConnell needs to keep his trap shut about this. We don't know how many people there are in America who want to do harm to other Americans.

Bronco_Beerslug · 08-01-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Mike McConnell needs to keep his trap shut about this. We don't know how many people there are in America who want to do harm to other Americans.

Exactly.........NOT! Congress needs to know exactly how many Americans were spied on and by what means by this administration. Our Constitution is far more valuable than throwing away freedoms on the whim of the Bush cartel.

alkemical · 08-02-2007, 09:44 AM

SO i wasn't really paranoid

??

alkemical · 08-10-2007, 11:25 AM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...0456534&pnum=2

Facebook - the CIA conspiracy

Wikipedia's IAO page says: "the IAO has the stated mission to gather as much information as possible about everyone, in a centralised location, for easy perusal by the United States government, including (though not limited to) internet activity, credit card purchase histories, airline ticket purchases, car rentals, medical records, educational transcripts, driver's licenses, utility bills, tax returns, and any other available data.".

Now the internet conspiracy theorists are citing Facebook as the IAO's new mask.

Parts of the IAO's technology round-up included 'human network analysis and behaviour model building engines', which Facebook's massive volume of neatly-targeted data gathering allows for.

Facebook's own Terms of use state: "by posting Member Content to any part of the Web site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, reformat, translate, excerpt and distribute such information and content and to prepare derivative works of, or incorpoate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorise sublicenses of the foregoing.

Garcia Bronco · 08-10-2007, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Mike McConnell needs to keep his trap shut about this. We don't know how many people there are in America who want to do harm to other Americans.

Exactly.

Bronco Bob · 08-10-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Exactly.

Well, we know of two who do.

TailgateNut · 08-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Mike McConnell needs to keep his trap shut about this. We don't know how many people there are in America who want to do harm to other Americans.

I know of a few. Namely George Bush, Dick Cheney, .........

Bronco Bob · 08-10-2007, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I know of a few. Namely George Bush, Dick Cheney, .........

Yeah, those were the two I had in mind. Just didn't want to come out
and say it in case they are spying on this board.

Crushaholic · 08-10-2007, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Yeah, those were the two I had in mind. Just didn't want to come out
and say it in case they are spying on this board.

I'm sure that's what they are doing with their time in Washington...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-10-2007, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We don't know how many people there are in America who want to do harm to other Americans.

But we do know that the president has all the powers he needs to conduct surveillance of these people without breaking the law.

That's what makes your argument absurd.

Crushaholic · 08-10-2007, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

But we do know that the president has all the powers he needs to conduct surveillance of these people without breaking the law.

That's what makes your argument absurd.

What's absurd is people thinking that somehow their rights are being violated because the government is making sure they aren't involved in terrorist activities. It's no more complicated than that.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 08-10-2007, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

What's absurd is people thinking that somehow their rights are being violated because the government is making sure they aren't involved in terrorist activities. It's no more complicated than that.

What's absurd is people thinking it's OK for the president to declare he is above the law.

Garcia Bronco · 08-10-2007, 06:21 PM

According to the President, he had the right to perform these without court approval out of the Patriot Act to monitor out bound communications to foreign countries. If that the case, I don't have a problem with it. the only way I would begin to have a problem with this is if it was done for politcal gain.

Bronco Bob · 08-10-2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

According to the President, he had the right to perform these without court approval out of the Patriot Act to monitor out bound communications to foreign countries. If that the case, I don't have a problem with it. the only way I would begin to have a problem with this is if it was done for politcal gain.

That's the problem. With no oversight by an independent judge, how does anyone else know who or what they are monitoring?
Nixon would have loved to have had something like this.

TailgateNut · 08-12-2007, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

According to the President, he had the right to perform these without court approval out of the Patriot Act to monitor out bound communications to foreign countries. If that the case, I don't have a problem with it. the only way I would begin to have a problem with this is if it was done for politcal gain.

ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT he has the right to do whatever the **** he pleases, regardless of laws, rules and statutes.
He DECIDES, and we should just sit back and BELIEVE!

Sorry, but I refuse to be GULLIBLE!

alkemical · 08-13-2007, 12:51 AM

Giant Robotic Spy Blimp Creeps Forward

Imagine a blimp so freakin' huge, you could fit an entire, 1000-foot aircraft carrier inside. And the radar at heart of that monster zeppelin? Well, that would be as big as the 15-story hotel where DARPA, the Pentagon's mad science division, is holding its conference.

DARPA first proposed a king-sized, robotic airship, four years ago. The idea was to have the blimp is at nearly 65,000 feet in the sky, spotting enemies up to 180 miles away, and watching out for incoming cruise missiles 350 miles in the distance. During down times, ISIS might even serve as a cell tower in the sky, relaying communications to U.S. troops.

It didn't take long, though, to realize that such a ginormous undertaking was going to be tough to pull off -- even for a group was way-out as DARPA. So, instead, the agency refocused its "Integrated Sensor is Structure" (ISIS) blimp effort, looking at component technologies instead: stuff like solar panels, fuel cells, and flexible radar arrays.

Fast forward a few years. Now, ISIS program manager Tim Clark says, those components are starting to prove out. Clark set a goal of 400 kilowatt hours per kilogram for the blimp's power structure -- everything from the fuel cells to the solar panels to the cables in between. DARPA-funded researchers are likely to hit 700 kilowatt hours in upcoming tests, he tells DANGER ROOM.

"I'm feeling very comfortable. Things are no longer over the horizon. Now it's a manufacturing issue," Clark adds.

And one of Pentagon politics. DARPA wants to build a prototype, third-scale model of the blimp -- one that'll be a mere football-field long, and stay up for 90 days at a time. But it needs one of the armed services to help pay for it. So far, no takers. "We're not going foward without service participation. But that level of participation is TBD," Clark says.

Assuming they can get, say, the Air Force to play ball -- and assuming that first prototype works -- the eventual goal is to get a carrier-sized, unmanned zeppelin that would stay up for 10 years at a time, keeping watch on everything below. Clark says, "After that, you'd unzip the bag, and be done." It's still a long way off.

08-01-2007, 01:00 PM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Domestic Spying on Americans Broader Than Known This whole event alone should have the entire Bush cartel in chains somewhere. ------------------------------------------------ White House says spying broader than known Wed Aug 1, 12:28 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration's top intelligence official has acknowledged that a controversial domestic surveillance program was only one part of a much broader spying effort, The Washington Post reported in its Wednesday edition. Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell wrote in a letter that other aspects of the National Security Agency's domestic spying program remain classified, the Post said. "That is the only aspect of the NSA activities that can be discussed publicly because it is the only aspect of those various activities whose existence has been officially acknowledged," McConnell wrote, according to the Post. Bush acknowledged the existence of a program that monitored domestic phone calls and e-mails without court oversight in December 2005. The administration has not confirmed other secret spying efforts reported by news outlets, such as one that searched millions of telephone records. Bush signed an executive order that authorized "a number of ... intelligence activities" following the hijacking attacks of September 11, 2001, McConnell wrote. The warrantless wiretapping program was put under court supervision in January but the administration now wants Congress to allow it to do many of the same activities without a court order. The letter was sent on Tuesday to Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee. The letter was written to defend Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who has been under attack over his testimony to Congress about the warrantless spying program, the Post said.

08-02-2007, 09:44 AM	#5
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	SO i wasn't really paranoid??

08-10-2007, 11:25 AM	#6
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...0456534&pnum=2 Facebook - the CIA conspiracy Wikipedia's IAO page says: "the IAO has the stated mission to gather as much information as possible about everyone, in a centralised location, for easy perusal by the United States government, including (though not limited to) internet activity, credit card purchase histories, airline ticket purchases, car rentals, medical records, educational transcripts, driver's licenses, utility bills, tax returns, and any other available data.". Now the internet conspiracy theorists are citing Facebook as the IAO's new mask. Parts of the IAO's technology round-up included 'human network analysis and behaviour model building engines', which Facebook's massive volume of neatly-targeted data gathering allows for. Facebook's own Terms of use state: "by posting Member Content to any part of the Web site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, reformat, translate, excerpt and distribute such information and content and to prepare derivative works of, or incorpoate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorise sublicenses of the foregoing. Last edited by alkemical; 08-10-2007 at 01:38 PM..

08-13-2007, 12:51 AM	#18
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Giant Robotic Spy Blimp Creeps Forward Giant Robotic Spy Blimp Creeps Forward Imagine a blimp so freakin' huge, you could fit an entire, 1000-foot aircraft carrier inside. And the radar at heart of that monster zeppelin? Well, that would be as big as the 15-story hotel where DARPA, the Pentagon's mad science division, is holding its conference. DARPA first proposed a king-sized, robotic airship, four years ago. The idea was to have the blimp is at nearly 65,000 feet in the sky, spotting enemies up to 180 miles away, and watching out for incoming cruise missiles 350 miles in the distance. During down times, ISIS might even serve as a cell tower in the sky, relaying communications to U.S. troops. It didn't take long, though, to realize that such a ginormous undertaking was going to be tough to pull off -- even for a group was way-out as DARPA. So, instead, the agency refocused its "Integrated Sensor is Structure" (ISIS) blimp effort, looking at component technologies instead: stuff like solar panels, fuel cells, and flexible radar arrays. Fast forward a few years. Now, ISIS program manager Tim Clark says, those components are starting to prove out. Clark set a goal of 400 kilowatt hours per kilogram for the blimp's power structure -- everything from the fuel cells to the solar panels to the cables in between. DARPA-funded researchers are likely to hit 700 kilowatt hours in upcoming tests, he tells DANGER ROOM. "I'm feeling very comfortable. Things are no longer over the horizon. Now it's a manufacturing issue," Clark adds. And one of Pentagon politics. DARPA wants to build a prototype, third-scale model of the blimp -- one that'll be a mere football-field long, and stay up for 90 days at a time. But it needs one of the armed services to help pay for it. So far, no takers. "We're not going foward without service participation. But that level of participation is TBD," Clark says. Assuming they can get, say, the Air Force to play ball -- and assuming that first prototype works -- the eventual goal is to get a carrier-sized, unmanned zeppelin that would stay up for 10 years at a time, keeping watch on everything below. Clark says, "After that, you'd unzip the bag, and be done." It's still a long way off.

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08-01-2007, 01:50 PM	#2
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	So now we find out this administration has been doing more illegal activities than reported earlier. Where does it end?

08-01-2007, 03:31 PM	#3
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,044	Mike McConnell needs to keep his trap shut about this. We don't know how many people there are in America who want to do harm to other Americans.

08-10-2007, 06:21 PM	#15
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	According to the President, he had the right to perform these without court approval out of the Patriot Act to monitor out bound communications to foreign countries. If that the case, I don't have a problem with it. the only way I would begin to have a problem with this is if it was done for politcal gain.