War tax - The Orange Mane

Spider · 08-01-2007, 09:30 AM

how about 50.00 a month per person ?

Rohirrim · 08-01-2007, 09:39 AM

I think it's a great idea. Once Americans get presented a bill for Bush's malfeasance, I'm sure impeachment will really get rolling along.

Crushaholic · 08-01-2007, 09:44 AM

We do have the money. We just need to take it from somewhere else. Ending federal subsidies for the arts is a good place to start...

Spider · 08-01-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I think it's a great idea. Once Americans get presented a bill for Bush's malfeasance, I'm sure impeachment will really get rolling along.

count me in

TailgateNut · 08-01-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We do have the money. We just need to take it from somewhere else. Ending federal subsidies for the arts is a good place to start...

You f-ing people are incorrigable!

Support the war "RAHRAHRAH", but don't want to pay for it! Yeah, you support the troops.

Spider · 08-01-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We do have the money. We just need to take it from somewhere else. Ending federal subsidies for the arts is a good place to start...

I see so instead of paying , we should take monies that was already promised to others ...... so a small part has to pay the price for other peoples screw ups .....

W*GS · 08-01-2007, 09:54 AM

Why not line items for each deduction from one's paycheck that shows where your money is going to feed the maw of the State?

It would help everyone appreciate just how much entitlement programs and direct subsidy are really costing us.

Spider · 08-01-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Why not line items for each deduction from one's paycheck that shows where your money is going to feed the maw of the State?

It would help everyone appreciate just how much entitlement programs and direct subsidy are really costing us.

and this will pay for the war how ?

Crushaholic · 08-01-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

You f-ing people are incorrigable!

Support the war "RAHRAHRAH", but don't want to pay for it! Yeah, you support the troops.

I never said "don't pay for it". In fact, I said "take the money from somewhere else". The government is bloated and it's past time to look and see where we are wasting money. The old joke about $500 for toilet seats would be funny if it wasn't so pathetically true...

Bronco_Beerslug · 08-01-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We do have the money. We just need to take it from somewhere else. Ending federal subsidies for the arts is a good place to start...

Really? Where exactly do we "pinch" over 1.5 trillion dollars?

Crushaholic · 08-01-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Really? Where exactly do we "pinch" over 1.5 trillion dollars?

In my ideal world, a top to bottom review of the expenditures of the federal goverment is in order. That will never happen, but I can dream...

Bronco_Beerslug · 08-01-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Why not line items for each deduction from one's paycheck that shows where your money is going to feed the maw of the State?
It would help everyone appreciate just how much entitlement programs and direct subsidy are really costing us.

That's not a plausible idea but having companies and corporations post the actual numbers in employee areas would be a good idea.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Where Your Income Tax Money Really Goes FY 2008

Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,387 billion
MILITARY: 51% and $1,228 billion
NON-MILITARY: 49% and $1,159 billion

HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED

Current military” includes Dept. of Defense ($585 billion), the military portion from other departments ($122 billion), and an unbudgetted estimate of supplemental appropriations ($20 billion). “Past military” represents veterans’ benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.*

These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the “Analytical Perspectives” book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2008. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don’t pay) by April 17, 2007, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller.

*Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated. For further explanation, please see box at bottom of page.

Spider · 08-01-2007, 10:28 AM

BB ...... thats why I asked W*GS how his Idea was going to pay for the war .........over half of our taxes now go to the military , witch i am fine with , but the results of Walter reed , and the poor armoring of our soldiers has me a tad bit pissed off .......

Bronco_Beerslug · 08-01-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

BB ...... thats why I asked W*GS how his Idea was going to pay for the war .........over half of our taxes now go to the military , witch i am fine with , but the results of Walter reed , and the poor armoring of our soldiers has me a tad bit pissed off .......

Well, I'm not fine with our military spending, it's way out of line. We could and should cut it in half at least. We need no standing armies to invade countries or to defend the U.S.

Spider · 08-01-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Well, I'm not fine with our military spending, it's way out of line. We could and should cut it in half at least. We need no standing armies to invade countries or to defend the U.S.

7 years ago I would agree , but now that the toxic texan pissed off everyone ,except for the pope , I think we do need a standing army , but I wouldnt scream to loud about cutting a ¼ from the budget

Hotrod · 08-01-2007, 10:37 AM

I think the Dems should pay for this war. Its their anti-war ralleys that are causing us to lose this war on terror. If they would stop being so damn yellow we could take off the gloves and take the fight to the enemy.

Spider · 08-01-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

I think the Dems should pay for this war. Its their anti-war ralleys that are causing us to lose this war on terror. If they would stop being so damn yellow we could take off the gloves and take the fight to the enemy.

and they say you can live in the high country in thin air with no side effects

Hotrod · 08-01-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

and they say you can live in the high country in thin air with no side effects

But they hate our freedoms. What would you rather fight them here then there. Besides the war phase of the Iraq mission has been over for years now. We are spreading the seeds of democracy around the globe while ridding ourselves of WMD.

On to Iran I say.

RaiderH8r · 08-01-2007, 11:44 AM

Fine, what the hell. Why not? Democrats are already moving on a multitude of tax increases, what's one more in the mix?

How about taxing every working citizen a $50 minimum/yr. now matter how little they make?

Denver Crush · 08-01-2007, 12:06 PM

If I had it my way I wouldnt pay my taxes at all. I never voted to go to any ****ing war. Let the ****ing top 2 percent who got the bush tax cut pay for this ****ing thing. They still support it.

RaiderH8r · 08-01-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Denver Crush

If I had it my way I wouldnt pay my taxes at all. I never voted to go to any ****ing war. Let the ****ing top 2 percent who got the bush tax cut pay for this ****ing thing. They still support it.

And I've never used welfare or medicaid/medicare and I'll never see a cent of social security but I'm still expected to pay for that sheeit aren't I?

Denver Crush · 08-01-2007, 12:22 PM

Some dont want universalized health care, I dont want rogue president war tax.

Bronco Bob · 08-01-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

how about 50.00 a month per person ?

What ever happened to War Bonds? How about running some newsreels
at The Simpsons movie encouraging people to buy War Bonds.

Bronco Bob · 08-01-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

We do have the money. We just need to take it from somewhere else. Ending federal subsidies for the arts is a good place to start...

Yeah, right, because we are spending $billions a month to fund the "Piss Jesus" artist.

W*GS · 08-01-2007, 12:39 PM

"warresisters.org" is full of crap. They arbitrarily manipulate numbers to suit their "argument".

Their comment:

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We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated.

is just stupid. "If there had been no military spending"? C'mon!

08-01-2007, 09:30 AM	#1
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	War tax how about 50.00 a month per person ?

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Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	If I had it my way I wouldnt pay my taxes at all. I never voted to go to any **ing war. Let the ing top 2 percent who got the bush tax cut pay for this *ing thing. They still support it. Last edited by Denver Crush; 08-01-2007 at 12:10 PM..*

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08-01-2007, 09:39 AM	#2
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,099	I think it's a great idea. Once Americans get presented a bill for Bush's malfeasance, I'm sure impeachment will really get rolling along.

08-01-2007, 09:44 AM	#3
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,076	We do have the money. We just need to take it from somewhere else. Ending federal subsidies for the arts is a good place to start...

08-01-2007, 09:54 AM	#7
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,601	Why not line items for each deduction from one's paycheck that shows where your money is going to feed the maw of the State? It would help everyone appreciate just how much entitlement programs and direct subsidy are really costing us.

08-01-2007, 10:28 AM	#13
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	BB ...... thats why I asked W*GS how his Idea was going to pay for the war .........over half of our taxes now go to the military , witch i am fine with , but the results of Walter reed , and the poor armoring of our soldiers has me a tad bit pissed off .......

08-01-2007, 10:37 AM	#16
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	I think the Dems should pay for this war. Its their anti-war ralleys that are causing us to lose this war on terror. If they would stop being so damn yellow we could take off the gloves and take the fight to the enemy.

08-01-2007, 11:44 AM	#19
RaiderH8r In The Bag Don't worry. Nobody's listening. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Meth Alley Posts: 9,953 Adopt-a-Bronco: MethWolfe	Fine, what the hell. Why not? Democrats are already moving on a multitude of tax increases, what's one more in the mix? How about taxing every working citizen a $50 minimum/yr. now matter how little they make?

08-01-2007, 12:22 PM	#22
Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	Some dont want universalized health care, I dont want rogue president war tax.