In the Wake of the Surge - The Orange Mane

Chupacabra · 07-24-2007, 06:18 PM

Interesting bit of reporting by independent journalist Michael J. Totten.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001497.html

cutthemdown · 07-24-2007, 06:42 PM

Iraq has been a tough tough situation. Little pockets are starting to show improvement though but unfortunatly that really doesn't make the big picture look all that more rosey. It is good to read though that in some areas things are getting better.

TheDave · 07-24-2007, 08:10 PM

Good read... I don't doubt that there are pockets of stability. I wish more areas were like this and we could start bringing our kids home.

baja · 07-24-2007, 10:53 PM

There was a guest on Hardball today saying this is true there are areas that are under control but he went on the say due to a shortage of troops we were now fighting to regain control over areas that we had secured in the past but due do a lack of sufficient troop numbers they were lost when the troops were needed elsewhere. he went on to say that we had 90 % of our ground troops committed in Iraq. He basically said we are in an un-winnable situation. He also made the point that while our troops are making incredible sacrifices for the Iraqi people the Iraqi government is currently on vacation.

Sooner or later we will have to get out. All we are doing is prolonging the inevitable.

mhgaffney · 07-24-2007, 11:21 PM

The so called surge is merely the prelude to the next world war.

God how I wish I were wrong.

mhgaffney · 07-24-2007, 11:33 PM

Patrick Cockburn has been reporting from inside Iraq since the US invasion started in 2003. Unlike other reporters -- he does not stay in the "Green Zone." He travels around the country. Cockburn offers a more accurate read about the big picture. Check out his almost daily articles at Counterpunch.

Here's his latest:

http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick07242007.html

gunns · 07-25-2007, 12:23 AM

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while our troops are making incredible sacrifices for the Iraqi people the Iraqi government is currently on vacation.

That's the whole thing right there.

Play2win · 07-25-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gunns

That's the whole thing right there.

They (iraqi government) were following Dubya's lead...

baja · 07-25-2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gunns

That's the whole thing right there.

Actually I should have said their vacation starts next week and is a month long. So much for meeting those mid Sept. goals...

The Lone Bolt · 07-25-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mhgaffney

The so called surge is merely the prelude to the next world war.

God how I wish I were wrong.

Don't worry, you are.

TailgateNut · 07-25-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Don't worry, you are.

Do you have proof?

The Lone Bolt · 07-25-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Do you have proof?

Well, I suppose it's possible but I find it very hard to believe we could conquer and hold both Iran and Iraq simultaneously when we can't even hold Iraq. The unlikeliness of that scenario suggests that an attack on Iran is not imminent.

And I'm still waiting for the "imminent" attack on Syria that the extreme left were screaming about a few years ago.

mhgaffney · 07-25-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

Well, I suppose it's possible but I find it very hard to believe we could conquer and hold both Iran and Iraq simultaneously when we can't even hold Iraq. The unlikeliness of that scenario suggests that an attack on Iran is not imminent.

And I'm still waiting for the "imminent" attack on Syria that the extreme left were screaming about a few years ago.

The Bush administration has put the screws to Syria -- so far -- without a war. Why waste bombs on a state that has no oil?

But if the Gulf explodes -- for example, if Israel attacks Iran to destroy its nuclear program -- all bets are off. Then we will see war across the region -- from Lebanon to Afghanistan -- possibly also involving Pakistan and the Gulf oil states.

If nukes are used we will suddenly find ourselves in very different kind of world. It will be chaotic -- and extremely dangerous.

W*GS · 07-25-2007, 01:44 PM

Of course the Jews will use their nukes, right, gaffney?

It will be all their fault, right?

Rigs11 · 07-25-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Of course the Jews will use their nukes, right, gaffney?

It will be all their fault, right?

What is it with you and the jews?Why are you such an admirer/defender?

defenseman · 07-25-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Of course the Jews will use their nukes, right, gaffney?

It will be all their fault, right?

To much of the world, absolutely. If they go off, it will be blamed on them. On the same token, someone has to take that little SOB out of the picture. I'm guessing if iran gives them a reason, they'll level Tehran and all hell breaks loose. Could get interesting over the next few years..dman

W*GS · 07-25-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

What is it with you and the jews?Why are you such an admirer/defender?

I'm a Jewpublican, remember?

And you're a neo-Nazi.

Rigs11 · 07-26-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

I'm a Jewpublican, remember?

And you're a neo-Nazi.

Yeah we both know the labels we've given each other, but seriously. Answer the question please.

epicSocialism4tw · 07-26-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Good read... I don't doubt that there are pockets of stability. I wish more areas were like this and we could start bringing our kids home.

Ist that the truth. This is what we should all be hoping for.

mhgaffney · 07-26-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

To much of the world, absolutely. If they go off, it will be blamed on them. On the same token, someone has to take that little SOB out of the picture. I'm guessing if iran gives them a reason, they'll level Tehran and all hell breaks loose. Could get interesting over the next few years..dman

If they go off?

So if it happens -- we are supposed to turn the other cheek -- and accept the apologies of Israeli PM Olmert for liquidating a few million Iranians, including old men, women, children and infants? Not to mention the unborn and the devastation of the environment.

"If they go off" it won't be some accident. It will be a conscious decision by Israel to engage in genocide. As Mordechai Vanunu has stated: "These are weapons of mass slaughter and have no defensive use."

W*GS · 07-26-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

Yeah we both know the labels we've given each other, but seriously. Answer the question please.

Why do you hate Jews so much?

Rigs11 · 07-26-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Why do you hate Jews so much?

Gee how did i know you would wuss out and answer a question with one?forget it...

jhat01 · 07-27-2007, 02:04 AM

[QUOTE=mhgaffney;1657969]If they go off?

So if it happens -- we are supposed to turn the other cheek -- and accept the apologies of Israeli PM Olmert for liquidating a few million Iranians, including old men, women, children and infants? Not to mention the unborn and the devastation of the environment.

It doesn't have to be nuclear...They level that place using strictly conventional weapons. That being said, we should leave them all to themselves and worry about our business at home.

baja · 07-27-2007, 02:08 AM

[QUOTE=jhat01;1658351]

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Originally Posted by mhgaffney

If they go off?

So if it happens -- we are supposed to turn the other cheek -- and accept the apologies of Israeli PM Olmert for liquidating a few million Iranians, including old men, women, children and infants? Not to mention the unborn and the devastation of the environment.

It doesn't have to be nuclear...They level that place using strictly conventional weapons. That being said, we should leave them all to themselves and worry about our business at home.

ya mean now that we got them adequately nuked up

alkemical · 07-27-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

Gee how did i know you would wuss out and answer a question with one?forget it...

Because it's the easy way out.

07-24-2007, 06:18 PM	#1
Chupacabra Goat Sucker Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 565	In the Wake of the Surge Interesting bit of reporting by independent journalist Michael J. Totten. http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001497.html

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07-24-2007, 06:42 PM	#2
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,447	Iraq has been a tough tough situation. Little pockets are starting to show improvement though but unfortunatly that really doesn't make the big picture look all that more rosey. It is good to read though that in some areas things are getting better.

07-24-2007, 08:10 PM	#3
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Good read... I don't doubt that there are pockets of stability. I wish more areas were like this and we could start bringing our kids home.

07-24-2007, 10:53 PM	#4
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,862 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	There was a guest on Hardball today saying this is true there are areas that are under control but he went on the say due to a shortage of troops we were now fighting to regain control over areas that we had secured in the past but due do a lack of sufficient troop numbers they were lost when the troops were needed elsewhere. he went on to say that we had 90 % of our ground troops committed in Iraq. He basically said we are in an un-winnable situation. He also made the point that while our troops are making incredible sacrifices for the Iraqi people the Iraqi government is currently on vacation. Sooner or later we will have to get out. All we are doing is prolonging the inevitable.

07-24-2007, 11:21 PM	#5
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,764	The so called surge is merely the prelude to the next world war. God how I wish I were wrong.

07-24-2007, 11:33 PM	#6
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,764	Patrick Cockburn has been reporting from inside Iraq since the US invasion started in 2003. Unlike other reporters -- he does not stay in the "Green Zone." He travels around the country. Cockburn offers a more accurate read about the big picture. Check out his almost daily articles at Counterpunch. Here's his latest: http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick07242007.html

07-25-2007, 01:44 PM	#14
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,509	Of course the Jews will use their nukes, right, gaffney? It will be all their fault, right?

07-27-2007, 02:04 AM	#23
jhat01 Ring of Famer Knuckle Dragging Homer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Langley, VA Posts: 1,799	[QUOTE=mhgaffney;1657969]If they go off? So if it happens -- we are supposed to turn the other cheek -- and accept the apologies of Israeli PM Olmert for liquidating a few million Iranians, including old men, women, children and infants? Not to mention the unborn and the devastation of the environment. It doesn't have to be nuclear...They level that place using strictly conventional weapons. That being said, we should leave them all to themselves and worry about our business at home.