5 Pathetic Drafts

[55CrushEm]

More useless draft information, and I'm sure already covered.....but this still astounds me.....

In the 5 drafts we held from 2000 through 2004, we drafted a total of 44 players.....yet only FIVE remain with the team. You could say FOUR, actually, because I counted Jeff Shoate, cause technically he's still on the roster, but won't make this year's team, most likely.

2000
Rd 1 (15) - Deltha O'Neal
Rd 2 (40) - Ian Gold
Rd 2 (45) - Kennoy Kennedy
Rd 3 (70) - Chris Cole
Rd 4 (101) - Jerry Johnson
Rd 4 (112) - Cooper Carlisle
Rd 5 (154) - Muneer Moore
Rd 6 (189) - Mike Anderson
Rd 7 (214) - Jarious Jackson
Rd 7 (246) - Leroy Fields

2001
Rd 1 (24) - Willie Middlebrooks
Rd 2 (51) - Paul Toviessi
Rd 3 (87) - Reggie Hayward
Rd 4 (113) - Ben Hamilton
Rd 4 (120) - Nick Harris
Rd 6 (190) - Kevin Kasper

2002
Rd 1 (19) - Ashley Lelie
Rd 2 (51) - Clinton Portis
Rd 3 (96) - Dorsett Davis
Rd 4 (131) - Sam Brandon
Rd 5 (144) - Herb Haygood
Rd 6 (191) - Jeb Putzier
Rd 7 (228) - Chris Young
Rd 7 (231) - Monsanto Pope

2003
Rd 1 (20) - George Foster
Rd 2 (51) - Terry Pierce
Rd 4 (108) - Quentin Griffin
Rd 4 (114) - Nick Eason
Rd 4 (128) - Bryant McNeal
Rd 5 (157) - Ben Claxton
Rd 5 (158) - Adrian Madise
Rd 6 (194) - Aaron Hunt
Rd 7 (227) - Clint Mitchell
Rd 7 (235) - Ahmaad Galloway

2004
Rd 1 (17) - D.J. Williams
Rd 2 (41) - Tatum Bell
Rd 2 (54) - Darius Watts
Rd 3 (85) - Jeremy LeSueur
Rd 5 (152) - Jeff Shoate
Rd 6 (171) - Triandos Luke
Rd 6 (190) - Josh Sewell
Rd 7 (225) - Matt Mauck
Rd 7 (247) - Brandon Miree
Rd 7 (250) - Bradlee Van Pelt


Pretty pathetic.....and nobody from the 2003 draft left.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

More useless draft information, and I'm sure already covered.....but this still astounds me.....

In the 5 drafts we held from 2000 through 2004, we drafted a total of 44 players.....yet only FIVE remain with the team. You could say FOUR, actually, because I counted Jeff Shoate, cause technically he's still on the roster, but won't make this year's team, most likely.

2000
Rd 1 (15) - Deltha O'Neal
Rd 2 (40) - Ian Gold
Rd 2 (45) - Kennoy Kennedy
Rd 3 (70) - Chris Cole
Rd 4 (101) - Jerry Johnson
Rd 4 (112) - Cooper Carlisle
Rd 5 (154) - Muneer Moore
Rd 6 (189) - Mike Anderson
Rd 7 (214) - Jarious Jackson
Rd 7 (246) - Leroy Fields

2001
Rd 1 (24) - Willie Middlebrooks
Rd 2 (51) - Paul Toviessi
Rd 3 (87) - Reggie Hayward
Rd 4 (113) - Ben Hamilton
Rd 4 (120) - Nick Harris
Rd 6 (190) - Kevin Kasper

2002
Rd 1 (19) - Ashley Lelie
Rd 2 (51) - Clinton Portis
Rd 3 (96) - Dorsett Davis
Rd 4 (131) - Sam Brandon
Rd 5 (144) - Herb Haygood
Rd 6 (191) - Jeb Putzier
Rd 7 (228) - Chris Young
Rd 7 (231) - Monsanto Pope

2003
Rd 1 (20) - George Foster
Rd 2 (51) - Terry Pierce
Rd 4 (108) - Quentin Griffin
Rd 4 (114) - Nick Eason
Rd 4 (128) - Bryant McNeal
Rd 5 (157) - Ben Claxton
Rd 5 (158) - Adrian Madise
Rd 6 (194) - Aaron Hunt
Rd 7 (227) - Clint Mitchell
Rd 7 (235) - Ahmaad Galloway

2004
Rd 1 (17) - D.J. Williams
Rd 2 (41) - Tatum Bell
Rd 2 (54) - Darius Watts
Rd 3 (85) - Jeremy LeSueur
Rd 5 (152) - Jeff Shoate
Rd 6 (171) - Triandos Luke
Rd 6 (190) - Josh Sewell
Rd 7 (225) - Matt Mauck
Rd 7 (247) - Brandon Miree
Rd 7 (250) - Bradlee Van Pelt


Pretty pathetic.....and nobody from the 2003 draft left.

You don't judge drafts by who is left on the team. You judge them by who is still playing in the NFL. Just because a guy isn't with the team that drafted him doesn't mean he was a bad selection; It just didn't work out.

[bronco militia]

I bet you would find that most teams have similar succes/failure over the same time period

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

Pretty pathetic.....and nobody from the 2003 draft left.

you should count the players that are still in the league....

[NYBronc]

Also take into consideration who we we have for trading some of these guys. Portis for Bailey plus Tatum who then we moved with Foster for Bly.

Plus we moved up 7 spots to get D.J. for trading Deltha.

[NFLBRONCO]

I think you have to factor in where we draft as well. Could we draft better of course those drafts were awful and we still pick no higher then 19 without a trade up.

[55CrushEm]

Originally Posted by Atlas

You don't judge drafts by who is left on the team. You judge them by who is still playing in the NFL. Just because a guy isn't with the team that drafted him doesn't mean he was a bad selection; It just didn't work out.

I understand that. So my "blanket" statement wasn't quite fair. However, take a look at the 2003 draft....besides Big George, who's left in the league from that.

And yes, I understand we now have Champ instead of Portis....etc., etc.

I guess I would just expect a LITTLE more retainage from our drafts than 4 out of 44 players.

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

I bet you would find that most teams have similar succes/failure over the same time period

Your 100% correct

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

I understand that. So my "blanket" statement wasn't quite fair. However, take a look at the 2003 draft....besides Big George, who's left in the league from that.

And yes, I understand we now have Champ instead of Portis....etc., etc.

I guess I would just expect a LITTLE more retainage from our drafts than 4 out of 44 players.

2003 wasn't a good year for most teams......just look at the 1st round and you tell me who you'd rather have? I'd be surprised if you found more than 3 players

[ICON]

yes but the last 2 drafts ....... very nice
I think Jim Bates is licking his chops when it comes too DJ and how great he can become, DJ will be this year what zack use to be for the fins.

[Atlas]

Who here is going to say Mike Anderson, Reggie Hayward, Clinton Portis, Kenoy Kenedy and Cooper Carlisle were bad draft picks?

[55CrushEm]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

2003 wasn't a good year for most teams......just look at the 1st round and you tell me who you'd rather have? I'd be surprised if you found more than 3 players

2003 draft? Yeah, you're right....I was just looking at it.....not much there.

Only notables seem to be Carson Palmer, Terrell Suggs, Ty Warren, Troy Palamalu....but they were taken before we picked.....

Guys taken AFTER George Foster, that I would have rather had (hindsight is so nice)....are Willis McGahee (maybe), Dallas Clark, Larry Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Cory Redding....that's about it.

Seriously, you're right......very weak draft, now looking back.

[WoodMan]

Originally Posted by Atlas

You don't judge drafts by who is left on the team. You judge them by who is still playing in the NFL. Just because a guy isn't with the team that drafted him doesn't mean he was a bad selection; It just didn't work out.

I have to agree with you. Mike Anderson made a huge contribution to the Broncos while he was with them. 1500 yards as a Rookie. Several very solid seasons after that. Played where he was asked without making a big stink about it, a real team player.They just chose to not pay him and he moved onto the Ratbirds. This story plays over and over again throughout the NFL.

[55CrushEm]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Who here is going to say Mike Anderson, Reggie Hayward, Clinton Portis, Kenoy Kenedy and Cooper Carlisle were bad draft picks?

I stand corrected......those were wonderful drafts....

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

I stand corrected......those were wonderful drafts....

HAyward, Kenedy, Carlsile and portis are all going to be starting this year, just not for the Broncos.

Some people just have unreal expectations.

[400HZ]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

2003 wasn't a good year for most teams......just look at the 1st round and you tell me who you'd rather have? I'd be surprised if you found more than 3 players

Indeed. Even the teams that normally draft well did badly in 2003.

[NFLBRONCO]

Funny thing about drafting is when a team gets a stud QB every draft afterwards look alot better.

[OrangeShadow]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

you should count the players that are still in the league....

or that foster helped us aquire dre bly

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

or that foster helped us aquire dre bly

God Bless Matt Millen

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Atlas

You don't judge drafts by who is left on the team. You judge them by who is still playing in the NFL. Just because a guy isn't with the team that drafted him doesn't mean he was a bad selection; It just didn't work out.

Yes. Many of those players are starters or at least still playing on other teams. Also the '03 draft sucked across the board. It was just a terrible draft class.

[eddie mac]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

2000
Rd 1 (15) - Deltha O'Neal-bust
Rd 2 (40) - Ian Gold-excellent draft pick
Rd 2 (45) - Kennoy Kennedy-decent
Rd 3 (70) - Chris Cole-bust
Rd 4 (101) - Jerry Johnson-irrelevant
Rd 4 (112) - Cooper Carlisle-excellent
Rd 5 (154) - Muneer Moore
Rd 6 (189) - Mike Anderson-excellent
Rd 7 (214) - Jarious Jackson
Rd 7 (246) - Leroy Fields

2001
Rd 1 (24) - Willie Middlebrooks-injury bust
Rd 2 (51) - Paul Toviessi-injury bust
Rd 3 (87) - Reggie Hayward-excellent
Rd 4 (113) - Ben Hamilton-excellent
Rd 4 (120) - Nick Harris-irrelevant
Rd 6 (190) - Kevin Kasper-crap

2002
Rd 1 (19) - Ashley Lelie-bust
Rd 2 (51) - Clinton Portis-excellent
Rd 3 (96) - Dorsett Davis-bust
Rd 4 (131) - Sam Brandon-very good
Rd 5 (144) - Herb Haygood-irrelevant
Rd 6 (191) - Jeb Putzier-very good
Rd 7 (228) - Chris Young-irrelevant
Rd 7 (231) - Monsanto Pope-decent

2003
Rd 1 (20) - George Foster-bust
Rd 2 (51) - Terry Pierce-bust
Rd 4 (108) - Quentin Griffin-crap
Rd 4 (114) - Nick Eason-crap
Rd 4 (128) - Bryant McNeal-crap
Rd 5 (157) - Ben Claxton-crap
Rd 5 (158) - Adrian Madise-crap
Rd 6 (194) - Aaron Hunt-as above
Rd 7 (227) - Clint Mitchell-as above
Rd 7 (235) - Ahmaad Galloway-as above

2004
Rd 1 (17) - D.J. Williams-excellent
Rd 2 (41) - Tatum Bell-average
Rd 2 (54) - Darius Watts-crap
Rd 3 (85) - Jeremy LeSueur-crap
Rd 5 (152) - Jeff Shoate-crap
Rd 6 (171) - Triandos Luke-crap
Rd 6 (190) - Josh Sewell-crap
Rd 7 (225) - Matt Mauck-crap
Rd 7 (247) - Brandon Miree-crap
Rd 7 (250) - Bradlee Van Pelt-crap

7 excellent picks and a few good ones. Not great drafts but drafting has never been Shanahan's strong point anyway. FA and trading is where he's always been great and picking up street FA's such as Rod Smith, Matt Lepsis etc. We traded for 3 of the best 5 players on our team using some of those picks mentioned above.

[Garcia Bronco]

I would love to see the percentages against the league. Like how many people draft in year x are still with the NFL, because I think some of those whole draft classes were weak.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Gotta love people's expectations for 1st round picks, especially when only 1/3 re-sign with their original team. Lelie and O'Neal are not busts.

[rovolution]

Originally Posted by eddie mac

7 excellent picks and a few good ones. Not great drafts but drafting has never been Shanahan's strong point anyway. FA and trading is where he's always been great and picking up street FA's such as Rod Smith, Matt Lepsis etc. We traded for 3 of the best 5 players on our team using some of those picks mentioned above.

Wade Phillips picked up Rod in 1994, not Mike (Shanny was in SanFran shattering records w/ Young and Rice).

[ZachKC]

What ever happened to Watts?