OU must forfeit wins from 2005 - The Orange Mane

SureShot · 07-11-2007, 03:44 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2933008

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must forfeit its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the forfeitures, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-27.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010. Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case. Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility.

Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

Popcorn Sutton · 07-11-2007, 03:47 PM

Holy Crap!

Man-Goblin · 07-11-2007, 03:47 PM

Jens1893 · 07-11-2007, 03:54 PM

Anyone think a school like Oregon State would have got off with the same punishment?

ICON · 07-11-2007, 03:56 PM

Garcia Bronco · 07-11-2007, 04:12 PM

Wow...kind of a joke IMO.

Evenrude · 07-11-2007, 04:14 PM

Pretty mild punishment actually.... they still get thier tv exposure and bowl games.... could have been much worse.

KCbroncos · 07-11-2007, 04:18 PM

Surprised they don't have to give their two lost scholarships to USC.

SoonerBronco · 07-11-2007, 04:18 PM

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....

"National Communists Against Athletes"

TheChamp24 · 07-11-2007, 04:19 PM

Screw you Bomar and Quinn!
I do like how OU kicked them off the team though instead of just suspending them for a couple games and let them still be at OU.

TheChamp24 · 07-11-2007, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....

"National Communists Against Athletes"

I wasn't going to bring that stuff up, but yeah, I agree there

Master___Pain · 07-11-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....

"National Communists Against Athletes"

You got a freaking slap on the wrist, get over it.

Garcia Bronco · 07-11-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....

"National Communists Against Athletes"

My thing is...what does this actully mean? Not a whole bunch....I bet the teams they actually beat on the field don't all of a sudden feel like they won because they know they didn't. So this all boils down to some symbolic BS almost like a non-binding resolution. further more....does OU have to give back their winner split to the Holiday Bowl....does the Big 12 have to give up their share of it? Further more..how is the University responsible for the out of school activities of two players?

El Guapo · 07-11-2007, 04:25 PM

If it were my school we would have been ripped of our ability to even play. how weak is this?

TheReverend · 07-11-2007, 04:33 PM

NCAA is so gay.

Jens1893 · 07-11-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....

"National Communists Against Athletes"

Smith took 300 bucks from a donor to pay a cell phone bill, Bomar and the other guy got paid like 7k or 8k each for work they didn´t do and your star RB had an extended joyride in a car he couldn´t afford. Agree about the Bush story, but the Troy Smith story is something else IMO.

The punishment for OU is inconsistent. It´s too harsh when you compare it to the fact that USC probably doesn´t have to answer for the Reggie Bush thing, but it´s too light when you compare it to the punishment Colorado got for undercharging walk ons on meals (100k fine, loss of one scholarship for 3 years).

Having to forfeit the 05 season is a slap on the wrist and bs as it doesn´t matter anyway. The games were played, everyone knows how they ended and just having to erase them from the record book is bureaucratic crap. Nobody cares.

SoonerBronco · 07-11-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

You got a freaking slap on the wrist, get over it.

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

Jens1893 · 07-11-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick_7

If it were my school we would have been ripped of our ability to even play. how weak is this?

Bingo. The whole thing is BS any way you look at it.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 07-11-2007, 04:40 PM

They only forfiet two scholarships for two years when guys were getting paid under the table? Didn't CU just lose two scharships for three years for accidentally undercharging a few volleyball players for their lunches?

Jens1893 · 07-11-2007, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

It did happen to CU and in comparison I think we got hit harder than you did.

Master___Pain · 07-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

Um, it did happen to the Buffs and I am over it.

CU placed on probation

SoonerBronco · 07-11-2007, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens1893

Smith took 300 bucks from a donor to pay a cell phone bill, Bomar and the other guy got paid like 7k or 8k each for work they didn´t do and your star RB had an extended joyride in a car he couldn´t afford. Agree about the Bush story, but the Troy Smith story is something else IMO.

The punishment for OU is inconsistent. It´s too harsh when you compare it to the fact that USC probably doesn´t have to answer for the Reggie Bush thing, but it´s too light when you compare it to the punishment Colorado got for undercharging walk ons on meals (100k fine, loss of one scholarship for 3 years).

Having to forfeit the 05 season is a slap on the wrist and bs as it doesn´t matter anyway. The games were played, everyone knows how they ended and just having to erase them from the record book is bureaucratic crap. Nobody cares.

bureaucracy sucks...The fact is that OU vacated the 2 schollys vacated by Quin and Bomar and imposed recruiting restrictions before this was ever even investigated by the NCAA...

SoonerBronco · 07-11-2007, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Um, it did happen to the Buffs and I am over it.

CU placed on probation

good lord it just happend! I'm sure you stewed over it for a while...

Jens1893 · 07-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

bureaucracy sucks...The fact is that OU vacated the 2 schollys vacated by Quin and Bomar and imposed recruiting restrictions before this was ever even investigated by the NCAA...

so basically you complain about having to erase one of your worst seasons in recent memory from the record books?

Billy Clyde Puckett · 07-11-2007, 04:56 PM

One of the schools I went to, got 5 years probation, three years no bowls and two year no TV for two violations. 1. A local tux shop did not charge a player for a tux rental so he could be in his friend's wedding. 2. An asst. coach gave a player a ride in his car to his hometown for spring vacation. The coach was going to the same town to visit relatives.

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SureShot Te-believer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Paradise Divide Posts: 5,996 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Russell	OU must forfeit wins from 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2933008 OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must forfeit its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years. The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership. The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the forfeitures, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-27. Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010. Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011. Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team. "Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program. On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation. The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations. During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case. Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season. Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff. Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff. The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits. Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

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Evenrude Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,276 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	Pretty mild punishment actually.... they still get thier tv exposure and bowl games.... could have been much worse.

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SoonerBronco Rocket Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 1,978 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wahoo McDaniel	So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC? Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished... The Boz had it right a long time ago.... "National Communists Against Athletes"

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TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,874	Screw you Bomar and Quinn! I do like how OU kicked them off the team though instead of just suspending them for a couple games and let them still be at OU.

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Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	One of the schools I went to, got 5 years probation, three years no bowls and two year no TV for two violations. 1. A local tux shop did not charge a player for a tux rental so he could be in his friend's wedding. 2. An asst. coach gave a player a ride in his car to his hometown for spring vacation. The coach was going to the same town to visit relatives.