Report: Vick House Raided Again by Feds

[cousinal11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2927560

Bust this punk.

[Florida_Bronco]

This should get interesting.

[cousinal11]

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6753469

This site has some footage of the search.

[Beantown Bronco]

but.....but.....footsteps told us nothing would be accomplished by further searching......

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

If there is half as much evidence as we've been led to believe...bloody carpet, dog fighting instruments, receipts for syringes, dozens of scarred and malnourished dogs, half the state of Virginia eager to testify of their personal knowledge of his nefarious deeds...it would hardly make much difference if something were burried deep in the woods.

The point is, the cops have easily had enough time to do their homework.

[Paladin]

I hope they nail the scumbag, if the evidence support his involvement in dogfighting. Should be locked up for a good, long while.....

[Dukes]

I just hope that if there is enough evidence, the Feds have enough balls to prosecute Vick the same way they would Joe Shmoe

[Garcia Bronco]

I hope he's innocent of it, but at doesn't sound like he is.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

but.....but.....footsteps told us nothing would be accomplished by further searching......

I agree with his post. They should have their homework done by now. It doesn't sound like they'll have a problem proving there was dog fight on the property, the question is Vick's involvment.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I agree with his post. They should have their homework done by now. It doesn't sound like they'll have a problem proving there was dog fight on the property, the question is Vick's involvment.

These things take time....the more you rush, the more you make mistakes and the whole case gets thrown out, especially with a guy like Vick with huge legal resources at his disposal. If they don't cross every T and dot every I, they can kiss this whole thing goodbye; and they know it.

There's a lot going on behind the scenes right now; you can bet on it. The feds already have what appears to be a pretty solid case against "the house" right now. I'm willing to bet they received some new info in the past month that told them it would be worth it to "dig" further.

[Atwater His Ass]

Man, I hope they can get this piece of trash.

[bronco610]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I agree with his post. They should have their homework done by now. It doesn't sound like they'll have a problem proving there was dog fight on the property, the question is Vick's involvment.

Might have to do with the number of charges brought against the offenders. If they find 30 remains could be 30 counts brought against the defendents.
I am no attorney but isnt that the way prosecuters usually work?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27
If there is half as much evidence as we've been led to believe...bloody carpet, dog fighting instruments, receipts for syringes, dozens of scarred and malnourished dogs, half the state of Virginia eager to testify of their personal knowledge of his nefarious deeds...it would hardly make much difference if something were burried deep in the woods.

The point is, the cops have easily had enough time to do their homework.

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

but.....but.....footsteps told us nothing would be accomplished by further searching......

Eh...no I didn't...because that's not what I said. As my quote proves, I stated they'd had enough time...MORE than enough time to find something....which is true; they have. The initial investigation by the Surrey County Sherrif's office was conducted on April 25th...that was 73 days ago. Then there was another followup visit by federal investigators on June 7th...29 days ago. So we have 2 1/2 months since the first visit and 1 month since the feds sent their guys in...exactly how much time is needed to find something they didn't find the first time...or the second time? This is now the 3rd visit. If they find nothing now, it's entirely possible it's been removed, so at what point do they decide that they've paid this place enough visits? Four times? Five? A dozen?

Forensics guys investigating murder scenes don't take this long.

Read the article...even the Surrey County DA says the Feds are simply pursuing a "parallel investigation" and piling on because it's Michael Vick. At some point, it's time to either **** or get off the pot.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Eh...no I didn't...because that's not what I said. As my quote proves, I stated they'd had enough time...MORE than enough time to find something....which is true; they have. The initial investigation by the Surrey County Sherrif's office was conducted on April 25th...that was 73 days ago. Then there was another followup visit by federal investigators on June 7th...29 days ago. So we have 2 1/2 months since the first visit and 1 month since the feds sent their guys in...exactly how much time is needed to find something they didn't find the first time...or the second time? This is now the 3rd visit. If they find nothing now, it's entirely possible it's been removed, so at what point do they decide that they've paid this place enough visits? Four times? Five? A dozen? .

I expected better of you than that, footsteps. You should know that in this investigation, time isn't as important as getting it right. Yes, they have searched the premises twice. And they found plenty. They did NOT however have a warrant to do any digging in the prior searches, NOR did they have enough evidence to do so before those searches were conducted. Now, after conducting those searches and gathering more evidence over the last few weeks, they DID get enough evidence to pull the "dig" warrant.

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Forensics guys investigating murder scenes don't take this long.

Sure they do. Depends on the case and where they are searching. Naturally, some places cannot be sealed for long periods, so they have to get things done more quickly....but forensic investigations can easily last months. Someone has been watching too much tv.

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Read the article...even the Surrey County DA says the Feds are simply pursuing a "parallel investigation" and piling on because it's Michael Vick. At some point, it's time to either **** or get off the pot.

Wow. Just wow. First of all, your argument here is misleading. First, the DA said they were piling on. Then, after speaking with them he backtracked, acknowledged that they were conducting a parallel, but separate investigation. When he said it was parallel he did not mean anything negative, but you are implying that it did.

But regardless, let's bring the DA into this....his credibility is about as solid as Nifrong's these days....

[Popps]

The pile-on continues, huh?

Don' chee y'all know how we be doin' thangs down here in da south!?!?!!!

****in' hicks.

I know this is high profile and they want to make sure they get this right, but they need to put the hammer down on this ****er.

[bfoflcommish]

uhh ohhh updated to show what they have found.....well now they have all that...time for the lesser involved to start squeling soon.....

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Popps

The pile-on continues, huh?

Don' chee y'all know how we be doin' thangs down here in da south!?!?!!!

****in' hicks.

.

Wrong State Popps....well...in some parts you might be right...but not the area that this is occurring in.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I expected better of you than that, footsteps. You should know that in this investigation, time isn't as important as getting it right. Yes, they have searched the premises twice. And they found plenty. They did NOT however have a warrant to do any digging in the prior searches, NOR did they have enough evidence to do so before those searches were conducted. Now, after conducting those searches and gathering more evidence over the last few weeks, they DID get enough evidence to pull the "dig" warrant.

Where are you getting all that? It sounds like pure speculation. In fact the article specifically states that the Surrey County DA's office DID have enough to get a warrant to dig back in late May:

Surry County officials had secured a search warrant in late May based on an informant's information to look for as many as 30 dog carcasses buried on the property.

So the Feds could have easily accepted the evidence they had for their own warrant at the same time. What you're telling me is that it took 29 days to get a warrant to dig when the local prosecutor already had one to do just that? That's how long the Feds have been absent since their last visit. None of that makes sense.

Second, even if it could be shown they DIDN'T have enough evidence to get that warrant at the time, and since they've not been back again until now...what new evidence could they possibly have NOW that they didn't have 29 days ago which entitles them to a warrant? Answer...none. No matter how you slice it, the Feds have had ample time long before now to do this but didn't.

Sure they do. Depends on the case and where they are searching. Naturally, some places cannot be sealed for long periods, so they have to get things done more quickly....but forensic investigations can easily last months. Someone has been watching too much tv.

I don't watch TV...more to the point, can you imagine police forensics investigators on a murder scene allowing suspects access to the crime scene for a month between visits? That's sheer nonsense. Cops routinely seal off crime scenes under investigation. Suppose there WAS something there Vick or somebody else wanted to dispose of? Don't you think they've had ample opportunity to do so by now? I mean if you give the perps a month's worth of unfettered access after you left the first time don't you think anyone with even a 10 cent brain can figure out how to eliminate evidence?

Wow. Just wow. First of all, your argument here is misleading. First, the DA said they were piling on. Then, after speaking with them he backtracked, acknowledged that they were conducting a parallel, but separate investigation. When he said it was parallel he did not mean anything negative, but you are implying that it did.

There's nothing missleading about what I said. Here's the exact quote:

At the time, Poindexter expressed surprise at why the federal government was involved.

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"

A day later, "They launched a separate, independent federal investigation," Poindexter said of the government, which has had a representative involved in the local probe all along.

"We are just pursuing parallel investigations."

It's crystal clear what he meant. The Fed's had their own guy...the "representative involved in the local probe all along"...obviously his remarks regarding their motives were meant in a negative light. I don't understand why you think otherwise.

But regardless, let's bring the DA into this....his credibility is about as solid as Nifrong's these days....

Really? Why is that? Nifong lost his credibility for hiding evidence from the defense and making inappropriate comments to the press before the case even went to court. This guy's done nothing but maintain a public position of neutrality, even going out of his way to maintain that he was witholding judgement pending the investigation, and if you're accusing him of deliberately failing to investigate because of who Vick is there's no evidence of that either. It says he didn't execute the warrant because of how it was worded. We haven't seen it so we don't know what it said. Maybe it didn't offer them the kind of access he wanted, or perhaps he thought it might be overturned on appeal based on some technicality...we don't have any idea what the story is. If it WAS a viable warrant why didn't the Feds use it themselves 29 days ago? They had an investigator there all along so they could have launched their own digging expedition anytime they wished if they had access to the same evidence. If the warrant was good the feds could have used it...if it was bad they've had an entire month in the meantime to get their own.

Who's running this show...FEMA?

[crowebomber]

Just got this off of ESPN.com. It looks like the idiot might skate because they don't have evidence directly linking him. That's the scoop according to Mortensen. If he gets off because of lack of evidence, I hope that Kharma follows him to the football field and the rest of his life.

"Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said.

The law enforcement authorities have privately told league and team officials that at least three people are expected to be indicted but the identities of those individuals were unknown. "

[Bronco_Beerslug]

ESPN just reported federal authorities informed Falcon owner Arthur Blank, no charges likely to be filed against Vick.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Hmmm...guess there are two primary possibilities then; 1) he wasn't involved to begin with, or 2) the long wait between visits to collect evidence gave him ample time to dispose of evidence.

What a shock.

[elsid13]

Why would the FEDS tell the Alt Falcons anything right now in opening and on going investigation

[Play2win]

They'll get him for Tax Evasion...

[Paladin]

Al Capone style prosecution.......

[mattbeymvp]

Originally Posted by crowebomber

Just got this off of ESPN.com. It looks like the idiot might skate because they don't have evidence directly linking him. That's the scoop according to Mortensen. If he gets off because of lack of evidence, I hope that Kharma follows him to the football field and the rest of his life.

"Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said.

The law enforcement authorities have privately told league and team officials that at least three people are expected to be indicted but the identities of those individuals were unknown. "

Oh yes, the greatest tradition in American justice, if there's no evidence the person must be guilty and is "skating" on a technicality.

MAYBE THERES NO EVIDENCE BECAUSE HE DIDNT COMMIT A CRIME?

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Popps]

A lot of eyewitness were chirping a while back. Suddenly they're quiet? Gosh... I wonder what happened.