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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287643,00.html
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 Sixty years ago, a light aircraft was flying over the Cascade Mountains in Washington state, at a height of around 10,000 feet. Suddenly, a brilliant flash of light illuminated the aircraft. Visibility was good, and as pilot Kenneth Arnold scanned the sky to find the source of the light, he saw a group of nine shiny metallic objects flying information. He estimated their speed as being around 1,600 mph — nearly three times faster than the top speed of any jet aircraft at the time. Soon, similar reports began to come in from all over America. This wasn't just the world's first UFO sighting — this was the birth of a phenomenon, one that still exercises an extraordinary fascination. Military authorities issued a press release, which began: "The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc." The headlines screamed: "Flying Disc captured by Air Force". Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed its story and claimed the object it had first thought was a "flying disc" was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch. The key witness was U.S. Army Maj. Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who had gone to the ranch to recover the wreckage. He described the metal as being wafer-thin but incredibly tough. It was as light as balsa wood, but couldn't be cut or burned. These and similar accounts of the incident have largely been dismissed by all except the most dedicated believers. Astonishing new twist But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery. Lt. Walter Haut was the public-relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Col. William Blanchard. Haut died in December 2005, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death. Last week, the text was released. It asserts that the weather-balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar. He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies. He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about alien bodies. Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins. When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered. But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies. UFO pieces handed around Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended with base commander Col. William Blanchard and the Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force, Gen. Roger Ramey. Haut states that at this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the material. He says the press release was issued because locals were already aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen. The plan was that an announcement acknowledging the first site, which had been discovered by a farmer, would divert attention from the second and more important location. The clean-up operation Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months afterward military personnel scoured both crash sites searching for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing all signs that anything unusual had occurred. This ties in with claims made by locals that debris collected as souvenirs was seized by the military. Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to "Building 84" — one of the hangars at Roswell — and showed him the craft itself. He describes a metallic egg-shaped object around 12-15 feet in length and around 6 feet wide. He said he saw no windows, wings, tail, landing gear or any other feature. Haut "saw the alien bodies" He saw two bodies on the floor, partially covered by a tarpaulin. They are described in his statement as about 4 feet tall, with disproportionately large heads. Towards the end of the affidavit, Haut concludes: "I am convinced that what I personally observed was some kind of craft and its crew from outer space." What's particularly interesting about Walter Haut is that in the many interviews he gave before his death, he played down his role and made no such claims. Had he been seeking publicity, he would surely have spoken about the craft and the bodies. Did he fear ridicule, or was the affidavit a sort of deathbed confession from someone who had been part of a cover-up, but who had stayed loyal to the end? The U.S. government came under huge pressure on Roswell in the '90s. In July 1994, in response to an inquiry from the General Accounting Office, the office of the secretary of the Air Force published a report, "The Roswell Report: Fact Versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert." Weather balloon "cover story" The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top-secret project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment into the upper atmosphere, listening for evidence of Soviet nuclear tests. The statements concerning a crashed weather balloon had been a cover story, they admitted, but not to hide the truth about extraterrestrials. A second U.S. Air Force report concluded that the claims bodies were recovered were generated by people who had seen crash-test dummies dropped from the balloons. Skeptics, of course, will dismiss the testimony left by Haut. After all, fascinating though it is, it's just a story. There's no proof. But if nothing else, this latest revelation shows that, 60 years on, this mystery endures. |
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The affidavit:
DATE: December 26, 2002 WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan (1) My name is Walter G. Haut (2) I was born on June 2, 1922 (3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203 (4) I am retired. (5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town. (6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate. (7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more. (8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris. (9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished. (10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch. (11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out." (12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible. (13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height. (14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies. (15) I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive). (16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again. (17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office. (18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence. (19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space. (20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: Walter G. Haut December 26, 2002 Signature witnessed by: Chris Xxxxxxx |
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I believe there is something out there, not everyone could be lying.
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Just hanging out.
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The fact that aliens have not contacted us proves there is intelligent life in the universe.
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6-37, Raider fans.
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There's too much universe and too much age in it for there not to be more life than our world out there. I do however question whether said life would come all the way here and smash our crops into weird shapes, steal our cows' balls and drill holes in people's teeth, though. Personally I suspect that any visitors would behave relatively logically if they did come. By that I mean if they wanted to take our stuff they'd take it, if they wanted to make contact then they would and if they crashed one of their planes they'd come get it.
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Cheeky Bastards
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Michael Moore is an alien.
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The military (and the government in general) has long been known for it's coverups. I don't know what we can truly say was out there but the "bodies" are definitely a deciding factor in saying it was of outer space origin. I don't doubt that there's something out there but I don't believe a majority of those that are reported. Every time you see a crazy ol' fella on TV talking about being probed in a spacecraft I think it hurts the credibility of those who truly have seen something in the sky. They're out there, they've been seen, but the majority is still crazy people with too much time on their hands.
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I mean, one person see's a grey alien with big eyes, it is shown on the news, now everyone starts seeing the same alien. Personally, I dont think the Asgard would bother. (Rep for anyone that gets it). |
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Angling in the Deep
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Life....on tap.
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Here are some pictures "claimed" to be of the real debris found at the site.
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Just hanging out.
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Aliens meet at the car dealership to negotiate new wheels and free hats.
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You are a pizza burn...
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3,631 - WAKE UP!!!!
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There is no such thing as Aliens. The Universe is probably not more than 20,000 years old anyway.
The Universe, science, and facts are just God's way to test your faith. If you don't accept Jesus Christ as the son of God and realize that God intentionally left behind all of this so called "evidence" to see who really deserves to ascend into heaven and to bathe in his light for eternity in bliss, then I can only pray to sweet baby Jesus that Hell isn't as bad as the bible says it is. P.S. John Elway imo is Michael the archangel sent down by god to defeat the evil demonic forces of the Raider Nation. |
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Just hanging out.
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I know a guy whose investment advisor was from Roswell N.M. Unfortunatly, early retirement is no longer an option for him.
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I'm not saying i believe it i'm not saying i don't but there is definitly something going on there they don't want ANYONE to know about except the people the work there!! From what i've seen on TV shows on like the Discovery channel or whatever channel it was..you can barely get within a mile or so of the perimiter without someone knowing about it..either way IMHO something is going on down there!!
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Good analysis but if they crashed an aircraft they obviously come from a long ways away assuming they don't use a wormhole then they would not have a chance to come and get it. Hell, it might take these little fellas 2 years to get to Earth from whatever galaxy they are from. Surviving on nothing but pills of nutirents and Tang. What's weird is that in the 80's and early 90's people saw UFO reports all the time. Now you don't hear about any. Is that because everone in the 80's thought it was funny to pull a prank, but now it's not funny or have the aleins just plain lost interest in us. Maybe they saw all they needed to see and realized that we are a species that really can't be trusted to make contact with? I would like to think that there is a higher life form out there waiting for us to grow up so they can make contact with us. Of cours ethe otherside of the story is that they are watching the American fattening us up before they make "contact" ![]() Last edited by Atlas; 07-04-2007 at 02:44 AM.. |
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Draft Defense Early&Often
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One of my first experiences into religion wa swhen some lady at church told me that the stars were put into the sky by god just for us people to look at. Even at 10 years old I knew that was BS.
What do the religious people here think? I know I watched contact and other movies where religious people would go out of their way to disapprove of any contact with aliens. If there are aliens does that mean there is no God? It definately goes against what the bible says right? (I have no clue) |
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