OPEC makes threats against biofueld development - The Orange Mane

yavoon · 06-25-2007, 08:52 PM

http://priceofoil.org/2007/06/06/ope...t-on-biofuels/

"Opec has warned western countries that their efforts to develop biofuels as an alternative energy source to combat climate change risks driving the price of oil “through the roof”."

alkemical · 06-25-2007, 10:36 PM

I thought competition lowered prices?

Garcia Bronco · 06-25-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

I thought competition lowered prices?

Not against a cartel. Good thing we have an army over there.

alkemical · 06-26-2007, 09:29 AM

You wouldn't be inferring that by causing turmoil in the ME and ousting people in power, we ccan create enough strife that we deal with war lords, selling oil cheaper than opec - because they need to fund their little enclave do ya?

The Lone Bolt · 06-26-2007, 12:20 PM

While I deplore their effort to monopolize the fuel industry, I agree that biofuel is not the future. I think the future is in EVs.

Garcia Bronco · 06-26-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

You wouldn't be inferring that by causing turmoil in the ME and ousting people in power, we ccan create enough strife that we deal with war lords, selling oil cheaper than opec - because they need to fund their little enclave do ya?

No...I think we should seize all their oil and slpit it amongst China, India, and ourselves.

alkemical · 06-26-2007, 12:39 PM

yeah, like that can be agreed upon.

Denver Crush · 06-26-2007, 01:31 PM

**** opec

cutthemdown · 06-26-2007, 02:52 PM

Opec is just worried they won't make as much money if we have alternative fuels. We have to soldier foward and not worry about their threats. Atlernative fuels have to be developed.

defenseman · 06-26-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Opec is just worried they won't make as much money if we have alternative fuels. We have to soldier foward and not worry about their threats. Atlernative fuels have to be developed.

Nuclear needs to be developed as well......dman

Garcia Bronco · 06-26-2007, 05:18 PM

the problem with biofuel..and in this case...e85..it's driving the cost of other goods up...and really it's less efficent and ultimately will cost us more than gas on that alone.

Garcia Bronco · 06-26-2007, 07:25 PM

Since OPEC is a cartel...it would seem the senate has deemed them illegal

6/19/07 Agreed to Roll call 215: On the Amendment
Kohl Amdt. No. 1519; To amend the Sherman Act to make oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal.

Party Yes No Not Voting
Democratic 44 2 3
Independent 2 0 0
Republican 24 21 3
Total 70 23 6

NYBronco · 06-26-2007, 07:30 PM

Is OPEC really that stupid?

With all their money they could / should be on the leading edge of any and all alternative fuels. By doing this they could even actually help themselves in stabilizing the region and maybe bring some peace.

But what the hell am I thinking?

Bronco Bob · 06-26-2007, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBronco

Is OPEC really that stupid?

With all their money they could / should be on the leading edge of any and all alternative fuels. By doing this they could even actually help themselves in stabilizing the region and maybe bring some peace.

But what the hell am I thinking?

Hard to grow corn in the middle of a desert. Oil is all they have going for them,
otherwise they'd just be back to herding camels like they did for the previous
hundreds of years.

alkemical · 06-26-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Since OPEC is a cartel...it would seem the senate has deemed them illegal

6/19/07 Agreed to Roll call 215: On the Amendment
Kohl Amdt. No. 1519; To amend the Sherman Act to make oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal.

Party Yes No Not Voting
Democratic 44 2 3
Independent 2 0 0
Republican 24 21 3
Total 70 23 6

Does this mean we are going into iran?

Bronco Bob · 06-26-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Does this mean we are going into iran?

Why not Saudi Arabia? They are also part of OPEC.

alkemical · 06-26-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Why not Saudi Arabia? They are also part of OPEC.

I figured that Iran probably has some aluminum tubes or some gay-sars or something.

colosilverado · 06-27-2007, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

the problem with biofuel..and in this case...e85..it's driving the cost of other goods up...and really it's less efficent and ultimately will cost us more than gas on that alone.

Well, do we really want to reduce our dependence on oil, and more specifically, oil from the ME? It isn't going to come cheap....

NYBronco · 06-27-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Hard to grow corn in the middle of a desert. Oil is all they have going for them,
otherwise they'd just be back to herding camels like they did for the previous
hundreds of years.

Alternative fuels are not limited to corn.

They could be the uncontested hydrogen fuel cell developer.

Denver Crush · 06-27-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by colosilverado

Well, do we really want to reduce our dependence on oil, and more specifically, oil from the ME? It isn't going to come cheap....

are you serious? Where do you think the terrorists live. This is the single biggest reason for why these people hate us. They dont hate us because of freedom like the "President" wants us to believe. They hate us because we have military bases in Saudi Arabia that are there solely to protect "our" oil.

The Lone Bolt · 06-27-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Denver Crush

are you serious? Where do you think the terrorists live. This is the single biggest reason for why these people hate us. They dont hate us because of freedom like the "President" wants us to believe. They hate us because we have military bases in Saudi Arabia that are there solely to protect "our" oil.

We don't have military bases is Saudi Arabia. We pulled our troops out. Does this mean we are no longer controlling the oil there?

yavoon · 06-27-2007, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

We don't have military bases is Saudi Arabia. We pulled out troops out. Does this mean we are no longer controlling the oil there?

hardly, the jews that control america control the oil just fine. and by control I mean sell it to the world market at market prices. EVIL JEWS!

Denver Crush · 06-27-2007, 03:00 PM

We did pull out, in 2003. This was happening long before then. The Saudi royals are in bed with our government and have been for a long time.

NYBronco · 06-27-2007, 07:57 PM

The main reason why gas mileage on our cars has not changed in the past 35 years.

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yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	OPEC makes threats against biofueld development http://priceofoil.org/2007/06/06/ope...t-on-biofuels/ "Opec has warned western countries that their efforts to develop biofuels as an alternative energy source to combat climate change risks driving the price of oil “through the roof”."

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Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Since OPEC is a cartel...it would seem the senate has deemed them illegal 6/19/07 Agreed to Roll call 215: On the Amendment Kohl Amdt. No. 1519; To amend the Sherman Act to make oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. Party Yes No Not Voting Democratic 44 2 3 Independent 2 0 0 Republican 24 21 3 Total 70 23 6 Last edited by Garcia Bronco; 06-26-2007 at 07:41 PM..

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06-25-2007, 10:36 PM	#2
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	I thought competition lowered prices?

06-26-2007, 09:29 AM	#4
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	You wouldn't be inferring that by causing turmoil in the ME and ousting people in power, we ccan create enough strife that we deal with war lords, selling oil cheaper than opec - because they need to fund their little enclave do ya?

06-26-2007, 12:20 PM	#5
The Lone Bolt Ring of Famer GO CHARGERS!!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Boredom Capital of the Universe (Everett, WA) Posts: 2,867	While I deplore their effort to monopolize the fuel industry, I agree that biofuel is not the future. I think the future is in EVs.

06-26-2007, 12:39 PM	#7
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	yeah, like that can be agreed upon.

06-26-2007, 01:31 PM	#8
Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	**** opec

06-26-2007, 02:52 PM	#9
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,430	Opec is just worried they won't make as much money if we have alternative fuels. We have to soldier foward and not worry about their threats. Atlernative fuels have to be developed.

06-26-2007, 05:18 PM	#11
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	the problem with biofuel..and in this case...e85..it's driving the cost of other goods up...and really it's less efficent and ultimately will cost us more than gas on that alone.

06-26-2007, 07:30 PM	#13
NYBronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,994	Is OPEC really that stupid? With all their money they could / should be on the leading edge of any and all alternative fuels. By doing this they could even actually help themselves in stabilizing the region and maybe bring some peace. But what the hell am I thinking?

06-27-2007, 03:00 PM	#23
Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	We did pull out, in 2003. This was happening long before then. The Saudi royals are in bed with our government and have been for a long time.

06-27-2007, 07:57 PM	#24
NYBronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,994	The main reason why gas mileage on our cars has not changed in the past 35 years.