Not very damn proud now,We have to do something about Bush

[Spider]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Seymou...raib_0617.html
Seymour Hersh reveals shocking new details of Abu Ghraib; 'Father and son forced to do acts together'
John Byrne and David Edwards
Published: Sunday June 17, 2007

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In a Saturday interview with CNN's Late Edition, veteran New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh revealed new details about the coverup of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. His new piece in the magazine can be read here.

"The notion... that our leader, Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense and his aides, they all went and testified in May after the stories about Abu Ghraib became public that 'oh my God, we just didn't know about, we didn't realize how serious it was,' is simply not true."

Blitzer asks Hersh about a quote given by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba said in a May 6, 2004 meeting with Rumsfeld, then-Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and top brass at the Pentagon.

"I described the naked detainee lying on the wet floor, handcuffed, with an interrogator shoving things up his rectum and said, 'That's not abuse, that's torture,'" Taguba said. "There was quiet."

The following day, May 7, Rumsfeld testified before the House Armed Services Committee.

"It breaks our hearts that in fact someone didn't say wait, look, this is terrible," Rumsfeld said. "We need to do something to manage -- the legal part of these proceeding along fine. What wasn't proceeding along fine was that the president didn't know, and you didn't know and I didn't know and as a result, somebody leaked a secret report to the press and there they are."

Hersh scoffs at Rumsfeld's response.

"It's sort of ridiculous. Everybody at the top, by the middle of January, knew," Hersh said. "The only question I raise at the end of the article, is what the president know, when?"

Blitzer reads the White House response.

"The President addressed this fully," a White House statement says. "He first saw the pictures on TV and was upset by them. He called for the investigation to go forward. He found the actions abhorrent and urged the Defense Department to get to the bottom of the matter."

"It's not when they saw the photographs," Hersh stresses. "It's when they learned how serious it was. They were told in memos what the photographs showed... They showed other, more sexual abuse than we knew, sodomy of women prisons by American soldiers, a father and his son forced to do acts together. There was more stuff [than] was made public. You didn't need a photograph if you had a verbal description of it.

"It's quite implicit," he added. "They knew very quickly this was bad."

[Garcia Bronco]

call me when they cut off somebody's head

[bendog]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11151823

Listen to this. She says the US is the cause of all the violence, we need to get out now, we are stomping on their soverignty, Sadr is a peaceful protector, and the only thing that can prevent civil war is Sharia law. And she's elected their their ****ing parliment that won't make the compromises to end this thing.

That's what the damn dems should be forcing onto the national news at night. That's what the soldiers are fighting for. Bushii is insane. They'll never form a representative democracy with a western orientaiton. Saddam WAS better. Though leave that last part out. People aren't quite ready for that reality yet.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

call me when they cut off somebody's head

Having Sex with your ole man .. one is just as bad as the other ...........

[footstepsfrom#27]

What else would you expect from the people who brought us this guy?

[Crushaholic]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Having Sex with your ole man .. one is just as bad as the other ...........

The difference is that there is a better chance this father and son took up arms against the United States vs. innocent journalists merely covering the conflict and literally lose their head.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

The difference is that there is a better chance this father and son took up arms against the United States vs. innocent journalists merely covering the conflict and literally lose their head.

Oh I see , so it is ok to force Dad and son to have intercourse cause they may have took up arms against us .........Now all we need is a Militant wing of NAMBLA

[Spider]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

What else would you expect from the people who brought us this guy?

Doing a heckva job Brownie

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

call me when they cut off somebody's head

Why? So you can defend it?

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Having Sex with your ole man .. one is just as bad as the other ...........

No Doubt, they might as well cut of my f-ing head! If not I'll commit Hari Kari!

[Spider]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

No Doubt, they might as well cut of my f-ing head! If not I'll commit Hari Kari!

in GB haste to protect Bush , I dont think he read the whole thing , and if GB did read it all, then he has some deep rooted Issues

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

in GB haste to protect Bush , I dont think he read the whole thing , and if GB did read it all, then he has some deep rooted Issues

Regardless, He has deep rooted issues! ...and he's a board moderator?!

It's like having a blind man managing the rifle range!

[Crushaholic]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Oh I see , so it is ok to force Dad and son to have intercourse cause they may have took up arms against us .........Now all we need is a Militant wing of NAMBLA

You're right in that this isn't the thread to talk about the legitimacy of our torture tactics. They appear to be toying with them, not extracting information out of them.

[codeman]

This thread is just plain stupid.

Why not just say you hate Bush and get it over with. Next election we can talk about what that president is doing to ruin the country and world.

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by codeman

This thread is just plain stupid.

Why not just say you hate Bush and get it over with. Next election we can talk about what that president is doing to ruin the country and world.

Beat it noob. If you're gonna hang out in the war forum at least have the intelligence to post something other than the tired blather that we hate bush.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by codeman

This thread is just plain stupid.

Why not just say you hate Bush and get it over with. Next election we can talk about what that president is doing to ruin the country and world.

Better yet, give us your reasons why you are still in love with Bush.
What exactly is he doing to benefit you or the country?

[codeman]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

Better yet, give us your reasons why you are still in love with Bush.
What exactly is he doing to benefit you or the country?

Never said anything to lead you in that direction. The concept of this whole thread has no basis of reality, it's just a hate thread.

[codeman]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Beat it noob. If you're gonna hang out in the war forum at least have the intelligence to post something other than the tired blather that we hate bush.

Dude, that's all it is. Take a look.

Anyone, any party, that runs for president in today's world will have much the same acceptance rating as Bush. With the advent of the internet there are many whacko nutjobs that tend to go overboard with their hate/dislike for the person in office, especially if they are of the opposing party.

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by codeman

Dude, that's all it is. Take a look.

Anyone, any party, that runs for president in today's world will have much the same acceptance rating as Bush. With the advent of the internet there are many whacko nutjobs that tend to go overboard with their hate/dislike for the person in office, especially if they are of the opposing party.

Bull shiat. Bush takes the cake, and I doubt that we as a country will ever vote without being informed as the republicans did in 04.
There will still be quite a few un-informed citizens who will vote Party, or Name recognition, or "i just like his looks", or "flip the coin".......etc...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by codeman

This thread is just plain stupid.

Why not just say you hate Bush and get it over with. Next election we can talk about what that president is doing to ruin the country and world.

........ talk about slow ............ everyone already knows I hate Bush and why , why dont you tell us why you still believe in him ....... no need be to shy , we all already know you are pretty simple

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by codeman

Never said anything to lead you in that direction. The concept of this whole thread has no basis of reality, it's just a hate thread.

So in other words we should love everyone, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam,
bin Laden, no matter how badly they screw it up for people?

[mhgaffney]

Most of the Iraqis we tortured at Abu Graib were just ordinary people who got swept up by chance -- just like most of the so called terrorists we arrested in Afghanistan and sent to Gitmo in Cuba.

Nearly all were innocent victims -- but you can be sure by now we've radicalized them because of how we treated them. The policy came down from the top: To extract information by any means necessary, meaning torture.

The responsibility for this obscenity rests with Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney. We must hold them accountable.

If we fail to do so the world will hold the American people responsible. And the world will be right to do so.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

in GB haste to protect Bush , I dont think he read the whole thing , and if GB did read it all, then he has some deep rooted Issues

It's as if defending Dim Son no matter what is some sort of knee-jerk he can't control.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Beat it noob. If you're gonna hang out in the war forum at least have the intelligence to post something other than the tired blather that we hate bush.

Not to mention bring some kind of reading comprehension game.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Beat it noob. If you're gonna hang out in the war forum at least have the intelligence to post something other than the tired blather that we hate bush.

Actually the newbie got it right. That's all you people do is bash Bush. What will you do when you don't have Bush to bash? Maybe go out and actually try and make the world a better place maybe? Probably not you will find someone new to blame everything on.