NBA offseason thread - The Orange Mane

Clockwork Orange · 06-16-2007, 03:22 AM

With the Finals in the rearview mirror and the draft & free agency right around the corner, time to fire up an offseason thread again.

I'll start it with a couple of trades that have gone down and a possible coaching hire.

T-Wolves trade Mike James & Justin Reed to Houston for Juwan Howard.

Pistons trade Carlos Delfino to Toronto for two 2nd round picks.

Larry Brown interested in Sacramento head coaching job.

RhymesayersDU · 06-16-2007, 03:25 AM

Nuggets have no draft picks, and JR Smith was thrown through a car.

Everybody get your party hats on!

Clockwork Orange · 06-16-2007, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Nuggets have no draft picks, and JR Smith was thrown through a car.

Everybody get your party hats on!

You forgot that Dermarr Johnson got tazered by police outside a club, too. Whee!

ludo21 · 06-16-2007, 09:40 AM

Marion trade talks continue, but in the end I doubt he ends up anywhere.

SpringStein · 06-16-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

You forgot that Dermarr Johnson got tazered by police outside a club, too. Whee!

I thought I read he was "lightly" tazered. That shouldn't count.

27atwater · 06-16-2007, 09:54 AM

Sa Antonio has I think pick 28 and a top 5 pick in the 2nd round. IF they wanted to use those...and maybe Brent Barry, realisticaly how high could they move up in the draft?

W/o Barry, could they get to pick 24?

With him, could they get to 19 or 20?

Let me know what ya think, I'm not too keen on the "value" of non-lottery draft picks.

RhymesayersDU · 06-16-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

You forgot that Dermarr Johnson got tazered by police outside a club, too. Whee!

That was the most action he'd seen in a year, I feel kind of happy for him.

Nuggets4 · 06-16-2007, 11:13 AM

Sounds like the Nugs are already in discussions on a few moves. I'm willing to guarantee that Najera is gone.

RhymesayersDU · 06-16-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Sounds like the Nugs are already in discussions on a few moves. I'm willing to guarantee that Najera is gone.

Care to elaborate? Any names/rumors/etc?

Nuggets4 · 06-16-2007, 11:22 AM

Only rumor I know is that Billups would love to be a Nug, but not enough to take the mid-level so that's not going to happen.

We're dumping salary.

RhymesayersDU · 06-16-2007, 11:24 AM

Billups and AI would be un-****-withable.

MechanicalBull · 06-16-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Pistons trade Carlos Delfino to Toronto for two 2nd round picks.

I never have gotten trades involving players for draft picks. Delfino's career avg stats through 3 seasons are 4.4 pts, 3.2 reb, 1.1 assists, 78% from the line in about 14 minutes a game. How is he worth two 2nd round picks?

The other day on PTI or around the horn they were talking about a possible Marion for Rasheed Wallace swap. It will be interesting to see what big names go where like Kobe, Garnett, Kidd, Carter and so on.

Man-Goblin · 06-16-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MechanicalBull

I never have gotten trades involving players for draft picks. Delfino's career avg stats through 3 seasons are 4.4 pts, 3.2 reb, 1.1 assists, 78% from the line in about 14 minutes a game. How is he worth two 2nd round picks?

Because second round picks are pretty much useless in the NBA as well. In fact, once you get out of the lottery it's usually pretty much a crap-shoot.

TheChamp24 · 06-16-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Man-Goblin

Because second round picks are pretty much useless in the NBA as well. In fact, once you get out of the lottery it's usually pretty much a crap-shoot.

Heck, even the lottery picks are crap shoots sometimes.

Clockwork Orange · 06-16-2007, 02:36 PM

Kobe tells Jerry Buss again that he wants to be traded.

Los Broncos · 06-16-2007, 02:41 PM

No way then can trade kobie.

I wanna my pacers get back on track here.

RhymesayersDU · 06-16-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Man-Goblin

Because second round picks are pretty much useless in the NBA as well. In fact, once you get out of the lottery it's usually pretty much a crap-shoot.

I wouldn't go that far. I think a draft in any sport is a crap shoot of sorts. I'd have to look it up, but some real quality gems have been found in the second round, if I'm not mistaken. The focus is on the first round, I agree, but you can find quality late.

CBF1 · 06-16-2007, 02:55 PM

Kobe may not be going anywhere.... But the Lakers HAVE to be busy this offseason. Local talk is Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum for Jermain O'Neal

NFLBRONCO · 06-16-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Only rumor I know is that Billups would love to be a Nug, but not enough to take the mid-level so that's not going to happen.

We're dumping salary.

So I assume Camby is a goner? Any chance we end up with a draft pick? If we are dumping salary no chance of a AI & Camby for Kobe trade, I bet they'd love to dump Kenyon Martin as well.

rovolution · 06-16-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

I wouldn't go that far. I think a draft in any sport is a crap shoot of sorts. I'd have to look it up, but some real quality gems have been found in the second round, if I'm not mistaken. The focus is on the first round, I agree, but you can find quality late.

Manu Ginobli was a 2nd round pick if i recall correctly.

Clockwork Orange · 06-16-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

Manu Ginobli was a 2nd round pick if i recall correctly.

So was Gilbert Arenas.

Man-Goblin · 06-16-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

I wouldn't go that far. I think a draft in any sport is a crap shoot of sorts. I'd have to look it up, but some real quality gems have been found in the second round, if I'm not mistaken. The focus is on the first round, I agree, but you can find quality late.

The percentage is very, very low.

The Spurs getting Parker and Ginoboli at the end of the FIRST round is remarkable. To hit that late twice got them two more championships.

Hell, Kleiza has been a great pick for the Nuggets considering where they got him.

Rascal · 06-16-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuggets4

Only rumor I know is that Billups would love to be a Nug, but not enough to take the mid-level so that's not going to happen.

We're dumping salary.

what salary would we drop?

Hopefully not camby.

rubaiyat · 06-16-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

I wouldn't go that far. I think a draft in any sport is a crap shoot of sorts. I'd have to look it up, but some real quality gems have been found in the second round, if I'm not mistaken. The focus is on the first round, I agree, but you can find quality late.

Boozer/Arenas...heck they have a rule named after them.

Gibson and Millsap this year.

Apparently only Kiki couldn't find anything worthwhile outside the lottery picks.

epicSocialism4tw · 06-16-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Kobe tells Jerry Buss again that he wants to be traded.

It looks like Kobe is fed up.

You could see it in their playoff performances over the last two seasons. They very well could have beaten the Suns a couple of years ago, and Bryant pulled one of the whiniest displays I have ever seen in basketball. He basically pulled a "Pippen" for the entire game 7.

Kobe wants out. The whole deal is quite ridiculous from both sides of the argument.

I gather that the Lakers wont ship him out this season because they would rather sell tickets and put Bryant through another fruitless season than exchange him for very little value. Kobe will either have another star player to take the pressure off of him next season or he will be traded.

06-16-2007, 03:22 AM	#1
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	NBA offseason thread With the Finals in the rearview mirror and the draft & free agency right around the corner, time to fire up an offseason thread again. I'll start it with a couple of trades that have gone down and a possible coaching hire. T-Wolves trade Mike James & Justin Reed to Houston for Juwan Howard. Pistons trade Carlos Delfino to Toronto for two 2nd round picks. Larry Brown interested in Sacramento head coaching job.

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06-16-2007, 03:25 AM	#2
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Nuggets have no draft picks, and JR Smith was thrown through a car. Everybody get your party hats on!

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ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,904 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Marion trade talks continue, but in the end I doubt he ends up anywhere.

06-16-2007, 09:54 AM	#6
27atwater THANK U! sphincter says "what"? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sharon, Pa Posts: 1,594	Sa Antonio has I think pick 28 and a top 5 pick in the 2nd round. IF they wanted to use those...and maybe Brent Barry, realisticaly how high could they move up in the draft? W/o Barry, could they get to pick 24? With him, could they get to 19 or 20? Let me know what ya think, I'm not too keen on the "value" of non-lottery draft picks.

06-16-2007, 11:13 AM	#8
Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	Sounds like the Nugs are already in discussions on a few moves. I'm willing to guarantee that Najera is gone.

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Nuggets4 Requisite Nugs Die-Hard Buffaloes, Buffaloes, Go C-U! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 4,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: Allen Iverson	Only rumor I know is that Billups would love to be a Nug, but not enough to take the mid-level so that's not going to happen. We're dumping salary.

06-16-2007, 11:24 AM	#11
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	Billups and AI would be un-****-withable.

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Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Kobe tells Jerry Buss again that he wants to be traded.

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CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	Kobe may not be going anywhere.... But the Lakers HAVE to be busy this offseason. Local talk is Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum for Jermain O'Neal